I love it when people get frustrated that you aren't willing to slam into the cars in front of you to maintain their desired speed. How dare you!
I haven't seen any inconsiderate drivers in a couple days - because I haven't driven since Sunday :shades:
Actually, scratch that...yesterday I was walking and was in a crosswalk, and a "Dinan" badged (probably nothing but a badge) previous generation 3er didn't see me, and got kind of close. Typical overdressed poser driver.
So, what's wrong with pocket protectors? I have used the kind that had slot for company photo ID/Pass and magnets on front and back to hold onto pockets. The IT geeks usually wear their passes dangling from a chain around their neck.
Not seen any inconsiderate drivers in last couple days. Maybe moon is in good phase and most peoples' biorythms up.
Well, with this guy, it was just the icing on the cake...it completed the look! Oh, yesterday I walked outside to get some fresh air, and saw a guy in an office that looked kinda like the Camry dude from the other day. It's hard to tell though, and I think they have a machine that clones guys like that around here! Anyway, I did walk out into the parking lot, and did a quick scan, but saw no dark green '92-96 Camry wagons...so probably a different guy.
But, other than that incident the other day, no inconsiderate drivers of any significance since then. Only thing even remotely noteworthy was this morning. I was in the NYer again, and came upon traffic congestion. I slowed down gradually, rather than having to hit the brakes. However, I saw one of those little wanna-be Jeeps coming up on me at a rapid clip (not the Liberty, but the little bug-eyed thing with the Gremlin roofline...its name eludes me right now). Didn't look like it was going to stop, so I covered the brake just enough to make the brakelights come on. She got a little close, slowed down when she had to, and then zipped into the other lane when it was clear. Not nearly as close as the guy with the Camry though, and no exaggerated facial expressions or hand gesture drama.
Heck, even the dude with the Escape in the parking lot hasn't drawn my attention. Someone rounded up all the road cones and put them away somewhere, and he hasn't found anything to barricade around his car lately.
I did notice the other day though, that there were not one, but TWO Priuses parked by my NYer. I swear, people do this to make some kind of tree-hugger statement. If I drive the Intrepid or the pickup truck, nobody notices, but my old cars seem to attract hybrids like flies.
Watch out for those guys. Didn't you ever see the movie "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas?
Today I was making a left at a multi-lane intersection and was waiting for the left turn signal to turn green. The lanes next to me had the green and the cars coming from the right had the red.
I look over and see a woman on the right who has the red trying to make a right on red. Behind her is a young (read impatient) male driver who thinks she isn't being bold enough. He starts blaring his horn at her which distracts her and makes her more cautious.
He continues blaring his horn until she finally creeps out and drives down the right hand lane. This cowboy follows her through the red and jerks over to the left lane gunning his engine and roars past her.
Remind me of the law. Right on red is an option, correct, not a requirement?
What gives these road warriors the idea that people HAVE to get out of their way? :confuse:
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ya - I think that is how it goes... I have had that happen to me a few times where the right turn on red is all perfectly fine, except you can't see far enough down the road to know whether it's clear or not unless you put your front end in the direct line of fire... So it's just best to wait until the green and I have had people inch forward behind me until they might as well push me out into traffic trying to get me to go. I think my safety and my car staying in one piece is more important that letting some dude behind me save 30 seconds.
Remind me of the law. Right on red is an option, correct, not a requirement?
Correct. Funny that you posted this as the same thing happened to me today. Its a 'T' intersection I am on the through road making a right turn onto the road that begins at the intersection. I am in the right turn lane and the light is red (no green arrow). To my right is a sign proclaiming "NO TURN ON RED" across the intersection right in front of me is another sign repeating "NO TURN ON RED" and behind me is some idiot blaring on his horn.
After I made the turn the idiot just tailgated me (the road was just one lane in each direction), :sick:
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Back to the center lane issue. Last week I pulled into a gas station at a busy intersection. As I was pumping gas I looked up just in time to see a police car going away from the intersection hit his light and pull into the oncoming traffics left turn lane to block a car. Apparently this car was passing traffic in the median prior to the beginning of the left turn lane. The cop got out of his car and started yelling "Where are you going". He had a discussion with the driver for a minute or two then got back into his car and drove off.
Yesterday I was driving down one street (same town as above but in a different area). Its two lanes in each direction with a slightly raised median. Traffic here backs up enough that it can take several cycles to get through one light and backs up well past the left turn lane. Cars turning left ride the median past stopped traffic to the left turn lane. Every few days there is a cop near the intersection looking for these drivers and issuing tickets. Well yesterday I was being followed by a semi truck to the intersection and the truck went into the left turn lane. However traffic was backed up enough that I stopped just after the left turn lane started to branch off. So when the truck went into the lane it had to ride with its left tires on the median (right tires stayed on the marked pavement). As soon as he went by me I saw the cop pull out and get behind the truck. Sure enough as soon as they made the turn and cleared the intersection the lights went on the cop car.
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I've had that happen at 'no turn' posted intersections too. I usually reach out and point at the signs.
Around here, a lot of drivers are afraid to take an easy free turn, and many will slow down to a crawl at green turn arrows.
Today I saw a fun idiot on my drive home, young woman in an older RL, probably a hand me down from daddy, weaving in and out traffic, tailgating, in a big hurry. If she was from this specific area, she would know that such driving won't get her anywhere - the lights are not sequenced for efficient traffic flow, but rather to bunch traffic up at 75% of lighted intersections. I was behind her for a mile or so - she never gained more than a few car lengths.
Remind me of the law. Right on red is an option, correct, not a requirement?
The Washington state law is: "However, the vehicle operators facing a steady circular red signal may, after stopping proceed to make a right turn..." I underlined the word "may", which certainly makes it look like an option.
Interestingly enough, when I was taking my driving test, lo those many years ago, I got docked a couple of points because I DIDN'T take the free right turn. :confuse:
I think at times the laws change and as the result of rendering some well intentioned "habits" no longer applicable. Now this does NOT mean you can't or shouldn't apply them!!??
Two examples:
1. do NOT change lanes in an intersection. Not only unsafe, but illegal.
