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It does help to 'know people' here, for sure. Having lived here for eleven years and befriending some cops through work has gotten me out of a few tickets. Unfortunately, there's almost nothing to be done about towing.
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Were the people doing quick lane changes in front of coming from the right, after they had passed you on the right ?
As far as I am concerned, if someone is going to get a couple of feet off my bumper, they have by action physically threatened me. If they are going to do that, then they have to deal with the consequences.
Simple logic: If your actions are putting your life at risk, minimize the risk. If this means not being a LLC, so be it.
BTW there is no indication that he was a LLC. I just asked two questions. However , this was by accounts not an isolated case.
All together now! HI my name is Mr/Ms HOST, I am a LLC! Hi Mr/Ms/ HOST!
Huh?
"Simple logic: If your actions are putting your life at risk, minimize the risk. If this means not being a LLC, so be it."
"LLC is a bit like drinking too much alchohol. You can NEVER start to change behavior unless you 1) realize 2) admit"
Like I have said in previous posts, the tailgating crap happens to me when I am going 15-20mph over the speed limit and the right lane is full of traffic. So I am not LLCing.
You want to be a jerk and get 2-3 feet off my bumper in this situation - you will pay the consequences.
That is why I pass someone with that kind of reactionary attitude on the right. My take is very simple: if an LLC is not moving out of the way when I am legally following at 2 seconds behind, you know,one mississippi two mississippi , he is telling me in effect he is a LLC. That is when I start the passing manuveur No need at all to get to 2-3 ft off a LLC's rear bumber for this to sink in.
(do you speed up when someone is passing you on the right?)
It is funny how LLC's go ballistic when they get passed on the right!
You get angry that someone will not move over so you can speed. If I come up behind someone camped in the left lane, I will pass on the right - no big deal. Would it be easier if the person moved over? Yes. Is it easy to switch lanes and pass on the right? Yes.
Your argument: LLCing is wrong and against the law.
My argument: Yes it is, so is speeding. But who cares? I do not care if you want to speed. But should a driver in the left lane have to inconvenience themselves (or do anything) to assist you in speeding? I do not think so. As long as the person is not purposely blocking you (i.e. camping at the same speed as right lane traffic), then you should not have any complaints. That is unless you are a selfish "me first" hothead.
Do not get me wrong, I am not against speeding. I love to get my car up around 90-95. I just dislike morons who think it is their "right" to have every other car move over when they want to go faster.
Funny how many of these hotheads will also come up in a left lane when there are no cars in the right lane. I guess they are LLCing as well.
I speed all the time and everywhere. If there were no revenue collectors on the road, I would probably travel at 80-95 on a regular basis.
YOU may think that is true, but the truth is that it is FAR from the truth. The truth is that driving while ANGRY is probably FAR worse than driving under the influence! (not that I condone driving under the influence)
"Your argument: LLCing is wrong and against the law."
Perhaps one is forgetting that the reason for "slower traffic keep right" is to aid in forward progress?
"I would probably travel at 80-95 on a regular basis. "
On interstates in this area,45-50 passenger tour buses with onboard bathrooms go 80 mph in the #1 lane!!
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I agree that driving angry is dangerous. As you said, you will pass on the right. I do not think you and I would ever have any conflict on the road.
However, most tailgaters do get angry.
I really do not give a crap what other drivers do (not that I do not pay attention to them). They should be able to go about their business, as should I (I will get angry at the guy on the cell phone, regardless of which lane he is in, if he is not paying attention to traffic). However, at high speeds, if someone wants to try parallel parking right behind me, I do care.
OK ! OK ! Nobody is a LLC !!! So to all you LLC's would you mind moving over to your OTHER LEFT?
. Oh yeah, don't tailgate me or there will be dire consequences. I'll get on my cell phone and report your butt.
Obviously you are not listening to what I have said. Anyone else can drive however fast they want - I am not out to limit speeds.
"Oh yeah, don't tailgate me or there will be dire consequences. I'll get on my cell phone and report your butt."
