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  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    I am tailgater.

    But I am not inconsiderate.

    I am a tailgater because I am considerate of the person behind me. I have no idea why any of you would care if someone's driving close behind you. It's not as if I'm affecting your driving.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I don't think that deserves an answer.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    please elaborate.
    I dont honk my horn or flash my lights.

    I simply drive very very close.

    It improves density of cars on the road, and hence improves traffic conditions.

    I find slow drivers to be inconsiderate.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I have a nice trick I play (on rare occasions) on Semi Tractor trailers who won't get off my rear bumper. I don't brake check...I just slow down...very slowly...I kill my cruise control. It's like the frog you put in the water and then keep turning up the temperature slowly until it's too late and he's a boiling. Then when I have them so slow they can't speed up to pass me, I take off. Cruel, but it gets the message across. Of course, if they back off I don't do this...it's only for those clearly looking for trouble.
    I did that once in Virginia and the dude followed me to a rest area. Then, after I got away, he followed me out the exit ramp onto Interstate 64. Since my Accord can do 0-60 about 12 times faster than his rig, I did it to him again, except this time he was stuck at the end of an entry ramp to the interstate at 15 miles an hour and too close to accelerate. I don't know what happened to him but my Accord just shot out and I accelerated. So small, quick cars do have some recourse when gigantic rigs harrass us. They're just plain dangerous when they get close to you.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    I think getting pissed off about someone tailgating is solely an american thing.

    No drivers elsewhere in the world get angry about it. When i'm driving slow I sure as hell don't get angry about it either.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    I dont know.
    In Taiwan it would be your responsibility to brake.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    when you have two lanes like that, you are supposed to try to balance them out. When your lane starts slowing down, inmmediately switch to the other one. When that lane starts slowing down, immediately switch. Balancing the lanes like this makes the traffic, on the whole, more constant speed.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I just slow down and pull behind the trucks so this person can come around me and pass at a speed they think appropriate. I refuse to speed up because if a cop is laying down radar, they'll hit my car first and I'll be the one getting the speeding ticket because I'm trying to please the person behind me.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I just stay in my lane and let everyone else do the switching. It's much safer for me.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    Incorrect. Most crashes can be attributed to sleepiness.

    When you are driving fast, you are less likely to fall asleep, because it is more exciting.

    When you are drivign slow, you may fall asleep and die.
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    then you would be late and who ever's waiting for you woudl be pissed off.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Well, the fog thing takes a little experience to learn. I've been behind people in fog and I think,"My goodness, I know it's foggy but really...do they have to go THIS slow???" Then I pass and find out...yes...they really did. After living in Spokane, Washington, which has some of the worst fog you'll ever see, I learned fast.
    The cool thing about the situation is, when the person behind you thinks you are going too slow in fog, and then they pass, you just stay behind them and use their tail lights as a guide. It's like some sort of cruel trap really.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    No, actually I make it there as quickly as they do. I worked at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia for over nine years and had the exact same commute. After all that time you notice...the switchers usually make no progress and often end up behind you. It may balance the traffic, as you say (I doubt it) but it doesn't much help the switchers.
    I think a better idea would be to stay in your lane unless you absolutely have to switch. I've even switched lanes to pass school buses and they've caught me...and those things are very slow. Again, when a school bus is in the right lane, often almost everyone goes left and the left lane bottles up. All those people are stuck there and you just move up to the back of the bus. Then, once everyone realizes the left lane isn't moving either, they try to speed up to pass the bus but they can't...their lane is moving too slowly. If they try to make it back into the right lane, they end up behind me. It even happens with slow-moving buses, so I figure I'm not going to make up any time passing an automobile.
  • ctalkctalk Member Posts: 646
    when you have two lanes like that, you are supposed to try to balance them out.

    It starts to get dangerous when people become aggressive and impatient. There were a lot of times when people would dash out onto my lane when they clearly could not. Thank god for the horn, it actually works in some cases.

