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Honda Element



  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    No base AC?
    A lousy MP3 input jack? for 21K$ What about the GPS? How about a 110V jack?
    Who needs power windows for just 2 windows. No power skylight.
    Get your own 18 inch alloy wheels.
    What the heck is the color shorline. They should have offered the SIR yellow. No white. Only light colors work with that gray cladding. The orange was rumoured for many upcoming cars by trend reports. Orange does not photograph or come across well on PC monitors.
  • well put varmit! "...built for the wierdos..." That's funny. I must agree, although the Element is cool, it will not compare to CR-V and especially Pilot. The CR-V's sell quite well, and the Pilots are sold before they are unloaded from the trucks. That is tough competition for the Element and all its weirdness.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    They're still talking like the Element is a prototype! Cdn price at 25-30k is virtually the same as CR-V (26 and change to 29 and change except for the EX-Leather@32K)....should be more like 23-28K max. Like the hatch, washable floors & seats, removable seats, versatility, 16" wheels/tires over the CR-V's 15 inchers, swing-out door and non-removeable seats. Wish it sat 5 vs. 4
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Given the price vs content, the weight, and the look of the lil beast, I'm guessing that this vehicle is actually a bit larger than the CR-V. The more I look at the cargo area behind the rear seats, the bigger it seems.

    I think this is one of those cases where you get a lot of vehicle, but not much content.
  • What are they thinking? You can't sell a car without air conditioning except in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Seattle, and a few other places. Are the precious, targeted Gen-Yers going to spring for a dealer AC? I'm certainly not, and I'm a tailend boomer. What the heck is their point? 16.9k is a good price for a reasonable vehicle, not for this stripped-down offering. If you could still get it, I'm sure that the Jeep Dispatcher 1000 (former mail vehicle) would be a lot less than 16.9k. Face it, that's what they're offering here. For 21-22k, there's a heck of a lot more out there.
  • chris777chris777 Posts: 126
    so is toyota matrix/pontiac vibe
    a used crv
    scion bbx is supposed to base out under 18 loaded down with all power options(ala lx honda)

    of course I can get a crv for 18 if I wanted to shell that much out

    honda might I suggest you rethink this before your left with 50000 units collecting dust on lots
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe they figure the demographic will be so young (i.e. high school or college age) that A/C is not needed for some? If you don't have to wear a suit to work, it may be tolerable to some. My first (used) car didn't have A/C.

    That web site still shows the one with blue cladding.

  • chris777chris777 Posts: 126
    did anyone else get this?

    basically a commercial video

    "Come December, a totally new type of vehicle will hit the streets: the Element, from Honda. The Element is equipped with side-cargo doors, so it's easy to load your gear, friends or both. Its interior can be configured 64 different ways... just in case. The seats and floor are so durable, they're practically begging for you to spill something. And its seamless 4-wheel-drive can transport you and yours to just about any destination you have in mind.
    So enjoy this quick Element hors d'oeuvre. We'll have a new Web site with more information in early September. "
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Maybe Honda should've named the Element "Pluto Nash" instead.

    Gen-Yers don't want milk crates on wheels. They want low-slung coupes and sedans with good kit levels.

    I can see the DX trim having crank windows, but no cruise control or ABS? Give me a friggin' break!

    Also, notice that there is no mention of four-wheel disc brakes on either trim level.

    Way to go, Honda. You're busy with this Aztek clone while at the same time considering axing the S2000 after 2004.
  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    Idunno 'bout this. Perhaps they should try and sell just one in every state/province and see what happens. They need to straighten this line out. Any chance Honda may have a mid-year update?

    Bring on the Latitude! Which was probably a hedge against the possible failure of the Element anyway. One of the few Honda's that may depreciate badly at first?
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    Anybody seen any more detailed interior pix? Can't seem to see any cup-holders anywhere, for the front or back row. Is it gonna have a flip up table ala CR-V? The gotta-hava-java set will be disappointed if there aren't any. The back seat also looks like a bit of a climb to get back into
    ...not a problem for the target demographics but maybe for us somewhat older folks. I know it's designed to put most of your stuff inside but are there roof rails built into those cladding pieces on the roof? They put the little stub antenna on the side, so it seems they were thinking some of us might like to carry stuff on the roof. And tow rating......i assume it'll be the same as the CR-V
    ....1500 lbs?
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Artdecho - Take a look at the pictures that show the cargo area with the seats folded up on the sides. Look past the cargo area and to the front. You'll see the e-brake on the floor between the two seats. Along with the e-brake, there are two cupholders on a **slightly** raised platform. It's not a folding table like the CR-V.

    Why do you think the back seats will be hard to get into?
  • In Half Moon Bay, right by the harbor, off of Highway 1 there is a big white tent which holds 4-5 Elements. They are driving them in and out and going for road tests evidently. They've been there since Monday, still doing it today.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    They're certainly not being as secretive about the Element as they were with the CR-V and Accord.

    mhiggins- How do they look in real life? Smallerlarger than what you expected? Do they look better/worse than the pictures?
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286*2PV_026889

    Some new pics of the Element on

  • chris777chris777 Posts: 126
    good spot diploid
    so that is Galapagos Green ?
    kinda looks like an old jeep

    their are more pics why are they showing red when it wont be offered?

    interior looks more drab with just gray instead of the blue highlights plus no yellow strapping on rear seats

    the college hills site list a picnic table option

    I'd rather see the cover support about 200-300 lbs. myself for hauling and changing if you will be able to do it

    I asked on the crv at a dealer and the table is only supposed to support about 50 lb. evenly distributed so I'm hoping on a sturdy tire cover to stand on/load on

    the cup holders are in a pan surrounding the brake I've seen a close up of it it also had a square pan I believe but I'm not sure where maybe

