Volkswagen TDI Models

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  • chmeeeechmeeee Member Posts: 327
    If NY uses the California Emissions like Massachusetts does, then for once she actually was not pulling your leg. VW will only be selling the TDI in 45 states next year, so you might want to pick one of the 2003s up. You could always just buy one out of state if you want to wait, or just grab a used one.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    (liguor60) TRUE STATEMENT! Actually, purchasing a new one from out-of-state will be illegal too. (but not many states enforce this)

    I finally got my 2003.... SWWWEEEETTT vehicle. I keep getting WOWed by the nice features like:
    *)Both mirrors adjust at same time to compensate for different-height drivers
    *)If I unlock the doors or trunk with remote... then not actually open them... they re-lock themselves
    *)Stereo automatically increases volume as road-noise increases.
    *)windows and stereo still operate for awhile after turning off engine.... stereo can be repeatedly re-turned back on if desired
    *)sunroof DOUBLES as moonroof (either side opens)
    *)Still on 1st tank of fuel, OVER 300 miles at 1/2 tank
  • bens3bens3 Member Posts: 2
    My 2001 TDI is suffering from a general loss of power. Mechanic says they've had problems with the Mass Air Sensor which will cause the car to underperform if faulty. Had it in 4th with foot to floor yesterday... it would only go 50mph! He recommends replacement. Any comments?
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  • rocquerocque Member Posts: 37
    my 2000 jetta tdi has 160000 km. 100000 miles, and I noticed it's leaking oil........Does anyone else have this problem
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    (rocque) Leaking from WHERE? (oil pan gasket, head gasket, valvecover gasket, tailpipe...etc)

    Leaking gaskets are often a trivial fix (replace the gasket) Oil out of the tailpipe is indicative of a MUCH more severe problem.

    Another quesiton... How much oil are you losing. (1qt per 100 miles?... 1 qt per 6000miles?)

    How do you know it is oil? (Diesel fuel is an 'oil' too ;-)

    Perhaps it is power-steering fluid or some other hydrolic fluid.
  • maurcedesmaurcedes Member Posts: 38
    I posted a question and got no answer but I'm still curious - does anyone know if that new improved diesel will greatly affect the sticker price of a 2004 Jetta? I have a 2003 on order, a wagon, every option except automatic, for $23,000. How much more will the new ones be?
  • chmeeeechmeeee Member Posts: 327
    As far as I know, that information has not been published. With things like that, they usually wont bother until they start selling the car, because its not a new model or a major redesign.
  • music287music287 Member Posts: 116
    I briefly considered a Jetta GLS TDI but, since the diesel costs about $1300 more than the gas version, I don't see how getting about 20 more mpg makes economic sense, especially since diesel sometimes costs more than regular gas. Can someone explain?
    BTW, in the 70s and 80s I owned a diesel Rabbit and Jetta. It was really cool jumping the gas lines to go to the diesel pumps during the gas shortages of '73 and '78. People had auxiliary tanks in the spare tire well for a range of 1000 miles!

    Jay
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #504

    A quick and dirty break even estimate is app 50,000 miles between gas and diesel given your 15-20 mpg savings, but -1300 up front costs for the diesel. While gas and diesel prices will vary, currently at a local station has diesel at 1.83 vs unleaded regular at 1.93.

    On an enthusiast's web site there is a person who has ACTUAL per mile costs of app .07 cents per mile for app 625,000 miles. That is all scheduled and unscheduled maintenance and repair, fuel, and assumes total depreciation of the vehicle. The calculations that sealed the deal for me was app PROJECTED .0581 cents/100k miles. For my .02 cents, that is serious bang for the buck. So anything under these figures is better and anything over these figures is worse. Obviously, it will be your choice.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    KBB lists a five year old Jetta TDI with 100k miles nearly $1000 more than an identical 2.0 Jetta. So basically you've got about $300 to make up over five years. I bought mine used anyway.

    Economics aside, you just plain use less fuel. Plus I love driving the TDI. If you're only concerned about economics a Corolla is probably cheaper to operate considering it's significantly cheaper up front. Although a Golf TDI is closer in price.