    Today, I followed a Camry down my street. He was going extremely slow, and for some odd reason kept pressing the brake even when the road was clear. What made it even MORE dangerous was he kept hesitating at the stop sign, he would go and stop, go and stop. He was probably a new driver, well at least I hope he was.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    You should do that in front of a cop. That would be funny to watch him pull you over.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    Today I followed a well-worn first-generation Plymouth Voyager as it merged on to I-83. This portion of the highway is three lanes on each side. At the top of the entrance ramp, the Plymouth came to almost a complete stop...even though the outer lane was clear for entry.

    After waiting for a group of vehicles to pass (the vehicles were in the center lane and fast lane), the driver slowly cut across to the center lane, where then he drove at about 45 mph, blocking traffic.
  • davidkeith37davidkeith37 Member Posts: 30
    If a person has a gun, a badge, a uniform, a recently calibrated speedometer,many hours of training, and the ability to judge local traffic flow and not just a civilian in a 10 year old Buick with cruise control set on 4 mph below max speed limit, just to be on the safe side, and lots of luck maintaining even that on the uphill run then I say be a speed control officer. Arizona's Interstates are filled with these self righteous self appointed traffic enforcement officers. They are best handled by a pass on the right leaving them basking in their tooth clenched glory going the cruise control setting of 71 in the 75 mph zone.
  • nhsjrnhsjr Member Posts: 15
    I am a Tractor Trailer Driver. I started in this miserable business in 1991. Every day I wake up hoping it's been a bad nightmare. I have over 2 million miles without Ticket, Accident or service failure of any kind. I find the vast majority of drivers operate their car's in a better than reasonable way. I Allow people to make a mistake without any immature retaliation, I expect the same from others. Everyone want's stuff on the shelf when they go to the store. The Trucking business is pure greed and misery, the evidence is that over 100% of truck drivers quit in less than 1 year, I can promise it has nothing to do with Driving. I thank everyone that has observed another person make a mistake wile driving and was/is mature enough to "let it go"
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    The GPS transponder mounted above your cab, via satellite, has tamed quite a few former "cowboys". Since their advent over ten years ago, trucking is now significantly safer for all. Credit the trucking insurance companies for coming up with that one.

    Now, if only we could get the Canadian and Mexican trucks to follow suit. :D
  • nr9nr9 Member Posts: 55
    if you are a good switcher, you will get there a lot faster.

    Here's how it works

    As soon, as your lane starts slowing down about 10 cars ahead, start switching.
    Then the other lane will speed up, and then switch after it starts slowing down.

    I do that and usually get there like in 1/4th the time if I dont switch
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    That is a no no and can get you a big fine in some areas. There are signs on the road the specifically address it and prohibit it. Some tailgaters have had brake jobs done on them in certain parts of the country. Anyone that tailgates regularly is playing Russian Roulette. You have to be pretty stupid to consider that type of behavior normal.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Because I used to commute at the same time and same route 98% of the time, I recognized many cars. Ones that I identified as inconsiderate tailgaters, I would let around in fog or blowing or steady snow after they tailgated me as described earlier. Then I'd stay back and turn on the high beams to add light in the particles in the air making it more difficult to see. But first I'd stay right on their tail so they could have the aggravation for a while.

    What goes around comes around--right back to them.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 2zmax2zmax Member Posts: 140
    On the way to work, I came across a brand new Chrysler minivan, on I-283. It was going about 65-70 but it was not in either lane – It was between the two! It was lightly swerving as well. I gave it some room, but looking how the situation was getting out of control I sounded my horn and flashed my lights. The van driver hit the brakes and swerved into the right lane. As I was passing the van on the left, the woman driver gave me a finger and was shouting and signaling with her hands – letting me know that she is ” on the phone”. I saw them put on make-up, while drinking coffee and driving before, but this was a new one. :sick:
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    ...when they give you the finger when they're clearly in the wrong!

    Personally, I think a woman should think twice about giving the finger to a man. She could be putting herself at grave risk.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I don't think it's a good idea to mess with truck drivers. I don't like when they ride on my bumper either (I think some do it for sport -- "let's see how close I can get to shake them up").