Cellphone? No. I carry many better things in my vehicle.
I have post - it notes on my windshield. One says "left," It's on the driver's side.
The one on the passnger's side reads "other Left."
I am going to drive perpendicular to traffic and block all three lanes.
With all this talent, it should be a cinch to move over to your other left?
I'm not so sure I came close to you though, I probably had two seconds before I would have tagged you.
j/k I know it wasn't you. But if the dottering old man in a hat who was driving this car is reading these boards, time to sell the car and get the kids or grandkids to drive you around.
TB
And to some older drivers, ditzes, retards, etc... You'd think the following tip would be common sense but after my commute to work the other day I know better. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... If you get lost, don't stop in the middle of a left turn to try to get your bearings. Dont stop in a lane that's still moving to try to sort things out. Don't pull a dangerous stunt in crowded traffic to correct a mistake. I see it all the time travelling to the mall I work. People coming to a dead stop at the worst times or making dumb U-turns, when the simple fact is nearly all nearby roads are accessable from the mall and if they'd just pull into the parking lot and stop and think for 5 seconds they'd realize there's any number of ways to retrace their steps.
Or the other day when I was behind a newish Corvette for about two miles on Clark Street (one of the busiest north-south thoroughfares), this one had an Ohio plate and was travelling about 18mph, with traffic backed up for blocks (normal speed on Clark=~25-35mph).
The newest phenomenon here: Cab drivers on cell phones. Picture it: someone who drives like a moron on a deserted island with an additional distraction.
YMCA, YMCA
Left Lane campers... I can easily see how some might not even realize what they do. They start out in the left lane passing 1 or two slower cars. Then they see another slower car they're gaining on abou 100 yards down the road, so why bother to get over when you'll be passing him eventually. Then beyond him you see there's another slow car about a quarter mile down the road. So it really makes no sense to waste effort getting to the right when you'll be back in the left lane in another couple minutes. And hey... even after him, there's BOUND to be another slow car, so why not just stay right where you are so you're already in position to pass when you come to him. HEck, might as well just stay right here in the left lane. Every time you get to the right you'll always come to a slower car, so why bother?
Did you hear about the LLC that was so slow, the other LL campers knew he was a LLC ?
They all denied they were doing it, of course, even that old fart wearing the hat.
Where's Vero? Left Ann Arbor yesterday @ 3:30 for my first long-term road trip. Ouch. Integra seats not like Oldsmobile seats.
Anyway, from Lansing northwards to the Mackinac Bridge, I was going 80-90 mph first stretch and 95-105 after I passed Grayling/Gaylord. GT Dream! Let the GM Card Grand Prix Club kick everyone out of the left lane (happened twice or thrice) and lived my GT Dream. Sun shining, dry pavement, and I got gas in Houghton lake @ 6:00 (ouch... my bones... two-and-a-half-hours of Integra seats... ouch!) because when you leave the city with half a tank of gas in a 13-gallon gas tank, and you're running at 87 mph with air on, you're gonna need to get gas sometime... oops like now! oh crap, where's the nearest station?
Didn't plan on that at all, but that's why I left Thursdays... no cops, no LLCers, just me following the Radar Blocker (red Escalade) @ his cruising speed of 88 mph. I'm just angry I had to get off to get fuel before he did!
No jerks. Just right. All 330 miles of it... except for campers... RVs... ugh? ugh. But the Escalade, the Montana, the Grand Prix... we got him to move over! No LLCing for you, pal.
Three examples of the things that really get me cooking:
1) LLC's. Two weeknds ago I drove up the NYS Thruway from near its beginning in Westchester County to Kingston (exit 19). Just after crossing the Tappan Zee bridge a Honda Civic passed me in the left lane going probably 65 mph - it was a 55 mph limit and I was in the right doing probably 60. That Civic stayed in the left lane until I exited at Kingston (probably 55 -60 miles later).When I was exiting he continued ahead in the left lane - God knows for how much longer.