Now (to my mind it is) less than safe but... NOW... NOT illegal.
2. PASS on the LEFT and/or "passing lane": clearly NOT !!?? (see how the language is like a basketball stutter step with styling cues from the "old days")
pg 26..."Pass traffic on the left. You may pass on the right only when: • An open highway is clearly marked for two or more lanes of travel in your direction."...
Of course this is not to mention the numerous times the left or passing or #1 lane is used for LL CAMPING. and indeed they do not. CA Drivers Handbook 2009
IIRC the law here in IL states that traffic must be clear from both directions. So technically if there is no traffic in the direction you are turning into but one car going the other direction entering the intersection you cannot make the turn.
That being said I wish I had a dime for every time I had to hit the brakes or swerve to miss some idiot that made an unsafe right turn on red.
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do NOT change lanes in an intersection. Not only unsafe, but illegal.
I had this conversation with someone many years ago, the end of the argument happened when we couldn't find a law against changing lanes in an intersection.
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Indeed I am NOT going to say that there are NOT local variations. However since most states, etc etc. accept fed highway monies, one of the requirements is following the fed traffic guidelines.
Remind me of the law. Right on red is an option, correct, not a requirement?
I didn't realize this, and because of it, I guess that made me an inconsiderate driver on a few occasions. However, unless otherwise posted, my attitude with right on red is that you treat it like a stop sign where cross traffic has the right of way. If it's clear and you have room to go, you go. You don't wait for the green light.
Anyway, years ago, I came to an intersection where I wanted to make a right on red. There were two lanes, where the left lane went either straight or left, while the right lane was right turn only. There were a few cars ahead of me, and most of them made the turn when it was safe. Except for one...a first-gen Saturn S series, which did not move, because the driver was having a conversation with someone in the left lane! Well, there was no traffic coming for as far as the eye could see. After a few seconds of this, I moved up on them a bit, to no avail. So I tapped the horn. Nothing. So then I laid into the horn. Finally, they took off, after giving me the requisite hand gesture.
Anyway, sorry, but regardless of whether the law says it's an option or not, if you can safely make that turn on red, you should do so. Why waste the time of people behind you?
The next situation happened a couple months ago. I was in my '76 LeMans, stretching its legs. Got out on the Balto-Wash Parkway. When I exited the highway, there was this old couple in a new-ish black DTS ahead of me, that stopped at the red light, waiting to make the turn. Again, nothing coming, as far as the eye could see, but they just sat there, staring straight ahead. After about 10 seconds or so, I gave a gentle tap of the horn. The driver looked in the mirror at me briefly (not angrily, but more like oops, I'm holding up traffic, gotta go), then looked to his left to see that it was clear, and then made the turn.
Now, if we're talking about dangerous intersections with limited sight distance, and you can't pull out far enough to see safely, then by all means, wait until the light turns, so you can make that protected turn. But in both cases here, you could see at least 1/4 mile down the road.
Speaking of unsafe right on reds, I have noticed lately a rash of people who make the right turn with no regard to traffic approaching from their left. This happens at all intersections with controlled side streets, not just those with lights. This has to be a level of selfishness and obliviousness right up there with LLCing. Do you really want to know what happens when a fintail going 35mph slams into the driver's door of a 1996 Civic? It won't be pretty. It seems to happen mostly when I am driving the old car. How can people not see that thing?
I have also seen a few more cases of left turners failing to yield to oncoming traffic. More clueless self-importance. I will never forget the time, many years ago, when I was driving the aforementioned fintail, and a Geo decided it would turn in front of me. I didn't slow down as I knew I would miss him, and I was heading towards him at about 30. I made eye contact...his eyes became as big as saucers for that split second.
This happens at all intersections with controlled side streets, not just those with lights. This has to be a level of selfishness and obliviousness right up there with LLCing. Do you really want to know what happens when a fintail going 35mph slams into the driver's door of a 1996 Civic? It won't be pretty.
Yeah, I get really tired of that, too. The thing that really irks me, is how people will run a red light to rush to get in front of me, when there is NOTHING behind me, as far as the eye can see...only to get out in front of me, go slow, and hold me back. One day, years ago, I got fed up with it. I was driving my grandmother's '85 LeSabre, and some little car like a Dodge Colt or Hyundai Excel or something similar (I've posted it before, but too lazy to look it up now) ran a red light just to get out in front of me...and then didn't bother to even try getting up to cruising speed. And there was nothing behind me, so it's not like they couldn't have waited the 5 seconds or so it would have taken me to pass them.
Well, I decided that I'd had enough. I didn't brake, and didn't swerve, barrelled right down on them, and they swerved off onto the grass to get out of my way!
Now, In this case, I was prepared to swerve to the left if necessary, to avoid hitting them. I could have done so safely if need be, but I figured that a lesson in red light and right-of-way etiquette was in order that day.
Unfortunately, the one thing that driver probably remembers from that day was not that they did something stupid and could have gotten themselves killed, so DON'T do it again...but rather that some psycho in a big Buick ran them off the road!
It's always that way....nobody behind you for half a mile, and the dope still has to pull out and then go 10 under.
I used to live in a development that was linked to a main road via a 2 lane 35mph arterial, and it passed by a retirement community. The Revolutionary War vets in their pristine old Buicks were notorious for pulling out in front of anyone and then going 18mph. I remember once an old guy pulled right out and got up to about 20, so I just passed him - and he got mad and laid on the horn. Shame on me. :shades:
I feel I have been jinxed ever since I brought this up. Yesterday while turning into work I was nearly hit head on by a middle aged woman who was cruising down the median like it was her personal highway. At the last minute she swerved past me on my left without signaling and then drifted back into the median and continued down the road.
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Northbound I 5 approaching an on ramp from US 12 doing 60 in outside lane with cars passing me on my Left. Behind me was an 18 wheeler following rather close and just itching to pass when he could. As we enter the area of where the onramp from US 12 merges, several shiny cars of an upscale design have their Left turn signals flashing with the attitude of "Get out of my way and you will let me in."
I couldn't, so I didn't. About 4 miles further I drove into the Rest Stop and was immediately confronted by one of the mergers who asked why I didn't yield to her?