    But they're a lot bigger than you, and it wouldn't surprise me if some of them (especially owner-operators) carry shotguns with them.

    If I'm in the fast lane and one comes up on me (especially going downhill), I'll speed up (within reason) to get out of their way. In the slow lane, I just let them go around me.

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  • 2zmax2zmax Member Posts: 140
    While not a lot of trucks are involved in accidents, they are major contributors to accidents with fatalities. From my many highway miles, I've seen lot's of truckers that drove like there is no tomorrow. In one trip from Philly couple of years back on the I-76, a Semi was tailgating me during the snow storm. I was going 50 mph max in the right lane, the left lane was clear but it was not plowed, so the trucker kept pushing me. Finally he passed me and sped up. Eventually the traffic came to a stop and 30 min. later we discovered the truck on its' side. He crashed into an SUV and totally obliterated it. I wasn't sure whether anyone survived in it. I know one thing, when it comes to those giants - I stay as far away as I can. You don't have a chance against those monsters.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Unfortunately, some truckers are totally irresponsible, like the one you mentioned. And when they tangle with passenger vehicles, it's the occupants of the latter who almost always lose.

    Why in this day and age are so many truckers still paid by the mile and/or load? It just gives them more incentive to speed and not take proper rest breaks.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    In the 8/15-8/18/05 time frame, I went across the Highway I 10 E in the great state of Texas with a 5 day stop in New Orleans. I was keeping up with a fully loaded (seemed to be anyway).tractor trailer rig. For some reason a pick up truck was in the mix for a while and every time the tractor trailer rig pulled to the passing lane to pass this yahoo pulled in front to "pass" also. This guy either was very aware of the truck's power and torque ban width and wanted to piss him off or was utterly clueless. This guy had brass body parts as I observe him slightly in front of this tractor trailer both going 95 mph. I really don't know why this guy didnt let the truck pass and then pass the truck later when the power and band width would dictate. I did and it was absolutely smooth sailing. Aint nothing like sharing the road with a fast moving truck.
  • 2zmax2zmax Member Posts: 140
    "Aint nothing like sharing the road with a fast moving truck. "

    Aint nothing like getting crushed by the fast moving truck either! ;)

    Trucks shouldn't be allowed to go faster than 70. They can go fast; they just can't stop on time. I've seen 2 pileups - in both cases trucks did 90% of the damage.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."Aint nothing like getting crushed by the fast moving truck either! ;)"...

    Which was one of the reasons for my post. :)
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Anyone that tailgates regularly is playing Russian Roulette. You have to be pretty stupid to consider that type of behavior normal.

    My state's rules of the road considers tailgating as agressive driving. It is especially inconsiderate and rude when a tailgater comes up on a rear of a left lane car passing a right lane line of slower cars, 18-wheelers, and the left laner may already be going 10-15 over the limit. I guess the tailgater wants to go 20+ over the limit. I do not want to quarrel with them on their need for speed - this is best left to the authorities - but these tailgaters (idiots would be too kind of a term) need to be told somehow about their very dangerous behavior. Best practice for safe and sane drivers is to move over as soon as possible and let the tailgeter(s) by.

    I have observed, as most on this board no doubt have, from the right lane, tailgaters at less than a car length behind left lane traffic going perhaps 75-80 MPH. And, it is common in rush hour to see a parade of these left lane tailgaters, perhaps 5-8 vehicles, each following within a car-length or less.

    Not that anyone here would condone speeding, but a driver in a Porsche 911 going 90 MPH on an empty interstate is far far (infinitely) less dangerous than the tailgaters, especially the tailgater parade.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I have observed, as most on this board no doubt have, from the right lane, tailgaters at less than a car length behind left lane traffic going perhaps 75-80 MPH. And, it is common in rush hour to see a parade of these left lane tailgaters, perhaps 5-8 vehicles, each following within a car-length or less.

