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I for one keep my dash light rather dim, so it has to be getting pretty dark for me to notice if the lights were on or not just by the dash lights.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
bald is beautiful except for tires in rain or snow.
in other inconsiderate-driver news, it bugs me when a driver is signaling to turn to the right but then moves left just before the turn. or vice versa. it's as if these nudniks think they are driving 18 wheelers. catch ya later, i'm 10-7.
Isn't it a gang thing in some parts of the country to drive around with the high beams on or no lights on and when someone flashes you to go after that car and shoot them?
Or is that just an urban myth?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Wow, is that one still going around? I remember my mother warning me about that one way back around 1993! Of course, back then, in those pre-internet days, I actually believed it! I think there were actually a few instances where people actually did that, because they were inspired by the myth, but it wasn't a gang initiation rite or anything, just the copycat mentality. Or heck, even that could be a myth!
A can of Wasp and hornet spray works pretty well too, although they have to get within about 15-20 feet of you. Just keep that in mind the next time a horde of White Anglo Saxon Protestants tries to attack you. :shades:
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Probably my cousin's ex sister-in-law's brother.
Now comes the problem, as I start passing him he merges left :surprise: and I blow my horn swerve as much to the left as I can (traffic there in a left turn lane limited that option) and we collide. His left rear area had minor scrapes my front right area has a foot long dent in it right behind the lens. :sick:
Well this guy starts yelling "didn't you see my left turn signal". No I didn't see a signal but that really doesn't matter as he merged into me.
We pull over to trade information and he wants to call the police. I kept on saying lets just trade information and be on our way. But he would have none of that he wanted the police to come and make an accident report.
I tried to tell this guy if the police came it would only waste time and he would get a ticket. He got the ticket.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Boy, lucky he didn't listen to you. Always get a police report. If you don't you risk receiving legal papers a year from now claiming you were drunk and hit a van load of nuns!
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I tried to tell this guy if the police came it would only waste time and he would get a ticket. He got the ticket.
Snake, he actually did you a favor...from an insurance POV. For many insurance companies it becomes easier to assign responsibility if there was a summons issued to one driver or another.
Personally, if I have a "we take care of our own" fender bender, then there is no exchange of info... not necessary. If I have info being exchanged, then I want a police report... in fact, in NYC I believe it is required.
Not only that but it would also have been reported to the insurance company no matter what.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
In most cases the insurance companies (in this case just one company as we are both insured with the same company) uses may things to determine responsibility. In this case the damage to the vehicles supports my story and would make him the one responsible.
in fact, in NYC I believe it is required.
In Illinois an accident report is required but that can be filled out by the drivers. Actually the one the police officer filled out is incomplete and requires us to complete it. By law we have 10 days to file it.
Anyway the summons is going to be dismissed as I will not take time off of work to show up to court.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I even wakes up dozing truckers!
I found it at http://www.wolohornsusa.com/ and it sounds fantastic.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
What part of town were you in when Corolla Carla almost caused a crash?
I like to use general ignorance as the excuse though, I think it is more common around here.
I don't mean to dwell on the DUI issues, but I was surprised to read in passing, just how common dui is! I read one statistic/estimate where the average person so called "caught" for DUI, had app 2000 past (dui) situations where he/she was NOT caught!!??
I find that hard to believe, 2000 past situations would require driving DUI every day for 5 and a half years before getting caught. Doesn't pass the sniff test.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's funny. So, is this story in line with title of board, "Inconsiderate Drivers, share your stories"? :P
Will have to check out that horn at F&F later today. Still have a little silliness of early youth stunts and candid camera left in me that has not been wrung out by my proper wife.
Thats like saying its not against the law to kill someone its just against the law to kill someone and get caught. Its against the law to drive under the influence, just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right.
They just drink and and then drive as part of their daily activities. So being as how it is pretty normal for folks to drink at least one a day, (EVERY day) driving 5 years and then getting caught is within the realm of possibility, indeed by definition, not out of the ordinary.
Well I think you have problems with this. First of all my guess is that most people do not take a drink every day. Secondly for most people one drink is not enough to push them over the limit for a DUI. And not everyone is driving right after they drink. So your statement isn't to founded in facts. So I serioulsy doubt there would be many people who fall into the every day pool, most would be 2 times or less a week.
Another is anything under 6 drinks per day is not a huge concern to health care professionals.
Not to sure about that, my sister (an MD) would disagree with you as would my doctor.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Did you see me making any claims that it is at all RIGHT?? I am just discussing REALITY.
Well I am sure they will tell you a lot of folks do EXACTLY as I had said and if they are drinking more than what I said, would probably tell (as per your example) your sister (the MD) and YOUR doctor differently.
Just by your response " ...for most people one drink is not enough to push them over the limit for a DUI"... CLEARLY indicates you agree with my quoted statements.
So in truth, I don't have a problem with any of this, but I do know that there are a lot of folks who drive "under the influence." I'd be foolish if I drove without this in mind. The government figures also indicate that fully 40% of accidents and fatal accidents involve alcohol. So on a graphic basis, that means of every 10 accidents you witness off the side of the road that in fully 4 of them PROBABLY involve alcohol.
Keep in mind a lot of those so called "fender benders" where drivers exchange information have NO systematic nor required testing for drugs/alcohol etc. Fatalities are a bit more forensic in that the bodies dont run away from a blood test.
You did say (and I quote) "Well the truth is, it is NOT against the law to drink and drive. It is against the law to drive and be caught or stopped and exceed STATED measured amounts," which implies its not against the law if you don't get caught.