I refered her to the WA Drivers Manual and walked off. :sick:
Don't feel bad, people fail to see my 35 foot long bright yellow school bus all the time. That is unless they are behind it. Then they will do all manner of crazy driving so they don't have to see it any more.
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But you did let at least one car in, right? Ok...I don't live in Washington so I'm not familiar with that merge of 12 and 5. My rule in traffic is to let at least one car over in a lane that is about to end in front of me. Basically do the "zipper" that's been talked about before. But I'll never let a knucklehead who tries to push his/her way in. Especially when they drive on the shoulder to get around the "zipper" merge. Rule of thumb: In stop n go traffic, one car only in front of me. The car in back of him gets in back of me. And so on.....
But you did let at least one car in, right? Ok...I don't live in Washington so I'm not familiar with that merge of 12 and 5. My rule in traffic is to let at least one car over in a lane that is about to end in front of me.
From Euphonium's description, it doesn't sound like he had that option. Rolling along at 60, tractor trailer on your tail, passing lane not an option. If the cars merging in didn't get up to greater than Euphonium's speed to merge in, there was really nothing he could do, that wouldn't cause an accident.
but unfortunately, it was the farm I almost bought! :surprise: Three friends and I went to Dorney Park in PA yesterday, in my buddy's 2006 Xterra. We were maybe 3.5 miles from home, not far from where I work, on a back road with a steep ditch on either sides, and enough embankments to not exactly be SUV-friendly. Probably rolling along at 45, slight downhill grade, straight part of the road in between two fairly gentle curves.
All of a sudden, this mid-90's looking Corolla coming the other way came over the double yellow line, right at us. And for some reason, it registered with me before it did with my buddy who was driving! He hit the brakes and swerved to the right, and the idiot missed us, probably by mere inches. Didn't even try to slow down, and really didn't make that much effort to correct his course, either. I'd guess he was doing about 60.
I wonder what the end result would be of a mid-90's Corolla and a 2006 Xterra hitting head-on, at the combined speed of roughly 100 mph? What year did they start putting airbags in Corollas? I think this car was the 1993-97 style, but could have been a '98-02...they both look very similar to me, and at that speed, I wasn't checking for a VIN to decode!
The thing that really irks me is that if my buddy had ditched the car and rolled us, we could all be dead, and that idiot probably wouldn't have even stopped. And because of that thought, I wanted my buddy to turn around and go after the SOB. But considering that in my mind, someone had just tried attempted murder on me and I was in a mood for justice...probably a good idea that he wouldn't turn around.
And, almost as if it was an omen, the song playing on the radio was Pearljam's remake of "Last Kiss", and within seconds of the near miss, was the line "I couldn't stop, so I swerved to the right". :surprise:
Oh, and a few minutes before this incident, we got held up at a traffic light about a mile from my house, by some idiot in a mid-90's Camaro who was too busy texting to notice the light had changed. But in light of the second incident, the texting seemed kinda insignificant...
A little fun yesterday. First, I got stuck behind a Ryder truck going up a hill. It was the worst-maintained rental truck I have seen, filthy and belching enough fumes to make up for a thousand cars. I was also driving a car made the same year Jesus was born, the outside temperature was a mere 700F, and of course the car has no AC. And to top it off, I was being tailgated by an idiotic lesser mortal in a Caliber with its high beams on. I was going to brake check her, but it was much too hot for me to want to get out and wipe that crap off my bumper :shades:
Before that, I was driving on a 4 lane 35mph suburban road. It was deserted, I was maybe going 5 over. I remember a few days ago I saw an irresponsible girl in an old RL who irked me...I think I might have encountered her again. There was a white older RL in the right lane, I was approaching on the left, and as I got closer, she randomly changed lanes in front of me, going much slower than me. I passed on the right, and as I looked at her - she was texting, her device and attention on the steering wheel hub. Maybe capital punishment should be given to these sorts, clean out the gene pool a little.
I also experienced an older woman in a Sienna, who pulled out right in front of me from a parking lot, and got up to about 15mph...in a 30. She was reading a map. Hello, what year is it? Luckily the oncoming lane was empty, so I just went around her. These people need to be dropped in LA or Miami and see how long they survive.
Wow, glad you are still with us. I predict that that speed, you'd be lucky to be in intensive care for a few weeks, and the other driver would be pushing up daisies. Neither vehicle seems to be the best at crashing, in my opinion anyway.
I remember years ago I had something like that happen to me. In central WA, near Goldendale, I was driving up a long winding hill, but 4 lanes...an old Caddy Fleetwood crosses the double yellow and just keeps going in my lane. Luckily this gave me enough time to get over. He was probably going 60, I was going maybe 45. I doubt anyone would have walked away.
Years ago, taking the motorhome to the rural fairgrounds for winter storage, my 2-year-old son sitting at the dinette in his car seat. 2-lane state highway, 60mph, straight as an arrow, severe clear. Oncoming delivery truck started to drift towards center. I compensated by drifting toward the shoulder, but he kept coming, and I ran out of shoulder...
He buried his side mirror in the sidewall of the coach just inches behind my seat. Blew out every piece of glass on the driver's side, and mangled the entire side of the motorhome to the tune of a $22k repair bill. One of the noisiest things I've ever been through. Kiddo & I were fine.
The truck driver was distracted by a bee in the cab.
Wow, someone was smiling on you that day. You should have bought a lottery ticket after that :P
Near misses are scary. I remember years ago, I was in the fintail, sitting at a light at the bottom of a steep hill in Burnaby BC. I saw an old Aspen/Volare coming down the hill, and it occurred to me that he was moving too fast. I saw and heard him lock it up and fishtail around, and I had a sick feeling I was about to be rear-ended. I couldn't go anywhere, with cars in front of me, oncoming traffic to my left, and a very high curb/barrier to my right - and he couldn't go anywhere either. Somehow, he stopped the thing, he angled it so he actually had some distance. I was grateful that day.
