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Ugly and Horrendous looking pick-up trucks
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I have not seen a breakdown on sales, only the hearsay that GM has outsold Ford in the half-ton market for years. It does make sense, seeing as Ford had cornered the market with the Super Duties, while both makes sold nearly the same total number of trucks.
-Eric
Prior to my Tacoma, I drove a 93' Chevy Blazer with digital dash. I really liked the design, and thought that it was the best thing since sliced bread. It was very comfortable to read, but so is my current Taco dash. One glance and I have all the info I need. I just got used to new design, thats all.
Yes, it is F-series I stand corrected.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/gallery/
You're right, it's pretty curvy and "countoured"! The King Ranch leather seats look dang good though. But as I've said, I can't get past the looks of the F150's sheet metal. The Ford heavy-duty truck exterior is one of the best looking, but I just can't warm up to the F150's. The one thing I DO like alot about F150s is Ford's 5.4L engine. In my opinion, probably the best overall 1/2 ton truck V8 in current production.
I also agree with F1 regarding matter of opinions. F1 and Bama get labeled as defensive because they have what they believe are good trucks and are very opinionated. Takes strong opinions to have a good discussion as well as open minds. I can think of quite a few GM lovers in these threads that are just as opinionated. Some people in general will continue to love a truck due to its manufacturer with no regard to its actual performance, design, safety or much else. Not much you can do about that I suppose.
I realize it's all opinion, and I guess that's why they redesign these things every few years. But if this is the future of trucks, I may have to start building my own.
However, I kind of like the 1500 Chevys. They didn't go out and make the things all curvy and smooth. It looks like a real truck.
But to stay on topic, I think the ugliest trucks are the ones (can't remember the names) with like 6-8 doors or a quad cab with an extended cab. Those look ridiculous. They look like limos with beds... and the sad part is they're outrageously expensive.
I think it looks quite a bit better than the T-100 also. I'm sure the T-100 is a good truck, I see many of them on the road, but it does look a little whimpy next to the Tundra.
All the compact trucks look whimpy next to the Tundra.
duh...
I personally liked the regular cab long box 4X4s like I had and I think the wheelbase looked fine. When the Xtracabs came along I think the wheelbase should have been stretched a bit. Even though I have my Tundra I might get another Regular cab 4X4 T100 some day for a work truck.
The 2WDs are a different story. What they did with the Tundra 2WDS when compared to the old 2WD T100s is like night and day. They actually have some ride height to them (the Tundra 2wds). I think the 4wds had prety good styling with the beefy 31 tires and the such but the 2wds left a lot to be desired...
F-150 is damn ugly...too curvy...the Super-dutys are the best looking full-sizes out there.
Chevy...looks good in ex-cab, but the crew-cabs are ugly for some reason...Ford did the crew cab much better with more room also.
Dodge...what can I say? The new Ram looks like it was designed for the California street scene and rappers...
Hey, maybe if more people fired back at stupid posts like that to begin with the people posting them would stop. I personally find it annoying.
Libby(rube) just can't accept these simple facts.
Shiny ones? Yeah, I guess them foreign ones ARE shiny when compared to all those GMC cars and trucks with the notorious peeling-paint!
Too bad the name of this thread isn't "Ugly/horrendous looking and sounding pick-up trucks and their owners." An ugly Chevy with its peeling paint and knocking engine would be a major contender...especially with a toothless tobacco-spittin' straw-hat wearin' hickbonics-speaking rubein behind the wheel...
BAMA :RE comparing Tundra to an HD.If you consider the weight difference,the HD looks pretty good.Compare Tundra's acceleration and braking to a Kenworth.Pretty impressive(unless you need a truck)
kip
Your words:
"We all know here that I'm one of those people with "buyer's remorse",but what bothers me isn't that my truck isn't perfect.What bothers me is nobody makes one better,and Tundra isn't even in my market"
So basically people in your market are kind of out of luck until Toyota offers something for them?
As far as my recommending a Ford PSD to that particular poster: he was looking for a used, high-mileage relatively inexpensive truck to tow with. A used PSD with manny transmission would have filled the bill nicely.
weight 1500HD 5461 Tundra 4276
payload 3139 2011
towing cap 10300 7200
The tundra is a sporty little grocery getter,but that's all.
PLUTO : You know I've had disagreements with overzealous chevy owners too,so don't feel singled out.As for being "out of luck until Toyota offers something"Have you ever heard the phrase "do the best you can with what you've got"?I'm not going to sit home wringing my hands saying "what if my truck don't make it",nor am I going to buy one that I know won't do the job and just stay home.To me ,a buss pass would make more sense than a tundra.Tundra huals 200 lb more than my taco but takes up almost as much space as a big truck.It also uses as much gas as a big truck.
kip
While a bus pass may make more sense to you than a Tundra, a Tundra makes more sense to me than your Chevy (heck, FOR ME, the Tacoma makes more sense than both of these trucks). I would never use the Chevy (or even Tundra for that matter) to its potential. So why would I choose the Chevy over the Toyota when the Chevy seems to suffer from so many more problems? No thanks, I'll pass on the wonderful Chevy ownership experiences I keep reading and hearing about.
