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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII



  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    Good post, that's the first one I've seen that says the that the tail gate closed INCREASES MPG!!!

    I've always read that there was no measurable diff in MPG.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    there will be ANY improvement with a hard tonneau. I am not getting it for that sole purpose, and I don't want it to pay for itself. They look very good, and was just looking for any reasons to justify the expense. Thanx
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    I don't think there would be any improvement, possibly a decrease but probably not worth mentioning. The hard ones are rather heavy in the scheme of things.

    If you like the way they look and can afford it, just do it. I did silly stuff like that when I was in college and don't regret it. Memories of having a cool car are worth the few bucks you'll probably never miss. In a few years you won't give a crap about your daily driver, but will have your eye on much more expensive toys and $700 will seem like a joke.
  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    good job guys. proved me wrong. however, on the rangers and other trucks ive had, towing two jet skis or not, i always got more miles per tank when the tailgate was DOWN. most recently, like 340 miles on one tank in my '01 ranger with the gate down. ever since, i was lucky to get even 300 with tailgate up. since gas got cheaper, i stopped doing it. now it's gone, so who cares. im still a NON-believer. ;O)
  • mjbwrtrmjbwrtr Posts: 172
    i believe you. here's why: when someone makes a change like opening the tailgate, for the reason to improve mileage, that person starts to TRY to get the best mileage possible. for instance, you want to prove yourself right (unconsciously). so you take it a little easier on the hills, try not to hit all the lights, etc. and when you get home you say "wow, the tailgate got me an extra mile per gallon." simply put, when youre paying close attention to your mileage it makes you more aware of driving habits and you change them. i have caught myself doing stuff like that too. guess i gave away my psychology studies, huh? lol
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Posts: 301
    Untill someone does some wind tunnel testing,i don't think anyone will know whats better.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897 think we could launch a campaign on ttora site? We've had dynotests that members contributed to :)
  • Imagine that, Tbunder doesn't believe published information that proves him wrong. Are any of us really surprised? All published information says that a Tocoma is better than a Ranger and he doesn't believe that, so why should he believe that the tailgate being down doesn't help the gas mileage. Let's face it, the truth seems to allude this gentleman more often than not. Take care.........Steelman.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    The biggest differences you'll ever find in mpg is during acceleration which would have nothing to do with aerodynamics for the most part. On my diesel Ram I can switch the computer over to give me constant mpg data. I can get 4mpg giving it full throttle, 7mpg giving it normal throttle, or 10mpg going very light on the throttle. Once up and running, it will stabalize on flat roads around 23mpg until I exceed 55mph. Those are all empty numbers. Once I hit a 10,000# trailer, I can't accelerate and get more than 2mpg. But anyway, just lightening up your foot will make the biggest change in economy.

    When I drive my wifes car I'm usually frustrated for the first half-hour because her transmission has learned her light-footed style and doesn't like to down-shift quickly. She gets about 3mpg more than I do driving her car so driving style is pretty substantial.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    for the past week and was blown away by the number of tacomas I saw. Here in MN I really don't see too many, far more rangers on the road than tacomas. But in phoenix I would almost go so far as to say it was 2-1 tacomas vs. rangers. A fair number of Tundras too, but not way out of proportion like the tacoma. anybody else notice this? maybe this is normal and where I live tacomas sell below average, I don't know.
  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    Here in California the Tacoma outsells the Ranger too. I guess the West is just a few lightyears ahead of the Mid-West in knowing how to pick a small truck.:)

    Of course this link doesn't cover specifically Ranger vs Tacoma, but Californians are definitely registered more Ford Trucks than Toyotas.

    "Ford Division has captured 25 percent of the truck market [In California] (252,021 registrations), led by four of the 10 best-selling nameplates—F-Series, Expedition, Explorer and Ranger—and two other segment leaders—Escape and Econoline."

  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    do you really think that in one of the largest states the tacoma actually outsells the ranger? id like to see some proof of this. could it be that one day you just happened to see a lot of tacomas? or is the ranger really dead out of the water in california? and why is it that the lifeguards use rangers? let's see some proof that the west is lightyears ahead of the midwest in knowing how to pick a small truck. i want some proof for your obviously scientific claim. :o)
  • cpousnrcpousnr Posts: 1,611
    Well think and calculate whatever. When my soft tonnaeu cover is on, I get maybe a mile or so more mileage. I am somewhere around 18-19 in town, 20-21 on the highway. Coming up on 55K so should be changing out the plugs soon, suspect it would boost the mpg a bit.

    The Ranger is still working fine. The recent Consumer Reports marked it down in Electrical issues, for which I would agree. I have had a GEM module(wipers came on un-commanded), door chime came on(un-commanded), my temp. sensor went out, the gage read too low and my gas gage goes down too fast(also a sensor). So that is a fair assesment by CR.

    Still enjoy the Ranger. It is a good value for a truck. I did add a 2002 Toyota Corolla to my household for the wife. It was a good deal and suspect it will last quite a while.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Who has seen these?

