Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    "...I bet a 69 Ford at 110 gets about 3mpg..."

    It was 1972 and gas was 33 cents a gallon...who cared! ;)

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    "...There were some Firestone tires in the 70's...May have been called "500s". Is that what happened to them?..."

    Boy that rings a bell. My buddy was a Firestone fan. In our case the treads came off like a bad retread. They were brand new tires though, I think less than a week old.

    My friend was really mad that the expensive tires he had just bought fell apart after only 200 miles at high speed. I think he complained and got a new set free.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,720
    IIRC I had Michelins at the time and had replaced the Firestone "Wide Ovals" with Michelins (not knowing the "ovals" meant the lack of roundness for the tire) and had sworn I'd never own another Firestone tire. I was at the tire shop when someone came in with tires that were chunking their bits of tread on their trip North from somewhere several hundred miles South.

    IIRC Firestone "stone"-walled until most tires had been replaced before they gave in to a recall. Set a precedent for automakers to stonewall as long as they can; never admit a problem.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Didn't firestone have serious problems with tires back in the 1970s?

    Even if they didn't tires back then that weren't designed for high performance probably didn't do well at a 100 plus MPH for nearly two hours straight.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Do you remember what was in the car? A 302 or 351 I'd guess...I suppose if maintained, those engines should be able to not be too destroyed by triple digit speeds.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I am glad this is most likely the last weekend we will have to deal with leaf peepers from New York. I just made a quick 15 minute round trip into downtown and was nearly hit five times by people with New York plates.
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Member Posts: 518
    LOLOL.... so it is we New Yorkers.... lolol
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    "...what was in the car? A302 or 351 I'd guess..."

    Funny, I do remember. It was a 302, the same engine I have in my Ford F-150. Hard to believe they've been making them that long.

    My dad had a 1965 LTD with the 351 engine that seemed fast to me as a kid. To bad the transmission was junk.

    Just to get back on topic I guess I was an "inconsiderate driver" as a teen with all the nonsense I pulled.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    I'm probably considered "inconsiderate" by many today...as I run stuck stoplights, I often drive 5-10 over (but rarely more than that anymore, I must be slowing down), and I will make obscene gestures at those yapping on the phone and driving.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    "...One can only hope that these youngsters..."

    That's about all we can do, HOPE. When you are young and feel immortal you will do dumb things to test your limits. The fact that they are dumb doesn't seem to enter your thinking.

    Perhaps that's the wisdom of hindsight.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    "It's rare that I get above 80 these days.

    We ALL Thank you for that. ;)
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Member Posts: 518
    Geeze, it must be great to be you!
  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Member Posts: 248
    FINTAIL, I CONSIDER YOU A HERO. I BET YOU ARE'NT THE CAUSE OF MANY TRAFFIC JAMS OR STUPID BACKUPS ON THE ROAD THESE DAYS :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Ha...well...thanks, I think :P

    I am not a LLC anyway.

    Speaking of that, I have noticed a new stereotypical slow vehicle. We all know Camrys have been replacing Buicks for the doddering/errant set...now my area seems to be seeing more slow moving Lexus. Just this morning - late model IS, 40mph road 4 lane, older woman driving...she was in the left lane and couldn't have been going over 30. Not a care in the world. Then I drove up to my beloved stoplight, which was stuck for the billionth time. So, I went through red after waiting a bit (the IS wasn't even close to catching up) and then got behind a current style RX on an on-ramp. Posted at 45, I came up behind him at about 45, when he was going maybe 35. He must have just been in a daze though, as I saw him notice me, and then he jumped on it and took off. Luckily he took another course so I did not have to merge following him.

    I notice Lexus pylons are easy to spot in the dark, as they have reflectors low on the rear bumper.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,234
    I just filled up my Vauxhall Corsa Diesel and for the first time paid 99.9pence per litre - It will hit £ 1.00 within days here in London.... Lucky I get about ten miles per litre consumption I suppose...
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Can you convert that into standard for us American Heathens?


    I am too lazy to do it.
  • pulgopulgo Member Posts: 400
    37.6 MPG.