    The real way I've justified it is because I normally would never buy a small 4cyl car. I commuted in V6 sedans for the most part over the years and averaged about 23-25mpg. The TDI drives nice enough and has terrific power compared to a economical 4cyl.
  • roxsterroxster Member Posts: 2
    Just noticed that Amsoil makes synthetic transmission fluid. Have used Amsoil
    for years in the motor, but not the trans fluid. Anyone currently using it??

    2001 VW GOLF/TDI owner
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #506

    If what I understand you to be implying is that the premium on the back side or sell side will be only $300.(1300-1000=300) (at the 5 year mark.) If I re calculated correctly, the break even point will be app 12,000 miles.

    While the power figures of the VW Jetta TDI SEVERELY under whelms me,(I am comparing it to a 385 hp 385 # ft of torque) I was almost TOTALLY surprised at its ability to maintain cruising speed (80-90 mph)with mileage range of 47-50 mpg!

    #507

    The difference between conventional and synthetic in the drive train is on the order of app 1 mpg and less operating temperature and a subliminal feeling of operating smoother. However in the 2003 Jetta, the research of the manuals indicates that synthetic 75W-90 or G50 is already oem fill. So no need to change for the difference in conventional vs synthetic. I don't think you can go wrong with either G50 oem, redline, mobil one or amsoil.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    Well I don't agree with the way you worded your response above. The TDI is $1300 more than a 2.0L on the front end (according to you, I've not priced one). According to KBB, a TDI Jetta is worth approx. $1,000 more than a 2.0L in resale value at 5yrs/100k miles. So basically you've got a $300 price difference to make up.

    The TDI doesn't show good on the 0-60 and 1/4 mile stats, but it seems to drive very quick. I have no problem rolling with traffic at stop-lights and out on the open road it's a very quick car comparing to anything in the same ballpark and nothing compares that can even get close on the mpg. I've put a smart-box on mine which boosts power substantially (about 25%) and I've not seen a change in mpg although it'll walk away on the highway or back-roads.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Gee, what a service Edmunds.com provides, eh? 2003 VW Jetta GL's invoice for the following:

    2.0= 15,589
    1.8= 17,080
    1.9= 17,220

    The numbers for break even ranges from 140.to 1631. I hardly think it makes much of a difference. If you just step up to the GLX you are talking about 800 dollar sunroof, 800 dollar leather option and perhaps 250 more for alloy wheels.

    (None of these things, I really want or more importantly, really need, or more to the bottom line, what I want to pay for.) These options will buy 45,492 miles of diesel fuel @ 45 mpg @1.83gal).

    So how do you like your smart box? Which one did you chose?
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    I went with the VASB. Expensive but worth it from the research I've done. Plus it has resale value if I decide to toss it. Can't imagine that happening though!

    Very noticable performance difference in every way. Acceleration, top-end, etc. This thing accelerates up hills that even V6's feel sluggish. It feels about like a good german 6 cylinder once you're rolling. It still has some deadish/lag spots typical of a turbo, but it's not as obvious as other turbos I've driven. It will hit 100mph without any effort and still plenty of revs left but I'm running a touring tire and not interested in taking it all the way up. I've heard folks say they'll clip off to 130mph fairly easily with a VASB or chip. Fanatastic to have a vehicle that can easily and smoothly roll 80mph and still get 45-50mpg.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The cars might 'feel' fast, but of course they're not meant to race. I thought it was funny today that this guy tried to beat me in a stoplight derby with a TDI stick. He kept pretty good speed though, but no way could he keep up. That's to be expected though.

    Diesel fuel is currently about $1.90 a gallon here in MD, while 89 octane (what I use) is $1.59.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    Man they're still beating you guys on the east coast. I can buy Truck Stop #2 crud for $1.40/gallon, 87 octane is $1.46. I run BP Supreme diesel though and it's about a nickel more than the #2. Diesel has been cheaper than gas here since about the first of March and then it was never more than a nickel higher than 87 octane. That's assuming you're buying at popular fuel spots. If you're in a location where there's only one station carrying diesel they usually jack the price way up for some reason, can't imagine why:( There's a single station near where I'm working this week that gasoline is about $.10 more and diesel is $.20 more than if you drive five miles up the road. Can't figure out why anyone would fuel here, but I guess it's not my problem. Later!
  • chmeeeechmeeee Member Posts: 327
    Around here, the diesel has started dropping back down to the level of regular unleaded. More like $1.60.