The one near miss that comes to my mind was when I was about 17 and I was driving my old beat up truck. It was an early '80s GMC Sierra. I was headed down a typical rural 2 lane road. The part I was on was a hilly section that had 2 or three humps before an intersection. I remember coming up one of these humps and another truck was headed towards me. He started drifting over the line and kept coming. I tried to lay on the horn, but the horn didn't work (it only worked if you pressed it just right and so of course, in a panic, it would fail). I drifted onto the dirt shoulder, but couldn't go far otherwise I end up in the ditch. The other truck kept drifting and I thought for sure I was done. However, we only checked mirrors. His mirror struck mine and swung it forward. My window was down and I ended up with a few shards of mirror on my lap. But all I had to do was push the mirror back out and it was still mostly usable. The other truck kept right on going. I turned around, but by the time I gathered myself together enough and checked my shorts, he was gone.
I just counted my blessing that all I had was a busted mirror that really wasn't all the busted and that nothing else happened...
IMHO the price of fuel has never been enough to stop the gasser-folk from idling their vehicles when they get out of the car to stand in the local starbucks line. ....
Also I understand that many jurisdictions have some sort of no-idling statutes - and sometimes they technically prohibit "remote-starting" a vehicle illegal if it's on a public road, as well. (?)
IMHO the price of fuel has never been enough to stop the gasser-folk from idling their vehicles when they get out of the car to stand in the local starbucks line.
I think many people are still under the midsguided notion that you save gas by letting it idle a few minutes, versus turning it off and then re-starting. That might have actually been true back in the days of carbureted vehicles, but I can't imagine it saves any fuel nowadays.
The only advantage I can think of to letting a vehicle idle if you're only going to be a couple minutes, is that it can be stressful sometimes to start a car "hot". But again, this applies mainly to older cars. I have a '76 LeMans that left me stranded a couple weeks ago in 96 degree weather when I stopped off at the liquor store. I had to leave the car, and came back about 2 hours later, after dark, and it fired right up. I don't think too many newer cars would have this problem though, unless the battery or starter was getting weak, or it had some kind of other problem. Back in the 70's though, it wasn't a problem...it was a "feature" :P
I also have a '79 New Yorker with a loose ignition. You can pull the key out of it while it's still running. It's also one that will sometimes give me a fit doing a "hot" start. So sometimes if I'm only going to be a couple minutes, I'll park it, pull the key out of it while it's running, lock it up, and tend to my business.
Also I understand that many jurisdictions have some sort of no-idling statutes - and sometimes they technically prohibit "remote-starting" a vehicle illegal if it's on a public road, as well.
Actually, where I live, I think it's illegal to let a car idle, even on your own private property, unless it's attended. So if you start your car and let it warm up on a cold winter day, and run back into the house, you can technically get a ticket.
Remote starting is sooooo wasteful. Today's cars warm up so fast. Think of how much $$ and wear and tear on the car (not to mention unneeded emissions) people waste starting their cars up for 15 mins a day just so they won't have to get into a cold car. Start it up wait about a minute and drive off carefully. In 3 or 4 minutes the car will be warm enough to start blowing heat. To make matters worse how many cars today have heated seats. I personally think it shouldn't be allowed to be a factory installed option on any car. AFAIK GM and Toyota are the only makes to do this, but I could be wrong.
Car has been gone for over 10 years used it as a beater when gas was cheap. As for the starting issues it wasn't carb related, it was the starter. When it got hot it needed a lot of current to turn the engine over. Sounded like your battery was going (even though it was fine).
You have certainly painted a very broad stroke regarding the using of remote start and how it is wasteful to anyone having the audacity to use it. Where I live, I gladly use my remote start on many winter mornings. Do I do this to keep my sensitve rear end from a chill, as you so broadly imply?
Not hardly, many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero. So sure, just scrape it off, right, you want to take twenty minutes to try that (and it will take that long at the above mentioned temperatures, not I.
Moving on to your concern regarding heated seats not being allowed as a factory option, your reasoning excapes me again. Heated seats do not pollute, if you live where I do they are a comfortable asset, I cannot see how since you dont pay for them, I should be refused the right to purchase them with my money.
My thoughts being if I am not forced into paying for what YOU have, then your criticisim of what is valuable and useful to me is somewhat disingenuous.
By the way, I would pay money to see you start up "and warm it up for a minute and drive off." In one minute of scraping, you wouldn't have cleared 3 square inches of rock hard ice from your windows.
Do I do this to keep my sensitve rear end from a chill, as you so broadly imply?
Simple solution, wear pants. :P
Not hardly, many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero.
According to your profile you live in the greater Cleveland area. I used to live near Painesville and I have to say the weather you mentioned is extreme for the area (and I don't remember ever having nearly that much ice on the windows).
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The only person I knew, personally (versus online) who ever had a remote start was a friend with a 1998 Tracker. Unfortunately, he was pretty bad about it. He'd let it start up, and probably WOULD let it sit about 10-15 minutes, warming up! He also had a bad habit of waiting until the temperature gauge started to rise, before taking off.
I told him that, for the most part, where we live, you don't have to let the car warm up more than a minute before driving. If you're worried about the temp gauge and the car being too cold, then just be gentle on it while driving until the gauge starts to register. FWIW, before the Tracker he had a 1986 LTD (the small one) and before that an '82 Cutlass Ciera, neither which would have had a temp gauge standard, although I think the Ciera might've offered it as an option.
Even my old carbureted cars, I don't let warm up for more than a minute, unless it's on a really cold day. And then, I'm usually out scraping the windshield anyway, so chances are it'll spend a couple minutes warming up.
Also, when I turn off the car the night before, I usually turn everything off...radio, HVAC controls, etc. So if I had a remote start, I'd still have to walk out and turn on the defroster. And even though I could set it the night before, I'd still have to go out to turn on the electric one in the rear window. But then, around these parts (DC area), the temps rarely get below zero F. I think we hit zero a couple times around Martin Luther King day (and the wind made it feel even worse), and then back in 2004 we got a few degrees below once or twice. Back in 1994, we had a serious cold snap, and some nights it got down to around 10-11 below, and even during the day, I think only got into the teens, or maybe even single digits. I was driving an '82 Cutlass Supreme that winter, and I remember the windshield never would fully defrost, until the Sun's rays hit it. The defrost would clear most of it, but not the upper corners.