    Yeah, I see this all the time, in rush hour or on highways like the NJ Turnpike. I'm well out of the way in the far right lane, where things are usually less crazy.

    I guess if the lead guy sneezes (or his cell phone starts ringing), they all bump into each other!
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Many interstates actually have slower speed limits for trucks, but they tend to go as fast as cars.
    Just remember that if one does get mad at you, you can get away pretty quickly unless you drive a moped. Then just leave them behind. You can out accelerate and outbrake and out maneuver them. They are just big and clumsy, so if you end up in a scrape with a truck, remember to use your advantages. Don't expect a gigantic truck to stop if you do a brake check. That's why I stopped doing brake checks. The slowly slowing down trick is much safer and effective.
    But I have an adorable doggy now. I don't usually get into the mix when he's along. He's so precious. Since we're on the subject, though, how often do you see a mini-van (or other appropriate vehicle) flying by at 15-25 miles an hour (or more) over the speed limit with a family inside? My brother-in-law tailgates when his wife and kids are in the car. What is wrong with these people? I never mess with anyone when I have loved ones in the car. I don't want to be responsible. I don't want to live the rest of my life with guilt.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I once got into a rather heated argument with my boss at work who asserted that no one ever gets within a car length of a car in front of them at highway speeds!

    Yeah, right. I've noticed that so-called forward-control vehicles (like older vans, where the driver sits in the crush zone) tend to follow the most closely.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I never make eye contact.
    I'd rather not give the 'enemy' the satisfaction and it just takes too much time and effort. I keep my eyes on the road, where they belong. If I have to give them the finger, or if they have to give me the finger, then my actions weren't clear enough. And I don't really care if they're upset. They probably deserved it.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Or, God forbids, a deer runs out into the road. All it takes it a bird, or deer, or dog, or a piece of junk on the highway and it's like dumb dominoes time. The way I figure, if these people drive like this all the time, I hope they do have a multi-car pile up. Either it will teach them something, or it will get them off the road for a while. Nature has a way of showing us our foolishness...all of us.
    Like I tell my mother...we all do stupid things on the road, we all have accidents, and there are so many ways to get hurt or killed in a car. There is no reason to stack the deck against yourself.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Multivehicle pileups due to tailgating almost always are in the "left" lane. They rarely happen in the right or middle lanes on the interstates. It's the aggressive drivers.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I notice a lot of truck drivers are on cell phones where it's obvious they are holding one or talking into the air. They seem to be much safer about their useage than the typical soccer mom. I observed truckers today as I made my trek to Cincy in the right hand lane. No tailgating -- not even by a truck who wanted to go faster than 60. They were able to pass easily. I was among a few trucks and box trucks going the 5 over in the right lane.

    I had a few drivers cruise along behind me in the comfort zone. Even one lady in a Matrix followed for several miles. Then went around.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Just remember that if one does get mad at you, you can get away pretty quickly unless you drive a moped. Then just leave them behind. You can out accelerate and outbrake and out maneuver them. They are just big and clumsy,

    Remember a thriller movie about 30 years ago with Dennis Weaver shot in desert and mountains out west. Dennis somehow aggravated a driver of an old and dirty gasoline tanker and that driver chased and stalked him for the length of the movie. This tanker somehow (a movie) kept up with Dennis on the highways.

    But, there is really not much point in getting truckers mad at you in the first place. Just let it go. Most of them are pretty decent folks I think.
  • 2zmax2zmax Member Posts: 140
    Wasn't that a Duel ? First movie by Steven Spielberg ?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    I believe was the title. Dennis was drivng a 6 cyl Dart of some kind. He would have gotten away but he was too cheap (or afaid to take the time) to cheange his frayed fan belt, which isn't a good idea in the desert.

    Maybe somewhat relevant, but some of those trucks that lived out west could go pretty damn fast once they got a head of steam up (cruising across the vast flatlands). Especially if they were unloaded. Not too fast up the hills though.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    no fair. You got your post in first. At least I put in some detail!