    Shouldn't a Corsa Diesel be getting more like 47 MPG???
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,234
    Is that right ? I suppose that is primarily down to my heavy right foot and the fact most of my driving is in town.
    EDIT
    Actually I've just tried to work this out and I make it about 45 mpg - but I'm no mathematician
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    Today I followed a guy who went so slow that I think he was parked. I was traveling down a country road with a 30mph speed limit (which was slow enough) when I came up behind a mini van doing 15mph.

    At first I thought he was looking for an address but he passed all the houses and continued his slo-mo down the road. I couldn't pass due to a solid yellow line.

    Finally after several miles he pulled into a rural church parking lot leaving me to think that he had some explaining to do with the man upstairs. :confuse:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • pulgopulgo Member Posts: 400
    It depends. Are you using imperial or US gallons?

    1 imperial gallon is the same as 4.546 liters.

    1 US gallon equals 3.785 liters.

    I am no mathematician either, just an accountant.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    It is a rare thing when I take a vehicle much faster than a posted SL, as I usually stick within 5 or so of them. Alaska roads are typically "bad" enough that it really is not safe to do any faster than that. Just when you think you are invincible, along comes a frost heave to toss you off the road! :P

    I spent a week in north-western Pennsylvania a few days ago, and frankly most of the speed limits were artificially high. "55 mph" roads were more like 40-45 roads, but even then, as I tooled along at 55 keeping a nervous lookout to all sides, I would get local yahoos tailgating me because they wanted to go 70... then they wonder why they tag a deer every other week. One gal, a 70+ year old lady in a Ford Fusion, came up to within inches of me at 55, so I slowed to 25 and drove two miles that way. She did not seem to get it. I had a rental Mercury Grand Marquis (we had originally reserved a compact, but they did not have one nor a mid-size when we arrived, so they did a "free upgrade" to a full size). Amazingly, that thing got some astounding mileage! 477.3 miles on 14.6 gallons - about 32 miles per gallon in mixed driving!

    Anyway, flew back to Portland, OR and drove my '08 Outback to Pendleton right afterward. I had the cruise set at 70 on long, boring I-84, but I had it up to just over 100 for a moment while performing a quick passing maneuver right before a steep hill in order to not keep the big-rigs waiting as they jockeyed for position. It was so smooth, I was tempted to keep pushing it upward... :blush: However, responsible me took over and I let the car coast back down to the cruise.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    I-84 can be boring, but only East of The Dalles. The tree lined Gorge up to there is outstanding during clear weather.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    Yes, absolutely. Once one drives east of The Dalles, the road just gets flatter and straighter right up through Pendleton. Then there is Cabbage Hill and the Blue Mountains, and it picks up a bit in the interest department. Not that I mind the Columbia Basin, mind you. I really like the area and lived there for 16 years, but I-84 just is not very interesting driving.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Member Posts: 248
    Was there no way the guy couldn't pull over to the shoulder? That's just rude of him. As much as I hate the sound of a horn, I would've honked at him after a while. As a local delivery driver, I understand it can be difficult looking for an address. But I pull as far over to the right and I turn on my 4-ways as I'm getting close to where the address should be. Oldfarmer, that knucklehead deserved a blast and if it was safe, I would've passed him on the left. You're too nice of a guy.......or maybe your combine couldn't go faster than 20..just kidding.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,357
    Today I was running some errands for the wife when I met a parking lot bully. I was backing out of my spot and had gotten out about 3/4 of the way when this guy in a Scion starts out and blares his horn at me. I looked at him for a moment and when I realized that he was not going to move pulled back in and let him out. He didn't acknowledge my courtesy and took off down the row. I was going in the same direction and was behind him.

    About 300 feet down the row another car started backing out and Mr. bully lays on the horn about 5 times longer than necessary and bulldozes his way past the backing vehicle. Obviously he was an important person.

    I followed him to the end of the row where he turned left while I was going right. As he swung out I yelled "How dare we think we can drive on YOUR road!".