If I lived in some area where the winters got really brutal, I think I'd want to park my car in a garage that's attached to the house! Of course, a remote start would be cheaper.
As for heated seats, never had 'em, so I don't know what I'm missing. I have a feeling that for me it would be sort of like power windows. Didn't really care about them, until I started getting cars that have them, and once I got used to them, it's hard to imagine life without them. I do get reminded though, when I drive my '67 Catalina convertible. I've thought about asking my mechanic how much it would cost to have it retrofitted with power windows! If it was a small-ish car, I probably wouldn't mind so much. For instance, with my '68 Dart, I could easily reach all four windows in that car from the driver's seat. But the Catalina's just too wide for me to be able to reach over.
Moving on to your concern regarding heated seats not being allowed as a factory option
Worded improperly... Remote start shouldn't be a factory option. I could care less if anyone uses heated seats (heck my car has 'em) My girlfriend loves them and I get to keep the heat lower (win win for me)
As with anything there are always situations that someone may want it. My opinion is its generally a very wasteful thing. I see plenty of vehicles idling away everyday in the winter when no ice/snow is present. I live in NJ and have to deal with frosty windows too... I have also spent time in Montana on business in the winter and also found no need for it there. Winters don't get much harsher than that.
Heck there is even someone here at the office that starts their car from their desk almost everyday for 15-20 minutes before they leave. How wasteful is that??? I am no tree hugger, but come on. How long do the cars take to heat up or cool down?
many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero. So sure, just scrape it off, right, you want to take twenty minutes to try that (and it will take that long at the above mentioned temperatures, not I.
Ah.... memories from when I was young and still living with the folks, and had to park outside (Michigan). I used to put a small piece of carpet over the windshield at night (held down by the wipers). This saved me a lot of time scraping!
This is a non-issue now. I still live in Michigan, but I've got my own garage now!
>Not hardly, many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero.
How many mornings in the last year have you had two inches of ICE in Cleveland?
If there are two inches of ICE, the whole area will be shut down and you won't be going to work unless you're police, fire, or EMS personnel.
Indeed if there is an ice storm, the temperature will not e 5-7 Deg. F. It willb e in the thirties or twenties.
Grad school roomate and friend lives in Kirkwood. I'll ask him how many 2 inch ice storms have gone through that area.
Remote start should not be on cars unless they have an auto shutoff after 5 minutes. Al Gore would have a fit at the wastefullness of that--unless it's on his private jet, then anything is okay.
Talk about improper wording? You attempted to say "I could not care less", or "I couldn't care less", but as stated, it implies that you do care somewhat, but could care less.
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I haven't seen any inconsiderate drivers in a couple days - because I haven't driven since Sunday :shades:
Actually, scratch that...yesterday I was walking and was in a crosswalk, and a "Dinan" badged (probably nothing but a badge) previous generation 3er didn't see me, and got kind of close. Typical overdressed poser driver.
So, what's wrong with pocket protectors? I have used the kind that had slot for company photo ID/Pass and magnets on front and back to hold onto pockets. The IT geeks usually wear their passes dangling from a chain around their neck.
Not seen any inconsiderate drivers in last couple days. Maybe moon is in good phase and most peoples' biorythms up.
Well, with this guy, it was just the icing on the cake...it completed the look! Oh, yesterday I walked outside to get some fresh air, and saw a guy in an office that looked kinda like the Camry dude from the other day. It's hard to tell though, and I think they have a machine that clones guys like that around here! Anyway, I did walk out into the parking lot, and did a quick scan, but saw no dark green '92-96 Camry wagons...so probably a different guy.
But, other than that incident the other day, no inconsiderate drivers of any significance since then. Only thing even remotely noteworthy was this morning. I was in the NYer again, and came upon traffic congestion. I slowed down gradually, rather than having to hit the brakes. However, I saw one of those little wanna-be Jeeps coming up on me at a rapid clip (not the Liberty, but the little bug-eyed thing with the Gremlin roofline...its name eludes me right now). Didn't look like it was going to stop, so I covered the brake just enough to make the brakelights come on. She got a little close, slowed down when she had to, and then zipped into the other lane when it was clear. Not nearly as close as the guy with the Camry though, and no exaggerated facial expressions or hand gesture drama.
Heck, even the dude with the Escape in the parking lot hasn't drawn my attention. Someone rounded up all the road cones and put them away somewhere, and he hasn't found anything to barricade around his car lately.
I did notice the other day though, that there were not one, but TWO Priuses parked by my NYer. I swear, people do this to make some kind of tree-hugger statement. If I drive the Intrepid or the pickup truck, nobody notices, but my old cars seem to attract hybrids like flies.
Watch out for those guys. Didn't you ever see the movie "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas?
Today I was making a left at a multi-lane intersection and was waiting for the left turn signal to turn green. The lanes next to me had the green and the cars coming from the right had the red.
I look over and see a woman on the right who has the red trying to make a right on red. Behind her is a young (read impatient) male driver who thinks she isn't being bold enough. He starts blaring his horn at her which distracts her and makes her more cautious.
He continues blaring his horn until she finally creeps out and drives down the right hand lane. This cowboy follows her through the red and jerks over to the left lane gunning his engine and roars past her.
Remind me of the law. Right on red is an option, correct, not a requirement?
What gives these road warriors the idea that people HAVE to get out of their way? :confuse:
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Correct. Funny that you posted this as the same thing happened to me today. Its a 'T' intersection I am on the through road making a right turn onto the road that begins at the intersection. I am in the right turn lane and the light is red (no green arrow). To my right is a sign proclaiming "NO TURN ON RED" across the intersection right in front of me is another sign repeating "NO TURN ON RED" and behind me is some idiot blaring on his horn.