During the period I was near this car I remained in the right lane. When the speed limit went up to 65 I continued along at 68 mph in cruise. This guy would sometimes speed up a little and get a few lengths ahead, then slow down and fall well back so I could barely see him in the rearview mirror. All the while every car and 18-wheeler that came up on him had to pass him on the right, Some were screaming over at him as they did so, a lot waving, some flashing high beams, some passing him then getting back in the left lane and hitting their brakes to give him a message. One 18-wheeler stayed about 18" behind him hitting the trumpet and flashing his lights for what must have been several miles, then passed on the right waying and slewing allover the place. The whole time the driver, his female front seat passenger and M/F rear seat passengers were jsut totally non-responsive to what was going on around them. They were talking, gesturing and having a wonderful ride in the country. I wouldn't have reacted as childishly as some of the drivers that were going crzy over the situation, but I had to really hate the stupid brain-dead Honda Civic driver. It was embarassing to have to admit someone llike that was a member of my species.
2. Folks who suddenly stop on long entry ramps when there is not reason to stop. This pet peave of mine is a biggie in terms of the many ramps and interchanges I have to negotiate on the way to work. More of the brain-dead!!
3. Homeboys who recline their seat backs so far their heads are in the back seat area (you actually see their heads through the rear door windows of their cars when you are next to them). I really don't mind it from a personal style view (hey, if it's cool why not?), but that driving position is a hazard. Three recent examples: a. Daytime - I see a back-seater (that's what I call them) in left lane. Ambulance comes up from behind with lights flashing but no siren. The back-seater could not see it in the mirror and just stayed there for about 5 minutes until the ambulance was finally able to pass. As the ambulance passes him on the right the back-seater jerkedly pulls himself upright, looks around in a confused manner and practically crashes into the ambulance; b. On way home from work yesterday a rear-seater passes me in a 55 mph zone going close to 70, and in this case I actually see no head anywhere in the car. He is being followed about 2 car lenghts behind by County Police. They move on ahead at this speed the 2 vehicles almost stuck to each other until they're out of sight. I come around a curve and they cop is ticketing the driver who actually looks like he's quite tall. Apparently in the cool back-seat slouch mode the driver didn't see the cop; c. I came up on a back-seater recently who was also a LLC. I hit the horn when I was about 20 feet behind him. He grabbed the steering wheel to pull himself up so he could actaully see what was going on around him (something I think you should be able to do at any time when you are driving) and in the process jerks the wheel around so the car starts moving all over the road; d. Going upstate in the center lane of a three-lane road. Back-seater is in the left lane going almost exactly my speed but about 30 feet ahead of me. For a mile or so there are frequent "left lane ends" signs, each telling you the distance until the lane ends. I see no signs of the guy moving over, so I slow down in case he makes a last minute dart into my lane. Instead, he drives straight ahead as the lanes ends, up the curb and scrapes the side of his newish Integra along the guard rail. Immediately where there was no body or head to be seen, a form pulls itself into view amazed at what is happening. Now I know they can't even see what's going on in front of them.
Enough!
Well, hell-, as you said! Welcome to your new home. Remember, it's all been said before, and better yet, if you continue to post dissertations like that, you'll be fortunate if more than 64.8% of posters read what you write.
Actually, I did recline the seat in my Integra slightly yesterday. Not very comfortable for long trips! I just tilted it back slightly from 95-degrees to something like 100-degrees. 45-mph construction zones not exactly fun.
Not to pick on New York people or anything. I mean, there's always Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, etc. plates to get around safely. Whew. Oh, and how could I forget Florida?
Strangely enough, Ontario and Texas seem to send their best drivers ourways. Ontario and Pennsylvania types are close enough to Michigan types in driving behavior, so, usually no problem with them. They come through looking for less -cluttered roads that are fast, it seems.
By and large, cars in the two lanes were traveling side by side with an almost non existent speed differential.
