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oil changes

cdawncdawn Posts: 1
edited March 2014 in Honda
I recently purchased a new honda accord V6. I have been told by several people that instead of the first oil change at 7000miles (like the owner manual says) I should first change it at 500 miles. Is there any damage in doing that? Why would Honda recommend 7000 miles for the first oil change?
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  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    Go with the dealer and manual (if they concur) on this one!
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Honda uses a special oil....keep in for 7500 miles. It is designed ensure proper break-in of the engine. After the first 7500 miles, then every 3000 miles regular oil changes.
  • vidtechvidtech Posts: 212
    I would dump it at 2500-3000 miles.there will be metal particles,sand from casting and other manufacturing dirt that will be suspended in the oil.Besides,the engine will generally be "broken in" by then.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Metal particles went away in the sixties.

    Keep the oil in for around 3500 miles. It has special additives in it for break in.

    After that, you can either follow the manual, or do it more often like I do. I change mine around 4000 miles.
  • There is no need to change at 500 miles, if there is any sand or metal in the oil the filter would pick it up. I would change at 3000 to 4000 miles, any more than that is asking for trouble in the long run.
  • spokanespokane Posts: 514
    Isell, I have grown to respect your comments and suggestions but I continue to hear conflicting reports from Honda dealers regarding the break-in oil question. None of the shops I have encountered are able to identify this break-in oil. Do you have specs or a Honda P/N for the oil or additive? I do know of several high-mileage Hondas that had the initial oil change at ~500 miles and continue to perform beautifully - of course they may have done just as well if the initial oil had stayed in for 3500 miles.
  • jmsintxjmsintx Posts: 41
    special break-in oil. Modern engines are "broken-in" before they leave the factory. Follow your Honda manual recommendations, or you can change to synthetic oil at 1 mile or 500 or 7000 miles.
    Hope that helps.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    As I understand it, there are additives of some type in the initial oil fill that help with break in. I have no other information.

    Truth is, I doubt if it would make a twit of difference if the initial oil was changed at 500 miles, 2000 miles or 5000 miles!
  • brorjacebrorjace Posts: 588
    I've heard too many reports from dealers (both Honda and Ford, actually) regarding special "break-in" oil for them to be completely false.

    So, jmsintx, I don't think you can definitively say there is no such thing as "break-in" oil. It's not like the dealers are making extra profit from turning away initial service customers.

    For an definitve answer, I'd call the 800 customer service number for American Honda in your owner's manual. If you do, please come back here and tell us what they say.

    I know of some recent brand new Hondas that have had their oil changed very early and they seem to be fine ... but those same people baby their cars and often use synthetic oil. That kind of tretment could easily make up for a somewhat improper "break-in" procedure.

    To be safe, I'd split the difference and leave the factory oil in for 2-3 thousand miles and then change it.

    --- Bror Jace
  • vwracervwracer Posts: 90
    I have heard that factorys install a non-detergent oil for the first fill. Think about it. Why do you need detergent in a 0 mile motor with all new parts?

    When I build a new race motor for my VW, I use the cheapest non-detergent oil I can find. Then change it after the first 5 minuets of running before I even get 1 mile on it.

    I just bought a brand new F250. I will make first oil change at 1500 miles, then every 4000 after that using 5w20 as recommended by Ford.

    Remember the owners manual gives the MAXIMUM oil change intervals. you can change it more often if you wish.
  • jmsintxjmsintx Posts: 41
    is an urban legend. No such oil. Modern engines do not require any sort of break in for ring sealing or any other reason.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Contact the regional Honda Tech Center

    For the East Coast, it's in New Jersey. The regional tech center does the training for the Honda Techs.
  • rbg1rbg1 Posts: 8
    The morning after a 500-mile drive recently (just days after an oil change), I noticed that the oil level in my 2000 Toyota Sienna had dropped very slightly. (Instead of reaching the "full" line on the dipstick, the oil covered about 80% of the "normal" range on the dipstick.) Since I was about to drive another 500 miles, I decided to top up the engine with about 6 ounces of oil. I did this very accurately, and am sure that I didn't overfill the engine. However, to my surprise, I couldn't get an accurate oil level reading for the rest of the trip. The oil was always a few inches above the "full" line on the dipstick, but that portion of the dipstick was only partially covered with oil. No matter how many times I cleaned off the dipstick and rechecked it, I kept seeing oil above the "full" line, but only partially covering this area of the dipstick. I've never seen this before, with any car. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks for your help.
  • vwracervwracer Posts: 90
    As the engine is running, oil is splashed up into the tube in which the dip-stick sets. When you remove dip-stick after running engine some of this oil will contact the dip-stick above the full marks as you pull it out possibly giving you a false reading. When you pull the dip-stick up, the oil on the bottom will adhear to the sides of this tiny tube, so when you put dip-stick back into tube and recheck oil, some of this oil in the tube will get back on the dip-stick. Oil should be checked when engine is cold. Your oil level is where there is full wet oil on both sides of the dip-stick. Also after tearing apart several engines and throwing many dip-sticks into one box then looking at several when I need one to assemble an engine I have seen dip-sticks differ 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch.

    hope this helps.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    He's exactly right. When you keep pulling it out you keep coating the dipstick tube and then the dipstick. I change oil on my son-in-law's Quest and it has a square reading area with a cable dipstick and the ends are bullet shape. Its hard to get a reading on it anytime. I resorted to keeping the dipstick out and then inserting it in the mornind and reading it the first time. Also in the morning to take a reading-read it on the first pull. Then you can confirm the reading on the second insertion. I know this sounds like overkill-but it isn't on some vehicles.