After I made the turn the idiot just tailgated me (the road was just one lane in each direction), :sick:
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Yesterday I was driving down one street (same town as above but in a different area). Its two lanes in each direction with a slightly raised median. Traffic here backs up enough that it can take several cycles to get through one light and backs up well past the left turn lane. Cars turning left ride the median past stopped traffic to the left turn lane. Every few days there is a cop near the intersection looking for these drivers and issuing tickets. Well yesterday I was being followed by a semi truck to the intersection and the truck went into the left turn lane. However traffic was backed up enough that I stopped just after the left turn lane started to branch off. So when the truck went into the lane it had to ride with its left tires on the median (right tires stayed on the marked pavement). As soon as he went by me I saw the cop pull out and get behind the truck. Sure enough as soon as they made the turn and cleared the intersection the lights went on the cop car.
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Around here, a lot of drivers are afraid to take an easy free turn, and many will slow down to a crawl at green turn arrows.
Today I saw a fun idiot on my drive home, young woman in an older RL, probably a hand me down from daddy, weaving in and out traffic, tailgating, in a big hurry. If she was from this specific area, she would know that such driving won't get her anywhere - the lights are not sequenced for efficient traffic flow, but rather to bunch traffic up at 75% of lighted intersections. I was behind her for a mile or so - she never gained more than a few car lengths.
The Washington state law is: "However, the vehicle operators facing a steady circular red signal may, after stopping proceed to make a right turn..." I underlined the word "may", which certainly makes it look like an option.
Interestingly enough, when I was taking my driving test, lo those many years ago, I got docked a couple of points because I DIDN'T take the free right turn. :confuse:
Two examples:
1. do NOT change lanes in an intersection. Not only unsafe, but illegal.
Now (to my mind it is) less than safe but... NOW... NOT illegal.
2. PASS on the LEFT and/or "passing lane": clearly NOT !!?? (see how the language is like a basketball stutter step with styling cues from the "old days")
pg 26..."Pass traffic on the left. You may pass on the right only when:
• An open highway is clearly
marked for two or more lanes of
travel in your direction."...
Of course this is not to mention the numerous times the left or passing or #1 lane is used for LL CAMPING. and indeed they do not. CA Drivers Handbook 2009
IIRC the law here in IL states that traffic must be clear from both directions. So technically if there is no traffic in the direction you are turning into but one car going the other direction entering the intersection you cannot make the turn.
That being said I wish I had a dime for every time I had to hit the brakes or swerve to miss some idiot that made an unsafe right turn on red.
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I had this conversation with someone many years ago, the end of the argument happened when we couldn't find a law against changing lanes in an intersection.
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My favorites are the ones who don't even bother to stop before making their "free" right turn. :sick:
I didn't realize this, and because of it, I guess that made me an inconsiderate driver on a few occasions. However, unless otherwise posted, my attitude with right on red is that you treat it like a stop sign where cross traffic has the right of way. If it's clear and you have room to go, you go. You don't wait for the green light.
Anyway, years ago, I came to an intersection where I wanted to make a right on red. There were two lanes, where the left lane went either straight or left, while the right lane was right turn only. There were a few cars ahead of me, and most of them made the turn when it was safe. Except for one...a first-gen Saturn S series, which did not move, because the driver was having a conversation with someone in the left lane! Well, there was no traffic coming for as far as the eye could see. After a few seconds of this, I moved up on them a bit, to no avail. So I tapped the horn. Nothing. So then I laid into the horn. Finally, they took off, after giving me the requisite hand gesture.
Anyway, sorry, but regardless of whether the law says it's an option or not, if you can safely make that turn on red, you should do so. Why waste the time of people behind you?
The next situation happened a couple months ago. I was in my '76 LeMans, stretching its legs. Got out on the Balto-Wash Parkway. When I exited the highway, there was this old couple in a new-ish black DTS ahead of me, that stopped at the red light, waiting to make the turn. Again, nothing coming, as far as the eye could see, but they just sat there, staring straight ahead. After about 10 seconds or so, I gave a gentle tap of the horn. The driver looked in the mirror at me briefly (not angrily, but more like oops, I'm holding up traffic, gotta go), then looked to his left to see that it was clear, and then made the turn.
Now, if we're talking about dangerous intersections with limited sight distance, and you can't pull out far enough to see safely, then by all means, wait until the light turns, so you can make that protected turn. But in both cases here, you could see at least 1/4 mile down the road.
Speaking of unsafe right on reds, I have noticed lately a rash of people who make the right turn with no regard to traffic approaching from their left. This happens at all intersections with controlled side streets, not just those with lights. This has to be a level of selfishness and obliviousness right up there with LLCing. Do you really want to know what happens when a fintail going 35mph slams into the driver's door of a 1996 Civic? It won't be pretty. It seems to happen mostly when I am driving the old car. How can people not see that thing?
I have also seen a few more cases of left turners failing to yield to oncoming traffic. More clueless self-importance. I will never forget the time, many years ago, when I was driving the aforementioned fintail, and a Geo decided it would turn in front of me. I didn't slow down as I knew I would miss him, and I was heading towards him at about 30. I made eye contact...his eyes became as big as saucers for that split second.
Yeah, I get really tired of that, too. The thing that really irks me, is how people will run a red light to rush to get in front of me, when there is NOTHING behind me, as far as the eye can see...only to get out in front of me, go slow, and hold me back. One day, years ago, I got fed up with it. I was driving my grandmother's '85 LeSabre, and some little car like a Dodge Colt or Hyundai Excel or something similar (I've posted it before, but too lazy to look it up now) ran a red light just to get out in front of me...and then didn't bother to even try getting up to cruising speed. And there was nothing behind me, so it's not like they couldn't have waited the 5 seconds or so it would have taken me to pass them.
Well, I decided that I'd had enough. I didn't brake, and didn't swerve, barrelled right down on them, and they swerved off onto the grass to get out of my way!
Now, In this case, I was prepared to swerve to the left if necessary, to avoid hitting them. I could have done so safely if need be, but I figured that a lesson in red light and right-of-way etiquette was in order that day.
Unfortunately, the one thing that driver probably remembers from that day was not that they did something stupid and could have gotten themselves killed, so DON'T do it again...but rather that some psycho in a big Buick ran them off the road!