    Was there a message deleted?
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Over the course of a year, diesel fuel is roughly the same price as 86 octane gasonline. In the winter, it tends to be more expensive. In the summer, it tends to be cheaper.
  • rocquerocque Member Posts: 37
    To all jetta owners with over 160000k, I just replaced the seal on my timing cover gasket . Not a pretty job. They had to also replace the timing belt and my serpintine belt.........mucho dunaro$$$$$
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    #517

    Did they have to R/R the belts due to the leak or did you do the belts because of scheduled time? And oh by the way, fix the leak?
  • abschnickabschnick Member Posts: 1
    We are seriously looking at the Jetta GLS TDI wagon, but have read some very poor reviews on the Jetta on several web sites. However, many of those reviews were on cars that have ignition systems. Some concerns that were listed were problems with speedometers, windshield wiper problems, windows falling down in tracks, burned out lights, and problems with the stereo, instrument panel, center counsel and door rattles. I have read very good things on this board and now we're stuck. Could anyone let us know of your experience with the Jetta TDI wagon or sedan... good, bad, or indifferent. Has anyone had any of these problems and how has it affected your opinion of the vehicle? Thanks for you time!
  • chmeeeechmeeee Member Posts: 327
    So far my only problem in 25,000 miles has been a window, and that problem shouldnt affect you anymore if you are buying new. Most of those other problems I have not actually heard of, the two major ones are the windows and the coil packs in the 1.8T and VR6 (dont affect TDI).
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    (rocque) These are NOT an unusual "wear items" for ANY vehicle at that mileage. The timing belt MUST be relplced lest the engine becomes a boat-anchor when it breaks. The serpentine belt HAS to be removed to replace the timing belt... thus is is wise to just put a new one on when re-assembling.

    While they were in there... did they replace the waterpump too? Several folks have tried to save some $$ by NOT replacing the waterpump...only to have the old one fail soon therafter due to the stresses that the new belt puts on it.

    BOTTOM LINE: These are normal "wear items" and your vehicle has given you many miles of trouble-free service.... Be happy that you can now go another 160,000K

    I am curious about your mention of a "timing cover gasket"... what is this? Can I assume you are talking about the "Valve cover Gasket"? This is pretty easy to replace and takes no more than 15-20 minutes do do it.

    If you are not talking about the "Valve cover gasket", please explain what was replaced so we all know what to look for.
  • rapidrickrapidrick Member Posts: 70
    I strongly suggest you DO NOT buy a Jetta TDI Wagon, as it depletes the supply for the rest of us getting ready to pull the trigger ;-)
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    I have a 2000 TDI Beetle, good fuel economy 42/51, excellent throughout, 50k mi. But I have a hard time starting when cold (first start of the day). I push smoke until the diesel ignites and starts and then will not see smoke until the next cold start. I have changed the glow plug relay, Has anyone else have a suggestion before I change out the glow plugs?
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    Sound normal during the winter time
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    Additional information - cold start still occurs even at +80, I live in San Antonio. If anyone has experienced this let me know, before I let the local VW dealer/garage gouge me. How frequently should the glow plugs be changed?
  • retiredguyretiredguy Member Posts: 67
    I was at a VW dealer this morning on Bandera Rd.

    How has your experience been with them? Sounds like I might be better off going someplace else.
    TIA
  • cwo4cwo4 Member Posts: 90
    My Mrs and I selected a 2002 Jetta GLS TDI sedan as our car last year because we were putting 50K miles a year visiting kids and grandkids. 10 months later we have 39,598 miles on it. The only problem we've had were the windows, which were fixed under warranty. Ours is an auto and we get 40-43 mpg at 76 mph. Love this car!
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    (truenorthern) Sounds to me as if you need a "tune up".