    Does anyone else have this Quest dipstick?? Is it just me who has difficulty with it?
  • hudraheadhudrahead Posts: 169
    I am a "old geezer" that has had over 60, (yes 60), new cars in the past 30 years or so. I ALWAYS change the original oil @ 1000 miles, use the recommended oil thereafter and I have NEVER had a car of ANY make EVER use oil and that includes many with over 100K on the clock before trade-in. More important is how you drive for the first 2000 miles or so. Drive normally,avoid long periods of steady speeds, vary your speed and your new little gem will serve you well. Modern mfg. methods insure engines are so well put together that the term break-in is old hat. heck, I know some family members that just run the crap out of their new cars and they too seem to be ok and not oilburners in the long haul, go figure.

    As to "sand" from the casting process, well, not too many modern mfg. even use sand anymore in the molds. Mostly a plastic is used that vaporizes in the process leaving NO foreign material to clog up the oil galleries etc. Ahhhh, modern technology. The next thing you know they'll be running cars on fuel cells LOL.

    hudrahead :)
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Anybody use synthetics in their car? I've got a 2001 Oldsmobile Intrigue GLS and while I certainly do not abude my car, the 3.5 liter V6 just loves to rev and I'm more than happy to do so. I typically change oil between 3-4K despite the manual stating that the car go over 7500 miles before oil change. Just curious about opinions on synthetics.
  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    Past 10 years, newest is a 2000 Buick GSE SC and last chagne had 12,190 miles on oil. Analysis fine.
    Stuff works

    If you change oil every 3000 miles any ole liquid called oil that meets the SL standard will work.

    Beyond 3000 or so, synthetics
  • I have a 2000 Honda Accord and in the manual it says to change the air filter in the heating & air cond. sytem every two years. It doesn,t explain were it is or how to change it.I do all of my own maintenance, oil changes, trans oil , brake fluid, and anti-freeze changes but I cant locate this filter. This filter must be somewhere in the duct work before the fan air enters the car. If anyone knows kindly fill me in. I would be very thankful. Bill
  • I think all of this oil stuff is hear-say and urban legend. Yes, you may have changed your oil at 500 miles and ran 100+ thousand miles. Im sure there are just as many people that didn't change till 3K that did the same thing. I think may people are being WAY overly cautious about this. I think the break in oil is an urban legend. I just follow the manual. It usually says "first oil change 5000 miles" then, somewhere else, it will say, "if you drive under extreme conditions (which most of us do by their definition), change the oil every 3,000 miles." Any metal etc. in the oil will be picked up by the filter, use your heads, isn't that what the filter is for? Do you think your engine never has another bit of sand or metal in it other than the first 1000 miles?
  • Normally those filters are located underneath the plastic between the hood and the windshield (wiper cowl). I'm not 100% sure about your honda, but that is where I usually find them.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    or hydrocracked oil. Testing indicates that 25% syn blends provide 80 percent of the benefits of synthetic when it comes to wear protection. Costs half as much.

    I have Syn in one car that works very hard, really like it for very cold weather startup, but frankly for the 15--20 degree winter nights, both start well.

    Hydrocracked is essentially a molecular reshaping from crude oil. Not quite as good as pure synthetics, but they are very good on seals (sounds good to me since I have replace seals on 2 cars this year). It also is very good on high temperature protection, and oil consumption. It is also very good at resisting sludge formation.

    Personally for my next change on a car I want to keep for a long time I will put in 3 quarts of Maxlife and 1 quart of synpower and see how that runs in the long term.
  • brorjacebrorjace Posts: 588
    yettibutt,/b> & jmsintx, break-in oil an urban myth?

    No, not unless American Honda was in on it for a while. About a year ago they had the information from all owner’s manuals on their official website and the issue of break-in oil was addressed there in detail. So, it was part of the official Honda policy. Even if they have since changed their practices and policy (I don’t have a brand new Honda), the break-in issue cannot qualify as an “urban myth”.

    Sometime last spring, Honda pulled all this info down. Read into that what you will.

    wwaite1, you are best to post your filter question (dust & pollen filter?) in the Accord threads as that is a vehicle-specific query. This thread is about oil changes in general and the average participant will be unable to help you.

    --- Bror Jace
  • jmsintxjmsintx Posts: 41
    Brorjace, I think that the reason that Honda removed that information, if it were there ( I have not seen that information ) is that "break in oil " is indeed an Urban Legend. There really is no " break in " period for modern, oem engines. Regards.
  • brorjacebrorjace Posts: 588
    "I think that the reason that Honda removed that information, if it were there ... is that 'break in oil' is indeed an Urban Legend."

    So American Honda was in on it? I'm skeptical of things I feel are actual urban legends ... but one thing I never buy into are conspiracy theories.

    --- Bror Jace
  • mwiklemwikle Western New York StatePosts: 62
    Some manufacturers (OEMs) demand special OEM factory fill oils, some OEMs demand special QC & Tests but pretty much use the standard, current PCMO, and some OEMs just take standard PCMO [PCMO=Passenger Car Motor Oil].

    My understanding is most engines are much less sensitive to break-in, in general, than was the case say 20-30 years ago...one could guess that may reduce the need for special oils, but it depends on the individal OEM "design philosophy" execution of course.

    Follow the owners manual is ALWAYS my boring and simple advice.

    FWIW I change at 5K, and have never seen a bad oil analysis (or even close) when I test---which is not that often as with a 5K change testing is a waste. Major brand engine oil is high-tech, and very impressively engineered product, that most oil suppliers sell very inexpensively due to intense competition.

    I am a ChE working in finished lubricant sales for one of the largest multinational energy companies in the world...in other words on this arcane subject I know of what I speak (but not on most other subjects according to my spouse!!!)

    Merritt
    (info and opinions are my own)
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    Does anyone know who makes Walmart's store brand oil?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Quaker State
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
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