    I wish I had had a better digital camera when I saw it my pics were low res and didn't reveal too much unless your interested in door hinges and the hatch and I lost my disposable 35 mm cam

    mhiggins2000 if you have a cam get some shots por favor

    anyone else think that the "ex" is skimpy
    all it has is abs and alloys and the sound system
    for 21 it should have automatic front and rear moonroofs as well as the in dash dvd players along with rear disk brakes roof rack ect.

    scion bbx is supposed to include all power options for less than 19
  • I will have to wait until I see it in person, but it is growing on me. More pics at Looks good in red. From a price perspective I see no reason why a Element EX should not run the same price as an CR-V EX. Same engine, same equipment. If you want A/C on the DX the dealer can install it. That is what they have been doing on DX Civic's and Accord's for years. As for cruise on a DX, its not going to happen.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Yeah, I think the new interior pics are a bit drab (I thought it was black and white photography - until I noticed the red taillights).

    Hopefully they'll offer as much interior colors as they do exterior colors. I really like the car - it should be a hit with people who commute to school. Ditto to the weirdo comments.
  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    Whoever at Honda picked the colors should be fired. They had an opportunity to make a stunning niche youth statement and go and vanilla the whole thing. I liked the blue interior and now it is the most depressing gray ever. It should have been orange or red or yellow or the blue. Honda now generally has only one interior color per model. This is it. They probably asked the Accord team-wrong choice.
    The red Element is actually the orange one. Too much red. No guts to do a bright orange or yellow. No guts to do black cladding. Even a black Element will look awkward with that medium gray cladding.

    Never mind about the washable seats. Go to Canadian Tire hardware store and get some bright seat covers.
  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    I agree it will not be cheap in Canada. 25 to 30K CDN. As much as a CRV but seats 1 less, no rear window cranks. I noticed it really is not that big.(from the spam video) It is shorter than a CRV. It is taller and if it was as long as a CRV it would look like a Tractor Trailer. The proportions are to keep it funky looking.
  • moonkatmoonkat Posts: 265
    Looks are deceiving. From the elevated 3/4 front view
    the red Element looks a panel van:*2PV_026890

    I find it hard to believe it is on the CRV wheelbase. My perception is Element is larger; esp considering the 16" wheels & known height increase.

    Closest comparable photo of a CRV I could find:*2PV_041787
    This photo does demonstrate the additional roof area/cargo volume to be gained by squaring off the rear-end.

    Don't know 'bout "Gen Y" appeal, but this buggy is going to be a hit with the Boomers!
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    Varmint.....unlike most vehicles, where you open the back door, stick your butt in & plop it down, in the Element, you have to climb in & move back to the back seat before you plop down....not as bad as getting into the rear seat of a minivan but along those lines....I'm sure my "seniors" folks would find it a bit difficult if I went to pick them up, although the tall roof & absence of a B pillar help......gotta go & check out those new pix now!
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    The NSX is smaller in real life than it is in media pics. I think the Element will do the same.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    I agree that they could've been a bit more adventurous wrt interior colours....however the gray with the brushed aluminum does look fairly classy. I think the exterior colours (incl. orange) will probably look better in person. Saw the cupholders, Varmint......thx. Looks like the rear ones are built into the inboard seat cushions. My question about a roof rack was answered in the pix too. Front seats seem a bit low....hope you don't get the sensation of sitting on the floor. Hardest sell for my wife will be the 4-seat capacity (and with those inboard cupholders, even if there was a middle belt, it doesn't look like it would be too comfy)
    Would like to see one parked beside a CR-V. Haven't totally given up on the X-Trail either.
  • moonkatmoonkat Posts: 265
    Pilot is larger in real life than media pictures. So much so that CU published a picture of a Red Pilot on the cover of its May 02 (?) issue on small SUVs when it reveiwed the CRV among others. I expect the same with the Element...bigger in real life.

    Honda has made a subtle but extraordinary effort to hide the length of the Element with: "foreshortening" 3/4 views; avoiding scale elements such as other vehicles & people. Just as they did the Pilot. And as I look at some of these Element photos to make out the driver; seems there is as much room behind driver as in a Pilot. Then again, difference between CRV and Pilot wheelbase is only 3" (103" vs 106").

    The Element could very well be to the CRV what the Pilot is to the MDX; a more functional variation of a Honda product. By just straightening out some body lines & increasing height; and using the same drivetrain the Element stands to gain 10% in volume as the Pilot did over the MDX (90cf vs 82). So 10% increase over CRV 72cf would yield about 80cf. The Element could have the cargo volume of an MDX! Though I would not be surprised if it had more.

    Will be very interesting to see Element up close.

    Varmint: Did I just imply the CRV is an Acura?!
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I also just noticed that the front end isn't just a blunt square as I originally thought. The sides where the headlights are positioned are actually cornered so that the headlights can be partially seen from the side view.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Younger folks that are the target demographic won't have problems crawling into that back seat. In fact I bet those seats are empty 90% of the time on this type of vehicle.

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I wouldn't think it would be all that tough anyway. You step in. You pivot. You sit. Since the door is hinged on the trailing edge, you won't be approaching the seat from the same angle as a wagon, suv, or car.

    Regarding the pics... I still like the silver. The green looks interesting. The red is icky. I wish the auto CR-V had the same center stack. The jury is still out on the large bezzle gauges. Generally, I like the dash (colors and all), but the interior looks too dark.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, since the door hinges the opposite way, it might be easier.

    We are used to going in forward, then sitting back. All while leaning at an angle, too.

    With suicide-style doors, they are completely out of your way. So while the opening is smaller, nothing blocks your feet from getting in easily.

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