    I went and looked at the ratings. Not many people have voted. Everyone do so. Also, one guy had alot of complaints on the Ranger that I have never heard of. Problems that tbunder always brings up as probs with the Taco occur on the Ranger as well it seems. Things like bad seats and bad paint. These trucks have alot in common, huh, man.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Posts: 1,611
    so where is the URL to these?
  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    Tbunder you want proof of everything and then you won't always accept it when it's given to you.
    Too bad that you don't "prove" all of your facts before you print them.:)

    midnight_Stang & tbunder - For the last year I've heard the Tacoma commercial over and over stating that the Tacoma is the best selling small truck in Southern California. I haven't heard Ford complain or challenge the commercial so I tend to think that it's true. I tend to see at least twice as many Tacomas on the road here than Rangers when I take a drive, but that's not really a scientific study. Full size trucks, on the other hand, seem to definitely go in Ford’s favor.

    Tbunder - I'm too lazy to look for something in print for you. I'm just telling you what Toyota advertises. How about you finding some proof that Toyota is making false claims about So. California. I doubt that you'll succeed.
  • Ford sells the most trucks, full size and compact, hands down, and for God knows how long.
    Well I can take your word for it allknowing, commercials are not known to be the best source of knowledge, but companies do seem to put all the bravado slogans in they can.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    I see a lot of Tacos here. But then again, Austin is the opposite of Texas. Even contractors here use 4x4 Tacos. I do see a lot of Rangers sitting in fields with a sign "4 Sale" when I drive to San Antonio.
    As for commercials: Toyota can not say that they are bestselling if they are not. If Ranger outsold a Taco by 1 vehicle in SoCal, and Toyota claims that Tacoma was bestselling, Ford would take them to court and win big. But I thought that we established already that sales numbers don't mean squat? I know tbunder doesnt like that, but tough luck.
  • No one seems to dispute any Tacoma sales leadership (best selling compact truck) in California, and no one can dispute all Ford Truck's sales dominance across the Nation.

    To me, Sales still mean the greater amount of consumer demand is being filled. (My economics teacher would be proud) If consumers didn't demand a Ranger so much, the Ranger would not be the best selling compact for over 15 years.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    I could really care less whether Tacoma is a best-selling truck or not. If everybody drove Yugos, would you drive one, because they would obviously be best-sellers?
    Personally, I think that if you throw enough ads at people promising low APR deals and insane rebates, as well as low prices, then enough people will buy your product. It has nothing to do with quality of a product, it has everything to do with presentation. McDs food is extremely bad for you, yet it's convinient and cheap...thats why McDs is the biggest fastfood chain. It's a lot more convinient to go and buy a Ranger when you can drive it off the lot the same day, instead of having to wait 2-3 weeks while the dealer pulls it from the port. Not to say anything bad about Ranger, but on average consumers are very ....gullible. Thats why things like "Personal EZ Abs trainer: 5 minutes a day and we guarantee you'll have a 6-pack abs in a month" are still around.
  • oac3oac3 Posts: 373
    love that yugo remark.... best selling does not mean best built, best quality, best value, best in anything except best selling .... reasons for higher sale is an amalgamation of many factors, most of which you all have alluded to in various posts on this forum...

    i had remarked in a post way back several months ago about seeing more Taco's than Rangers in San Diego county (roughly 2 million people). Allknowing is absolutely correct: Tacos outsell Rangers in So Cal. Here in San Diego County, it is even more obvious: By my unscientific evaluation, there are almost a 10:1 Taco's to Rangers on the roads. You'd be hard pressed to find a Ranger on our freeways here... They are scarce, compared to Tacos that are everywhere. Proof ? I don't have sales numbers but the evidence is pretty obvious on the roads here, just as allknowing wrote...
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    Perhaps it's so seldom seen that one may have forgotten what they look like.....would be a good reason to come up with 10:1.... =)
  • But it is a stretch. How about Starbucks coffee? They are the best seller. You can't deny consumer demand. I guess that irks you, so the consumers are all gullible. There must be a reason, low APR, awash in a sea of incentives!

    "instead of having to wait 2-3 weeks while the dealer pulls it from the port." I thought Tacoma's were American made too?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    from a row of Tacomas at the dealer.They had everything but a base model.It was kinda scarey buying the first one in town.I had sold my '53 willys PU cuz I hated the attention it drew ,then the first place I parked the Taco someone was looking it over in the parking lot.I just sold my '95 std cab 4x4 v6 5spd for $7500 with 106k on it.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    "American made" has nothing to do with this. There's always demand for Tacos.
    As for McDs analogy: I'm making a counterexample to the obvious belief of some that "bestseller is the best of all".
  • We all know that sales numbers don't mean anything, but that is all that some people can hang on to so let them have their argument. I've never gone to a dealership and had them say to me, "You really should buy this truck because it is the best selling vehicle in America". Give me a break, who really cares how many units are sold. Let's face it, Tacoma owners are looking for quality, Ranger owners are looking for a cheap deal. Well, you get what you pay for. Take care......Steelman.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Yeah, I've tried putting it in not-so-direct terms, but that's essentially the idea.
  • plutoniousplutonious Posts: 799
    blue Rangers than green ones, are the blue ones better?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    The black ones are best.
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