I think it's high time people dropped their egos that seem directly proportionate to the size of their truck. I wouldn't compare a Tundra to a Ranger or S-10 and beat my chest, like so many of the Chevy/Ford guys do. Rather, I look at how well a truck does what it was designed to do. For the typical Joe who lives in the city and needs a truck for the purposes I mentioned, the Tundra is an excellent choice. If I needed to tow a 12,000lb horse trailer, I wouldn't look at any of the 1/2 ton Chevys or Fords. I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because a truck doesn't fill YOUR needs doesn't mean it's worthless. This is a concept that is lost on so many of the Chevy/Ford/Dodge guys.
But the topic is "ugly and horrendous"and I like the looks of the Tundra.My taco is ugly.
kip
these chev folks just don't have much sense when it comes to facts.
Motor Trend described the brakes as "scary". They said they saw whole countries go by in their windows when they tried to stop.
And where is the mighty Chev's ponies - hiding? A Tundra with a 4.7L blows it away 0-60 loaded and empty.
It amazes me that they claim this abomination is "HD".
Add 70's era interior and exterior styling and you have one ugly, very limited truck. It might be a good grocery getter, but just don't put too much weight in it - the brakes can't take it.
see for yerself in the silverado problems. that's the truth bout those chevies now, they be hunks of junk for sure. they're good for being hauled away.
March '02 Motor Trend Page 78:
Shakerado 0-60 empty: 9.1
Tundra 0-60 empty: 8.2
Shakerado 0-60 loaded with 1000lb: 10.3
Tundra 0-60 loaded with 1000lb: 10.1
The Tundra has a 4500lb curb weight, can tow 7000lbs, haul 1350lbs before bottoming out, has a 245hp rated V8 which puts out 189 rwhp. The curb weight #s are 4wd models from Edmunds. The 0-60 times Bama posted are nearly the same(0.2s), and the HD is moving an additional 1200-1300lbs! Impressive!
By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover! As usual, his logic requires *ahem* a slight leap of faith! Tundras are engineered for a degree of speed in exchange for lighter load capacity. The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds that would destroy the Tundra's lighter drivetrain and suspension!!
Now take a look at data for a comparison of a GM 1500LD vs. a Tundra loaded/unloaded:
http://www.trucktrend.com/editorial/article_popup.jsp?id=30189&sidebar=1
0-60 empty/1000lb load
Chevy 7.79s/9.34s
Tundra 8.06s/9.86s
quarter-mile empty/1000lb load
Chevy 15.83s/16.88s
Tundra 16.16s/85.84s
Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area.
Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!
What? You mean that GM 3/4ton trucks are ALL that weak? Wow - I'm amazed that you would admit that!
"The 1500HD is a 3/4 ton pickup with a 4-door club cab, 2500LD drivetrain and a curb weight of nearly 5800lbs. It tows 10000lbs, hauls 2800lbs"
Motor Trend said they could see countries going by their windows with just 1000lb load.
Can you imagine trying to load it with 2800lb? You would have to have a death wish!
As far as acceleration goes, it is clear that Tundra is much more capable of towing 1000lb. Does it really matter what the Chev sales brochure says?
"By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover!"
No, but Kenworths don't have WEAK BRAKES!!!
"The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds..."
As long as you don't plan on stopping!!! LMAO
"Now take a look at data for a comparison of a GM 1500LD vs. a Tundra loaded/unloaded:"
Gee Hilly - weren't we talking about how weak 1500HDs are? Now that you mention it though - the Tundra loaded with 1350lb outbrakes an empty 1500 Shakerado. They have a family inheritance of dangerous brakes.
"Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area."
A Chimp can see that a truck that is dangerous loaded with 1000lb is not much use - except for hauling groceries.
"Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!"
Aren't you the one trying to shore up the Chev pack's runt?
Hilly - don't be silly - If you want a truck to pose in that can't be worked - the Chev 1500HD is the truck for you.
I bought my taco for a reliable daily driver and the 2500HD for what it CAN DO.
kip
No? I didn't think so....
Hook them up back to back and who ever pulls the other one's truck past a certain distance wins!! Put 1,000 lbs in the back and try it again.
Bama, what city/state do you live in?
We will both accelerate to 60mph (Of course the Chev HD(?) will take a little longer to get there). 140ft from a 300ft cliff we will both slam on our brakes.
I will send flowers and attend the funeral of the unfortunate Chev HD(?) driver.
Tug of war to see which truck is
toughest ! I remember my younger
days in so. Fla. Thats how they
did it then...But now its B.S.
on the net !
But I am a old fart now! .....LOL !
.......Geo
Your truck has no power, and some tourque. That's about all it has.
Look at the size of the 1500 or 1500 HD compared to your Tundra. Just a bit bigger huh??
And don't you get laughed at in Alabama for having that thing?? I would laugh at you.
And why would someone ever drive toward a cliff at 60 MPh with 1000 LBS in the bed??
I would love to see your TRD package getting pulled out of a tight sopt by our Rado's!!
Your Toyota is just that a Toyota. Just admit it's a girl truck!! More for people who can't buy a real truck.
Maybe if Toyota came out with a 5+ liter on a diesel I would agree with you.
What I would likr to see is a 2500 with the 8.1(496) hitch up to your rear end and pull the other way!. That would be one sorry site to see..
But back to the subject. I hink the Avalaache is the ugliest truck out there now, besides the Azteck.
Funny how your tundra is lighter and all... Never seen a Tundra off-road.. Don't think they can hack it...
Why don't you guys just admit your Tundra is just what the name brand suggests: Toyota.
It's a Camry with bigger wheels and 4x4!