    *) Try another brand of diesel. (some are MUCH worse than others and might cause the symptoms you describe)

    *)Run some Diesel Additive that cleans the injectors and increases cetane.

    *) check for the (infamous) "plugged intake" problem (well described with color photos on the TDIclub)

    *) Find somone in your area with a VAGCOM that can check the injector timing. (the VAGCOM list over on the TCIclub can point you the right direction.)
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    I've personally not changed the timing belt myself yet on a TDI, but on many cars there is an oil seal behind the timing belt. Obvious problem if this goes bad and many mechanics recommend changing the seal as a part of PM during a timing belt change.

    BTW, got me a VAG-COM last week. Haven't had a chance to monkey with it too much yet, but plan to reprogram door locks, check timing, MAF, etc.
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    I will look into the VAG-COM this week to see if it helps me troubleshoot this problem. As for a tune up I recently did the fuel lines, fuel filter, oil filter, air filter, oil change and changed out the glow plug relay, and I must say it only took minutes to do all of this service with the diesel. This was the easiest service that I have ever done on any vehicles(all at home in my driveway). And the cost was equal to any other vehicle (other than the relay).
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    I have not used Ancira, I have been getting my parts from Rod East and I have been doing all of the work myself, very easy on the vw beetle. As for a purchase I new what I wanted and how much before I made my purchase.
  • retiredguyretiredguy Member Posts: 67
    Thanks. I have been considering a Passat, with all the reported problems, many of which are now fixed, I would need a reliable dealer just in case. I live 60+ miles away.
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Email me, and I can point you in the right direction. :)
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    This is the additive (follwoing link) that is used by truckers. It cleans injectors, improves running, reduces smoking and even increases MPG.

    Wallymart sells this stuff in 64oz containers. Math tells me that approx 5-8oz per fillup is about right.

    I keep a supply of 9-oz paper cups in the trunk. This allows me to 'measure and toss' (the additive is pretty stinky and you DO NOT want to have any residue in your trunk)

    http://www.powerservice.com/dieselkleen_cetaneboost.asp
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    Thank peebles, I have tried a different additive, however, no success. I will give that a go since I have seen that product at AutoZone. Does anyone know how often the glow plugs need to be changed?
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    When you say start problem, is actually having problems starting or is it just smoking after it starts? Some smoke is typical of crud diesel we have here and I get it when running any #2 (even good #2) although it's just a puff right at cold start.

    Fuel filter, timing, etc. could all be contributing to hard-start/smoke.
  • truenortherntruenorthern Member Posts: 6
    The tdi 2000 beetle, will smoke consistantly while the starter is turning, once the car has started, the smoke issue is no longer an issue. When it was cooler a month ago it would take up to 1-2 min. just to start the car, now it will crank for 10-15 sec. prior to starting. I think the problem is simple, but I want to try to fix it myself prior to sending it to a shop.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    The glowplugs are just electric heaters... if they get hot, then they are doing their job.

    If you wish to be replacing somthing, then consider the INJECTOR NOZZLES. Changing these may not only fix your starting problems, but selecting the right replacments will give you SIGNIFICANT power increase too.

    Check out this link to the best TDI injector nozzles available--> http://www.kermatdi.com/

    Personally, I would change fuel-brands and run some Diesel-additive at the highest-reccommended mixing-level for at least 2 tanks of fuel before doing any "replacing" or other major changes.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    I've heard of starting problems coming from timing issues. Sometimes if the timing has "slipped" to one extreme or the other, it will appear to run fine but start very hard. Has the timing belt been changed recently? Someone with a VAGCOM would be able to help you. The Tdiclub has lists of folks with VAGCOM available in your area. Very easy to check/set the timing with VAGCOM. If you're in the San Antonio area, I know it has some tdiclub members with VAGCOM that are willing to help out. My TDI came from a tdiclub member in San Antonio and he had a couple guys that would help him out.
  • rocquerocque Member Posts: 37
    I had the timing belt changed at 10OK. The dealership put the tensioner on wrong, and the belt came off. They put it back on. My car started leaking oil 55k later! My dad's 94 J30 had 300K on it and nerver leaked a drop. VW are LEMONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    Isn't a good word for a vehicle with 155k worked on by a dipstick dealer. When your Ford needs it's 3rd tranny before hitting 50k miles, that's lemonish.