I used to live in a development that was linked to a main road via a 2 lane 35mph arterial, and it passed by a retirement community. The Revolutionary War vets in their pristine old Buicks were notorious for pulling out in front of anyone and then going 18mph. I remember once an old guy pulled right out and got up to about 20, so I just passed him - and he got mad and laid on the horn. Shame on me. :shades:
Well, your city is a very immigrant "friendly" city. Maybe the guy behind you did not understand english. :confuse:
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I feel I have been jinxed ever since I brought this up. Yesterday while turning into work I was nearly hit head on by a middle aged woman who was cruising down the median like it was her personal highway. At the last minute she swerved past me on my left without signaling and then drifted back into the median and continued down the road.
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I couldn't, so I didn't. About 4 miles further I drove into the Rest Stop and was immediately confronted by one of the mergers who asked why I didn't yield to her?
I refered her to the WA Drivers Manual and walked off. :sick:
Don't feel bad, people fail to see my 35 foot long bright yellow school bus all the time. That is unless they are behind it. Then they will do all manner of crazy driving so they don't have to see it any more.
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In Washington state, the law allows you a maximum of 300 feet in that center lane.
Well I am in the burbs and this particular burb is a yuppie white bread community.
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Or is it a case of a self righteous LL C'er?
Rule of thumb: In stop n go traffic, one car only in front of me. The car in back of him gets in back of me. And so on.....
From Euphonium's description, it doesn't sound like he had that option. Rolling along at 60, tractor trailer on your tail, passing lane not an option. If the cars merging in didn't get up to greater than Euphonium's speed to merge in, there was really nothing he could do, that wouldn't cause an accident.
All of a sudden, this mid-90's looking Corolla coming the other way came over the double yellow line, right at us. And for some reason, it registered with me before it did with my buddy who was driving! He hit the brakes and swerved to the right, and the idiot missed us, probably by mere inches. Didn't even try to slow down, and really didn't make that much effort to correct his course, either. I'd guess he was doing about 60.
I wonder what the end result would be of a mid-90's Corolla and a 2006 Xterra hitting head-on, at the combined speed of roughly 100 mph? What year did they start putting airbags in Corollas? I think this car was the 1993-97 style, but could have been a '98-02...they both look very similar to me, and at that speed, I wasn't checking for a VIN to decode!
The thing that really irks me is that if my buddy had ditched the car and rolled us, we could all be dead, and that idiot probably wouldn't have even stopped. And because of that thought, I wanted my buddy to turn around and go after the SOB. But considering that in my mind, someone had just tried attempted murder on me and I was in a mood for justice...probably a good idea that he wouldn't turn around.
And, almost as if it was an omen, the song playing on the radio was Pearljam's remake of "Last Kiss", and within seconds of the near miss, was the line "I couldn't stop, so I swerved to the right". :surprise:
Oh, and a few minutes before this incident, we got held up at a traffic light about a mile from my house, by some idiot in a mid-90's Camaro who was too busy texting to notice the light had changed. But in light of the second incident, the texting seemed kinda insignificant...
Before that, I was driving on a 4 lane 35mph suburban road. It was deserted, I was maybe going 5 over. I remember a few days ago I saw an irresponsible girl in an old RL who irked me...I think I might have encountered her again. There was a white older RL in the right lane, I was approaching on the left, and as I got closer, she randomly changed lanes in front of me, going much slower than me. I passed on the right, and as I looked at her - she was texting, her device and attention on the steering wheel hub. Maybe capital punishment should be given to these sorts, clean out the gene pool a little.
I also experienced an older woman in a Sienna, who pulled out right in front of me from a parking lot, and got up to about 15mph...in a 30. She was reading a map. Hello, what year is it? Luckily the oncoming lane was empty, so I just went around her. These people need to be dropped in LA or Miami and see how long they survive.
I remember years ago I had something like that happen to me. In central WA, near Goldendale, I was driving up a long winding hill, but 4 lanes...an old Caddy Fleetwood crosses the double yellow and just keeps going in my lane. Luckily this gave me enough time to get over. He was probably going 60, I was going maybe 45. I doubt anyone would have walked away.
Years ago, taking the motorhome to the rural fairgrounds for winter storage, my 2-year-old son sitting at the dinette in his car seat. 2-lane state highway, 60mph, straight as an arrow, severe clear. Oncoming delivery truck started to drift towards center. I compensated by drifting toward the shoulder, but he kept coming, and I ran out of shoulder...
He buried his side mirror in the sidewall of the coach just inches behind my seat. Blew out every piece of glass on the driver's side, and mangled the entire side of the motorhome to the tune of a $22k repair bill. One of the noisiest things I've ever been through. Kiddo & I were fine.
The truck driver was distracted by a bee in the cab.
Cheers!
Paul
Near misses are scary. I remember years ago, I was in the fintail, sitting at a light at the bottom of a steep hill in Burnaby BC. I saw an old Aspen/Volare coming down the hill, and it occurred to me that he was moving too fast. I saw and heard him lock it up and fishtail around, and I had a sick feeling I was about to be rear-ended. I couldn't go anywhere, with cars in front of me, oncoming traffic to my left, and a very high curb/barrier to my right - and he couldn't go anywhere either. Somehow, he stopped the thing, he angled it so he actually had some distance. I was grateful that day.
I just counted my blessing that all I had was a busted mirror that really wasn't all the busted and that nothing else happened...
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....
Also I understand that many jurisdictions have some sort of no-idling statutes -
and sometimes they technically prohibit "remote-starting" a vehicle illegal if it's on a public road, as well. (?)
I think many people are still under the midsguided notion that you save gas by letting it idle a few minutes, versus turning it off and then re-starting. That might have actually been true back in the days of carbureted vehicles, but I can't imagine it saves any fuel nowadays.
The only advantage I can think of to letting a vehicle idle if you're only going to be a couple minutes, is that it can be stressful sometimes to start a car "hot". But again, this applies mainly to older cars. I have a '76 LeMans that left me stranded a couple weeks ago in 96 degree weather when I stopped off at the liquor store. I had to leave the car, and came back about 2 hours later, after dark, and it fired right up. I don't think too many newer cars would have this problem though, unless the battery or starter was getting weak, or it had some kind of other problem. Back in the 70's though, it wasn't a problem...it was a "feature" :P
I also have a '79 New Yorker with a loose ignition. You can pull the key out of it while it's still running. It's also one that will sometimes give me a fit doing a "hot" start. So sometimes if I'm only going to be a couple minutes, I'll park it, pull the key out of it while it's running, lock it up, and tend to my business.