    I remember it was an early movie by a director that later became real famous. I just couldn't remember which one.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I remember the film. Pretty ridiculous unless that truck was powered by rockets. Even if a tractor trailer can catch you on a downhill, he'll never be able to corner as well as a passenger car. Mr. Weaver needs to trade in his car.
    I can hold of a tractor trailer for over 1/4 mile riding my bicycle from a dead stop. They're not that quick.
    You've probably seen it in movies and TV shows before...someone with a little sporty car, or a sports car, and the hero finds a delivery truck and chases.
    It was realistic when I was nine years old. Now it's just cinema.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Yep, it was Spielberg.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067023/
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Pretty ridiculous unless that truck was powered by rockets. Even if a tractor trailer can catch you on a downhill, he'll never be able to corner as well as a passenger car.

    But "he" does not have to catch you himself. Remember, they have powerful CB radios, satellite phones, cell phones, etc., to use to call good buddies (some in pickups) that can intercept.
  • larneslarnes Member Posts: 59
    As I recall, the truck was a single trailer tanker. No doubt empty. That would explain it's speed capability. Weaver's car was having problems on the inclines which is when the truck was able to catch up to him. I felt the story was well done and realistic, although it was never found out why the truck driver started terrorizing him.

    Around here, in WA state, logging trucks fly, empty or loaded. And they handle surprisingly well. I see no reason why an empty tanker couldn't do the same. Just a two-cent opinion.

    Larry
  • 2zmax2zmax Member Posts: 140
    I talked to a buddy of mine who is an ex-trucker, just 5 min ago (he works with me in the same office).. He told me that these trucks handle very well when empty. And they have so much power that they can easily outrun most sedans (when empty).
    It's all about being in the right gear and about knowing the terrain.
    I think that playing cat/mouse with these monsters is not worth it. I would normally stay away from them, especially if I have my wife and daughter with me.
  • black_tulipblack_tulip Member Posts: 435
    But most trucks are electronically speed governed, therefore, even if the empty ones can quickly speed up, they will not be able to match the top speed of sedans.
    Just stating a fact, not trying to advocate playing games with these big rigs.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686
    I dunno, this whole line of discussion is far too passive-aggressive for me! It is one thing to drift slower when someone is tailgating you to encourage them to move on, but it is quite another to zip away and make a "game" out of it. :confuse:

    Speaking of trucks and the "cut-throat"ness of the trucking industry, though, I remember that on my "meet the folks" trip across the lower 48 back in '99, 90% of the vehicles on the road between 2300 and 0500 were typically tractors - especially from Montana through Wisconsin. One night, at about 0300, I came across a tractor that was precariously drifting from one lane to the other and back, occasionally taking the liberty to explore the shoulders as well. I was driving my old '69 Chevy C20 at the time (which as pretty good acceleration at highway speeds) and was slowly catching up to this guy. I was tired at 0300 after about 18 hours behind the wheel, but this kind of stuff brings you back to 100% alertness! I woke up my wife and asked her to watch the cab as we passed, and then took an opportune moment to zip past it. She said the driver's head looked like it was bobbing up and down (falling asleep), so as soon as we were ahead of the truck I blew the horn for several seconds to try and catch his attention. He double-flashed his lights at me and then pulled off the road and stopped.

    He was driving a UPS truck, probably headed to Chicago (have you seen the HUUUUGE facility they have there?!), and I like to think that I possibly did him and many customers a favor that night.... I was very glad to see that he took the initiative to pull over and rest. I followed suit at the next rest area and put a couple hours of zzzzz's under the belt before heading back out!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    But most trucks are electronically speed governed, therefore, even if the empty ones can quickly speed up, they will not be able to match the top speed of sedans.

    The truck in Duel looked like it was an independent operator. Don't think that the independents today would bother putting a speed governor on their own rigs.

    If I recall correctly, the truck driver in Duel was respectful of a school bus with children. But, must have been something about a 6-cylinder wimpy red Mopar that ticked this guy off. Don't think he would have terrorized a Challenger or a Duke Boys Charger of that era.
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