Middle lane: People who are courteous enough to avoid left lane campong but also don't want to be in the right lane because they don't want to have to get over or slow down every time other cars enter the highway. OFten these are the scared old people who will be driving along at 50 hunched over the wheel while cars pass them on both sides and nearly colide as they move back into the middle lanes in front of them.
Right lane: For people who ctually wanted to actively pass slower traffic this was the only option left. Usual procedure: zoom along on the right until you approached a merging lane, jumping to the middle lane to let merging cars on, jump once again to the left lane when an LLC lets his guard down for just one second and leaves a gap, then repeating the procedure in reverse to get back to the far right de facto passing lane and continue at their comfort speed.
All that chaos, cars jumping across 2 or 3 lanes at a time, moving into the same lane from both directions, and because some clueless dimwitts either don't care about the trouble they cause or are totally clueless to what goes on behidn them in traffic. I swear with god as my witness right now, my next truck will have fog lights, over head lights, and maybe a police spotlight on the driver's side windshield for good measure. I WILL be burning some retinaes.
In the cities, there were typically no lane markers, just one-way roads roughly 3-5 car widths wide. And it was every man for himself. Buses and taxis were randomly stopped all over the road letting people into their vehicles. People swerving all over to get to the next light. Not to mention the immense pollution being spewed by most of the vehicles.
Then, on the rural mountain roads (which were typically only 2 lane), a solid yellow line meant practically nothing. If you were going too slow in front of someone they would tailgate, and if they didn't see anyone coming the other way, they passed you. Period. I'm not just talking little sports cars either--buses, big rigs, you name it, they passed on solid yellow. You definitely had to be on your toes. And it's not like they never had broken yellow lines painted. In fact, they were quite liberally present. But if they wanted to get around, they got around.
The weird thing was that, with one exception (a passing big rig almost head-on-ed a pickup), road rage never seemed present. When someone was passing (even on solid yellow), they usually gave a courtesy honk to let you know they were going around, and the other person would slow down or even wave. They took their driving seriously, but not personally.
2) IF I am in the process of passing another car, nobody else should be able to dictate how quickly I do so. If I decide I want to pass slowly enough that I can look over at the slower car's paint and pick out each and every individual scratch, I should be able to do so. If I decide that I want to pass slowly enough to see the other driver aging right before my eyes, I should be able to do so. Because the fact is, I should not have to be bothered to wake up from my day dreams and disable my cruise control long to pass at a speed that exceeds to rotation of the earth and get out of everyone's way.
3) Sometimes I get very important calls on my mobile phone, and goddarnit, I should be able to get into the lane that requires me to change lanes or turn my head as little as possible. This way I can hear my friend Buffy tell me about the traumatic operation her French poodle just had to repair injuries incurred while falling on the ground as she attempted to jump out of Buffy's Ford Excursion in the mall parking lot without having to concentrate too much on the road.
Everyone else just needs to slow down to 5 below the speed limit, same as me.
5) I have no problem with getting to the left, setting the cruise, and staying there for miles at a time at exactly the speed limit. But if I reach a very long gap in the right lane that might possibly allow frustrated drivers stuck behind me to pass, I suddenly feel a very strong motivation to accelarate to 10 above the speed limit to close the gap with traffic in front of me and maintain my sense of pride that nobody gets in front of me without my say-so.
> * Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles; even if the gun's
> loaded and the deer is in sight.
> * When approaching a four-way stop, the vehicle with the largest tires
> always has the right of way.
> * Never tow another car using hose and duct tape.
> * When sending your wife down the road with a gas can, it is impolite
> to ask her to bring back beer.
> * Do not lay rubber while traveling in a funeral procession.
1. Your brake lights are out!!!
2. Slow traffic keep right
3. Expletive
4. Expletive
5. Custom message key
I'll let you all know when I've got the thing figured out and am ready to take orders:-)
PS - If you see me LLC, it probably means I'm composing a message for my rear window display. Please be patient, I'll be finishing up soon and will then move to the right.