Also I understand that many jurisdictions have some sort of no-idling statutes -
and sometimes they technically prohibit "remote-starting" a vehicle illegal if it's on a public road, as well.
Actually, where I live, I think it's illegal to let a car idle, even on your own private property, unless it's attended. So if you start your car and let it warm up on a cold winter day, and run back into the house, you can technically get a ticket.
Remote starting is sooooo wasteful. Today's cars warm up so fast. Think of how much $$ and wear and tear on the car (not to mention unneeded emissions) people waste starting their cars up for 15 mins a day just so they won't have to get into a cold car. Start it up wait about a minute and drive off carefully. In 3 or 4 minutes the car will be warm enough to start blowing heat. To make matters worse how many cars today have heated seats. I personally think it shouldn't be allowed to be a factory installed option on any car. AFAIK GM and Toyota are the only makes to do this, but I could be wrong.
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That brings back memories of my '79 Continental. It would start, but, wasn't happy about it!
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Not hardly, many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero. So sure, just scrape it off, right, you want to take twenty minutes to try that (and it will take that long at the above mentioned temperatures, not I.
Moving on to your concern regarding heated seats not being allowed as a factory option, your reasoning excapes me again. Heated seats do not pollute, if you live where I do they are a comfortable asset, I cannot see how since you dont pay for them, I should be refused the right to purchase them with my money.
My thoughts being if I am not forced into paying for what YOU have, then your criticisim of what is valuable and useful to me is somewhat disingenuous.
By the way, I would pay money to see you start up "and warm it up for a minute and drive off." In one minute of scraping, you wouldn't have cleared 3 square inches of rock hard ice from your windows.
Simple solution, wear pants. :P
Not hardly, many mornings I have 2 inches of frozen ice on my windows, air temperature of 5 to 7 degrees above zero, wind chill factor 18 to twenty degrees BELOW zero.
According to your profile you live in the greater Cleveland area. I used to live near Painesville and I have to say the weather you mentioned is extreme for the area (and I don't remember ever having nearly that much ice on the windows).
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I told him that, for the most part, where we live, you don't have to let the car warm up more than a minute before driving. If you're worried about the temp gauge and the car being too cold, then just be gentle on it while driving until the gauge starts to register. FWIW, before the Tracker he had a 1986 LTD (the small one) and before that an '82 Cutlass Ciera, neither which would have had a temp gauge standard, although I think the Ciera might've offered it as an option.
Even my old carbureted cars, I don't let warm up for more than a minute, unless it's on a really cold day. And then, I'm usually out scraping the windshield anyway, so chances are it'll spend a couple minutes warming up.
Also, when I turn off the car the night before, I usually turn everything off...radio, HVAC controls, etc. So if I had a remote start, I'd still have to walk out and turn on the defroster. And even though I could set it the night before, I'd still have to go out to turn on the electric one in the rear window.
But then, around these parts (DC area), the temps rarely get below zero F. I think we hit zero a couple times around Martin Luther King day (and the wind made it feel even worse), and then back in 2004 we got a few degrees below once or twice. Back in 1994, we had a serious cold snap, and some nights it got down to around 10-11 below, and even during the day, I think only got into the teens, or maybe even single digits. I was driving an '82 Cutlass Supreme that winter, and I remember the windshield never would fully defrost, until the Sun's rays hit it. The defrost would clear most of it, but not the upper corners.
If I lived in some area where the winters got really brutal, I think I'd want to park my car in a garage that's attached to the house! Of course, a remote start would be cheaper.
As for heated seats, never had 'em, so I don't know what I'm missing. I have a feeling that for me it would be sort of like power windows. Didn't really care about them, until I started getting cars that have them, and once I got used to them, it's hard to imagine life without them. I do get reminded though, when I drive my '67 Catalina convertible. I've thought about asking my mechanic how much it would cost to have it retrofitted with power windows! If it was a small-ish car, I probably wouldn't mind so much. For instance, with my '68 Dart, I could easily reach all four windows in that car from the driver's seat. But the Catalina's just too wide for me to be able to reach over.
Worded improperly... Remote start shouldn't be a factory option. I could care less if anyone uses heated seats (heck my car has 'em) My girlfriend loves them and I get to keep the heat lower (win win for me)
As with anything there are always situations that someone may want it. My opinion is its generally a very wasteful thing. I see plenty of vehicles idling away everyday in the winter when no ice/snow is present. I live in NJ and have to deal with frosty windows too... I have also spent time in Montana on business in the winter and also found no need for it there. Winters don't get much harsher than that.
Heck there is even someone here at the office that starts their car from their desk almost everyday for 15-20 minutes before they leave. How wasteful is that??? I am no tree hugger, but come on. How long do the cars take to heat up or cool down?
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Ah.... memories from when I was young and still living with the folks, and had to park outside (Michigan). I used to put a small piece of carpet over the windshield at night (held down by the wipers). This saved me a lot of time scraping!
This is a non-issue now. I still live in Michigan, but I've got my own garage now!
How many mornings in the last year have you had two inches of ICE in Cleveland?
If there are two inches of ICE, the whole area will be shut down and you won't be going to work unless you're police, fire, or EMS personnel.
Indeed if there is an ice storm, the temperature will not e 5-7 Deg. F. It willb e in the thirties or twenties.
Grad school roomate and friend lives in Kirkwood. I'll ask him how many 2 inch ice storms have gone through that area.
Remote start should not be on cars unless they have an auto shutoff after 5 minutes. Al Gore would have a fit at the wastefullness of that--unless it's on his private jet, then anything is okay.
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LOL!
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Talk about improper wording? You attempted to say "I could not care less", or "I couldn't care less", but as stated, it implies that you do care somewhat, but could care less.