    As I drove away I could see him in my mirror sputtering and cursing. I waved him a "have a nice day" and continued on my way. Some times being pleasant is the nastiest thing you can do.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Member Posts: 248
    That's true....the finger does get a little old and it doesn't have the same impact anymore
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    This happened to me twice today...I'm driving down 35-45 mph suburban roads, almost no traffic...I come up on cross streets, and someone pulls out right in front of me, forcing me to brake, when there is nobody behind me for the entire line of sight, in one case at least a mile. I had my lights on too and everything...what is with this? One car was a RAV4, the other a MDX, so maybe it is the defective brains that choose fake off roaders who are kinda selfish...these cars are usually road hazards in other ways anyway.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    This happened to me twice today...I'm driving down 35-45 mph suburban roads, almost no traffic...I come up on cross streets, and someone pulls out right in front of me, forcing me to brake, when there is nobody behind me for the entire line of sight, in one case at least a mile. I had my lights on too and everything...what is with this?

    Same thing happens to us when we are hauling our horse trailer, people lose their brains when they see that coming. We've been passed, cut off, had brakes slammed on in front of us, pulled out in front of to where we had to brake harder than we wanted to in order to avoid a collision. Its not like we are driving slow! I never understand what some people are thinking.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,234
    Imperial gallons, but they only price fuel here in litres, and I only fill up every time, so I just pay what it says in pounds(£). I hadn't realised US gallons were much smaller than ours...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,094
    This happened to me twice today...I'm driving down 35-45 mph suburban roads, almost no traffic...I come up on cross streets, and someone pulls out right in front of me, forcing me to brake, when there is nobody behind me for the entire line of sight, in one case at least a mile.

    That's probably one of the inconsiderate driving acts that infuriates me the most. I remember a few years back, driving my grandma's '85 LeSabre, some slow little car (I want to say it was a Dodge Colt, but I might be thinking of another instance where a Dodge colt ran a stop sign to "beat" me, and the woman driver stuck out her tongue and started laughing, giving me a triumphant "I beat you" look) actually ran a red light to make a right turn onto the road in front of me. There was nothing behind me, as far as the eye could see. Worse, this car didn't even TRY to speed up.

    This was a two lane road, and nothing was coming the other way. So what I did could be considered unsafe, but I was covering myself. I laid into the horn, gunned it, and beared down on that little car. I was prepared to pass if I had to. But I didn't. Just as I figured, that driver really didn't want a Buick enema, so they cut over into the grass to let me pass.

    Yeah, I guess I *could* have just slowed down. But that driver *could* have just waited until I passed. It would have taken mere seconds for me to go past. Besides, maybe it'll make that driver think twice before pulling a similar stunt again and causing an accident.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,094
    this morning, I was driving to work in the rain, and a big delivery truck pulled up beside me. Motor had sort of a creepy, unearthly rumble to it. On the side was a slogan for a well-known frozen pizza brand. Anybody want to take a stab at what it said?

    "What do you want on your Tombstone?" :surprise:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,720
    >ominous...What do you want on your Tombstone?"

    That would depend on if I was driving on a dangerous stretch of road--like the Surekill Expressway?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Ha, I like your way of dealing with that twerp. Some people need to have the bejeezus scared out of them so they can learn a lesson. Something like that happened to me years ago in the fintail - an old Civic was oncoming, and decided to turn left right in front of me rather than yield. I didn't slow down, I just laid on my horn, and I could see a set of eyes get big as I missed the thing by a couple inches (I was pretty certain I wouldn't hit it). I don't know whether the fintail would have went through the tin can, or over it.

    I'll often just gun it and pass when people pull out in front of me here, even on residential streets.

    Oh, yesterday when going up a long 35mph hill, I got behind an old Isuzu Stylus (how many of those could be left?) going about 23mph in the left lane, so I passed on the right. Like clockwork, the hag driving it gunned it when I was passing. Yeah, that didn't work for her...I had to gently accelerate for about 2 seconds to be well ahead...and then she backed off.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Like clockwork, the hag driving it gunned it when I was passing.