Well I am sure they will tell you a lot of folks do EXACTLY as I had said and if they are drinking more than what I said,
I am sure that there are people the drink everyday, I just think that they are in a very small minority.
CLEARLY indicates you agree with my quoted statements.
No I do not as your quoted statements implies that its ok as long as you don't get caught regardless of your BAC level.
So on a graphic basis, that means of every 10 accidents you witness off the side of the road that in fully 4 of them PROBABLY involve alcohol.
Involving alcohol and being caused by alcohol are two different things. Say I spend an hour nursing a beer at the local post and then drive home, at a light someone rear ends me then that would fall under alcohol involved accident. It doesn't matter that my BAC was a small fraction of the limit or that the accident wasn't my fault, it still falls under "alcohol" involved.
I still find that the average DUI driver gets away with it 2000 times before they are caught to much to believe.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I think the 2,000 number is too low myself. I bet it's more like 8,000 (i.e., I bet a lot of drunks drive 15 or 20 years before they finally get tagged with a DUI).
Yup and are you as the nurser of the beer going to insist the cops come and do a dui test on the driver responsible!!??
Most folks will just exchange information and move on. So in that case, your alcoholic involvement even as it meets your "strict" intellectual definition/yard stick still goes unreported and undocumented. Let me ask another way, will YOU (in that example) report that you were drinking!!!???
Same response!!! ..."I am just discussing REALITY"... I am glad you lead a shelter life!! Let's move on!!
But yeah, I think that 8,000 in 15 to 20 years is probably closer to the truth.
It's just hard to tell sometimes due to the limitations of the printed word. :shades:
More eggnog guys? (hold the snort, lol).
..."and One More For The Road? ". Don't look now but here is a two fisted type- the rest of the title, "One More For My Baby,"
Well I did mean the depth and breadth of the addiction/dui issue/problems.
That would mean an average of between 1 and 1.5 incidents per day. That just doesn't make sense.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Ahhh, home sweet home
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
How this for reality. The other day one of our school buses is stopped at a light. A car comes up too fast, can't stop and slams into the back of the bus. Goes right under the bumper and gets stuck.
The cops suspect the male passenger was really the driver and switched seats with his wife because he was drunk. The driver didn't notice who was driving because her first move was to see if the kids were ok.
School bus trivia: Whenever someone hits a big yellow school bus their excuse is always--"I didn't see you". 1 down 1999 to go. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
What I'm trying to say is that I think that there are a lot of alcoholics who consume upwards of a fifth a day, every day, and then drive. And don't get caught for decades.
But we were also talking about the average driver, so ... the average driver may have a tipple now and then but not every day and he's not driving after every tipple. At least I hope not, but looking at the accident rates, you do have to wonder.
The ROI for setting up a sobriety checkpoint is about one arrest for every 100 drivers stopped, btw. (link)
Yes, and don't you hate it when trees walk in front of dui'ers? :sick:
Hahahah! Yeah, same here, though she works very hard at it.
Not to drag this out too much longer, but that statement adds onto what ruking1 mentioned at the very start of this conversation. Many, perhaps even most, adults in this country consume alcohol as part of their normal, everyday routines. Most of these people do not consume to the point of intoxication, mind you, but a drink with dinner or, perhaps, a beer while watching evening TV, games, etc. Usually it is one, but sometimes it is two or three (and sometimes more).
Because the consumption of alcohol is a normal part of the daily routine in these lives, the thought, "maybe I should not drive because I just consumed alcohol," never comes up. Why would it? It would be like questioning the rationale behind a morning shower. Most of the time these people are not lawfully DUI (i.e., over the 0.08 or 0.10 thresholds), but they still have alcohol in their systems. Since the threshold is, by its very nature, arbitrary, whether they are "driving under the influence" is largely only a matter of debate depending on the individual circumstances. The chances are that usually the people are not legally DUI, and sometimes they are.
I expect that the 2000 number is likely how many times a driver might, on average, have driven with any alcohol inbibed before receiving a DUI; not necessarily being over the DUI threshold for that area each of those 2000 instances.
as for booze & .08, me & 3 variously-sized post-college heavy-drinking male friends of mine did a drinking experiment with a US Army breathalyzer, the day after it was calibrated, following all the correct procedures. one of the guys was an army captain at the time, certified/trained to use the breathalyzer. he was on his way to PA to surprise drunk-test his big-truck transportation corps drivers.
our test was to drink until we each reached the point where we "knew" we were WAY too drunk to drive. we each consumed 6 to 8 drinks in about 2.5 hours, beer & vodka shots. at the time the legal limit was .10 in most states. after each of us "knew" we were too drunk to drive, and waited the 15 minutes before testing, each one of us blew a .07 before we resumed drinking too much.
so i have no problem with a .08 legal limit. i think .08 is absolutely drunk. and .10 or above is what we call "hammid" .
the next morning at about 7AM the army captain was ready to depart. for "yucks" i asked him to breathalyze himself again and he blew a .04 . and off he went to bag his troops for doing approximately the same thing he did, except he was driving a dodge magnum and they were driving huge army trucks.
Remember that breathalyzers can be off by as much a .02, so if you blew a .07 you could be anywhere from .05 to .09.
Also remember that alcohol is like any other drug, Keep exposing yourself to it and you will need more and more of it to get the same effect. Now I was a Hospital Corpsman in Alaska when I was in the service and we took blood samples of people arrested on base for suspected DUI. Drinking was a big problem on the island and I had seem many people with upwards to .15 appearing stone sober.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D