    I've had two V6 Camrys go past 200,000 miles without a problem. Snore. I'll take my chances on some repairs.
  • pulgopulgo Member Posts: 400
    I would say the dealer is a lemon, not the car :-)
  • music287music287 Member Posts: 116
    We owned two early VW diesels, a 78 Rabbit and an 81 Jetta. Didn't those cars have 48 hp? One thing I could do with the Rabbit was kinda cool though a bit mean. If someone was tailgating me, I could downshift a gear from 4th to 3rd. Those higher rpm's would send a cloud out the back. Very satisfying. On hard acceleration, that car would easily smoke. I guess VW has improved 'em in 25 years!

    BTW, on cold mornings VW recommended going through two or three glowplug cycles to get the engine cranking...with a cold start knob pulled out, too! Oh yes, they even recommended adding some gasoline in the Winter!

    Jay
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    Well, you can still get the new ones to "soot" as I call it. Revving them real high will blow a cloud of smoke. It's simply dumping on extra fuel. Even easier to do with a tuning box. Of course when doing this you don't have any acceleration at such high rpms. Oh well.

    Longest I had to wait on glow-plugs this winter was about 10 seconds. It started every time even at -17F. When it was that cold, I did run through two glow-plug runs though because it starts with less smoke/sputtering if you run twice. Even on one run-through though, it only sputters for a few seconds. Not much difference than a gasser really. My Cherokee isn't overly excited on an extremely cold start either.

    There is a great coolant heater available for the TDI and I'm going to install one for next year. Instant heat is my main goal, but I guess it starts like it's 70F when plugged in for a couple hours.

    My cummins Dodge starts flawlessly in the cold as well although it generally requires a longer wait. It doesn't have glow-plugs and is even more reliable at starting at terribly cold temps. I've never plugged it in either.
  • maurcedesmaurcedes Member Posts: 38
    This is a link to an excellent article about diesel fuel in AutoWeek. I found it on a link from CocoMats, of all places (and here's a plug for CocoMats, everyone should have them, really classy, go to Cocomats.com)

    http://autoweek.com/search/search_display.mv?port_code=&cat_c- - ode=coverstory&content_code=04795232&Search_Type=STD&- - Search_ID=1198607&record=35

    It got me wondering how to find the "best" diesel fuel for my new Jetta. Should I go into the filthy truck stops, because they sell such a high volume the fuel will be fresh? Even tho true Low-Sulfer is not yet on the market, the article implies some is cleaner. How do I find it? Should I use an additive? Thanks for any comments.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    Depends on where you're located. Buying from a truck stop is usually safe in that the fuel should be fresh and without water.

    To get real high quality diesel you've got to do some hunting. In my area, I went to the local BP distributor and talked with them. Some carry "BP Supreme" which is a low-sulphur, high cetane fuel. My TDI is extremely quiet running on this fuel, although I don't notice any performance/mpg difference. The problem is that not many stations carry this fuel, but the bulk plant can tell you where to get it. In my area, the bulk plant's unmanned fueling station is the only one carrying it withing 40 miles. I bought a 300 gallon tank and they deliver the fuel to my home. I have two diesel trucks, my TDI, and two diesel tractors so we can justify buying in bulk. I don't think I would go out of my way to find the BP Supreme, but BP #2 is also a very good fuel and low(er) sulphur as well. The problem is many BP stations don't carry BP diesel. They're only required to buy a certain amount of fuel from BP to keep the name so generally they buy cheap stuff. The bulk-plant can tell you who is buying quality fuel though.

    You may not have a BP/Amoco in your area but the same theory applies to other brands. Sunoco has a high cetane diesel in certain areas (some pumps say premium but they aren't) as well as some regional brands. Just go to the bulk plants and find out what kind of diesel they're pumping.
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/tdi/PremDiesel/

    And the best fuel you can get in North America is biodiesel. There are links to several biodiesel station lists here - http://www.biodieselnow.com/links.asp
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