    How dare you passing the one who owns the road. :P

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Member Posts: 248
    How about when you're on a 4 lane road, no one beside or behind you, and someone pulls out and gets in the lane you're in and not the other one? It happens all the time to me. I'll see a guy in a driveway. I'll say to myself, " Self, he's gonna pull out in front of me....and stay in my lane instead of getting in the empty one!!!" Sure as doo-doo............. :confuse:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    It's the best when they make a right turn into the (your) left lane without acknoledging your presence. On empty 4 lane suburban roads I will often drive in the left lane as I am thinking of avoiding traffic from side streets. It doesn't always work.

    Yesterday I almost got hit by some phone-yapping aging trophy wife in a Lexus RX (what else?) who didn't seem to think her lane was quite big enough. Luckily, I have a loud horn and an evil glare. She looked back at me like I had kicked the pope. You are what you drive...
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    My fellow drivers in Idaho that is:

    36 million drivers would flunk drivers tests (CNN)

    "We believe that the adoption of a uniform driver curriculum will significantly improve the driving skills of Americans"
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Doh...90%
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    Yep, I would say that pretty much follows suite with my experiences after having driven in so many of those states. Except for Alaska.... #2? I think the drivers here must not follow the "practice what you preach" mentality..... ;)
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  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    "What do you want on your Tombstone?"

    ---

    Pepperoni!!!

    :P
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    On the way to work this morning in the beautiful Puget Sound area, the sun was up, but you wouldn't know it, as there were black clouds and heavy rain... it was DARK! Still a few brave souls driving without headlights. "If it's light enough to walk, you don't need no stinking headlights". A few had parking lights on, (hey, I'm cool); some had no lights at all.

    While stopped a red light, I have a habit of watching the light for the cross traffic... it turns yellow, then red. I glance to the left. Here comes a dump truck with a trailer and he clearly has no plan to stop. He's making a left turn, so we get to wait nearly 30 seconds for his trailer to clear the light. I'm first in line, so I overtake quickly and give him a brief honk-honk, to indicate that I witnessed his transgression. He gives back a blast in reply. I can only speculate what message that was meant to convey... perhaps he was saying: "sorry to inconvenience you, hope you have a pleasant day." :)

    james
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Did you have people going 10mph in 35mph zones on Saturday because it was 35F outside, with bare and wet roads, but snow in the air?

    When we get real snow, I stay home...these people create too much risk.

    I usually leave for work about 0530, and often see cars with only parking lights on, even at that hour. I'll usually blink my lights or flash them...I've only had one person actually notice what I was meaning.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    35F indicates the possibility of entering a Freeze Zone of less than 35F causing Black Ice conditions which explains why the Safer Drivers were going slower than you. :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    There were no freeze zones, it was bit too warm (and I doubt you have formal education in meteorology nor the physics of moisture on roadways), but nice try - only moldy bait ;)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    I imagine that in city environments, lack of headlights is commonplace due to all the street lights around. I see all sorts of folks here, even now, who are driving sans headlights at 1530 when the sun is but a faint memory. We are down to about 5 hours of light now, and even mid-day light is ridiculously dim.

    I tell you though, those Toyota pickup/SUV drivers are amazingly cool with their huge amber marker lights. I have even had a couple of them flash their lights on, then back off again when reminded their lights are off! :sick:

    Do not even get me started regarding slick roads. Actually, it is not so bad. I just have to remind myself that every driver & vehicle combination is different. As long as they keep within their comfort zone and are not causing roadway pinball, they are doing just fine. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    How did you like that wind back in mid-October? I was through Seattle (I-5) on Thursday, 10/18, driving a 57' combo of a 1-ton crew cab pickup with a 35' enclosed trailer... fun day to drive a rig like that! :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    I can see that in some areas here...but with no lights of any kind, doesn't one notice a lack of dash lights? I can't imagine, I turn my lights on every time I drive, no matter the weather. With the volumes around here, it's just safer.

    I've never understood the 'cool' aspect of parking lights either...but I have heard there's something to it.

    At least your roads are actually slick when people slow down, and it isn't just paranoia. I remember during our big snow last year, I got behind an Acura MDX going up a hill, nobody in front of it, and the woman driving it decided to hit her brakes and slow way down to a crawl. I hope she eventually stopped and couldn't move again - I used the turn lane as a passing lane and went around, to retain momentum. A lot of this I will admit is from drivers who are likely new to driving in a first world nation, if not to driving as a whole.

    And about the wind - it's worse today! I'm glad I'm able to be at home today, and my car is nice and dry in its garage. Lots of flooding and some other damage with today's storm.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,761
    Well, with the dim daylight and it typically being either near-dark or dark in the mornings (when people are going to work) and the early afternoons (when people are likely to be getting out again), folks just get used to the darkness. The differences between night, dawn, mid-day, and dusk are not nearly extreme. It is like what was mentioned earlier - if it is light enough to walk, who needs lights? Granted, I take my son for a walk most nights and only use a flashlight when there is an oncoming vehicle (to alert it to our presence), so I know that it is never too dark to walk. ;)

    I agree that it is incredibly frustrating to be "stuck" behind drivers going inexplicably slow or doing things contrary to common sense.

    On my way down to Oregon driving that rig I mentioned above, I had just come out of Williams Lake, BC headed south on 97. There was a white pickup driving ahead of me, with a blue pickup behind that one. Now, keep in mind, I am driving a vehicle towing 14,000#. All through the "slow" speed limit zones, this driver is going about 10 mph over (not 10 kph, or 6.2 mph!), which is how he came to be ahead of me in the first place. We hit the open, relatively flat road, and he will not go faster than 55 mph (90 kph) in a 100 kph (62 mph) speed zone. Eventually, I caught back up to him even though I was slowed by some hills and was only going 3 mph over the speed limit. Frustrated that my already cumbersome trip was being slowed further by some yahoo, I made the decision to pass assuming I ever came to an area appropriate to do so. On this road, a two-laner, the only passing lanes tended to be on uphills, where I was slowed down by the load of the trailer.

    Anyway, by some miracle a passing zone came up that was on only a minor slope, so I took the left lane to pass. Wouldn't you know it, this monkey speeds up - to about 75 mph! Regardless of his ill-directed efforts, I still managed to put him about even with the front of my trailer when his lane ran out and he was forced to hit the brakes or eat weeds. Ironically, he rode the back of my trailer for the next mile or so (even though I was going 65 mph, 10 faster than he thought appropriate only 2 miles back) until we came to a large hill with a passing lane. He passed again on that hill as my truck slowed to about 45 mph and luckily I never saw him again.

    Driving I-5 with 40+ mph broadside gusts was a trip. And, of course, the traffic was fairly heavy. So, as the truckers and I are working hard to keep from bouncing off each other, here are all these tiny cars darting in and out all over the place. There was a crash near downtown Seattle involving a tractor-trailer and a couple cars that sent everyone into their blind start-stop mode. I put about 150' in front of me to the next vehicle and drove at about 10-15 mph the whole time. I only had to hit the brakes twice during excessively long stops where I simply ran out of road. I am not sure how the other vehicles fared, but my fuel economy was actually pretty decent through there!

    I assumed that wind storm was an unusual occurrence for Seattle; sorry to hear there are more storms, but at least you need not deal with them today!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,599
    Perhaps no lights is also a part of life where there is less traffic, and less to catch your eyes (like in Alaska). I'm sure I do some things wrong here and there...but I won't be caught with lights off.

    A person speeding up when being passed is probably the most inconsiderate act possible. I can't even imagine the mentality behind it - I've had it happen a couple times too. I'm a jerk and I won't give into them either...luckily my car is faster than anything most any non-exotic, so I don't have to worry about much. Drivers licenses are too easy to get.

    I've never had to pull a big trailer...and I don't want to! Seattle traffic is a nightmare, I avoid the place whenever I can. I've never seen such bad traffic management, especially on side roads. No sequenced lights, random speed limit changes, illogical speed traps, it's heaven.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Did you have people going 10mph in 35mph zones on Saturday because it was 35F outside, with bare and wet roads, but snow in the air?

    We had a pretty bad snow storm here saturday, had a lot of idiots driving way to slow. Was in one 50 MPH zone behind someone going 20. Sure we were having snow and rain so going slow was a good ideal but 20?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

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