Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

euphonium

LLC don't cause the fasters to do anything. The fasters have already made the decision to be faster & thus willing to hazard their consequences. The faster is to take responsibility for his chosen reactions, not trying to pass the buck on others.

fintail

The turtle also needs to move over for faster traffic or risk a ticket, per your beloved WSP

oregonboy

LLC don't cause the fasters to do anything.

They cause them to slow down, and that's the whole idea to a truly dedicated camper.
It's all about control, baby !!!

ruking1

Your assertion is flat not true. For whatever reasons, a lot of folks still hold close the mythical fiction the #1 or passing lane is the fast lane. I have decades ago given up that notion. This is especially true when passing in the #2 or other lanes is so much easier and ...safer. An LLCer is advertising. It makes no sense to get so close to his six, you can tell if he has washed his upholstery or not.

euphonium

Control is expecting the slower drivers to get out of your way. When I get behind a LLC going the limit, I accept the situation and roll with it. If I want to overtake him, I use another available lane, but to expect him to get out of my way for my convenience is arrogant and "controling". Speeding results in more tickets than LLC'ing which evidences which is more serious.

marsha7

But if everyone would just stay off MY roadways, I could reach my destinations quicker...

fintail

Yeah, because tickets are directly related to safety. Just as the LLC is not controlling, just everyone else.

Where's the eyeroll emotorcon? :shades:

oregonboy

Euphonium, I was just yankin' your chain to put some life into the thread. I figured it might generate a few posts. Things have gotten awfully slow around here since the implementation of Edmunds latest website "upgrade".

Won't they ever learn? Every time they try to improve things, they cause misery for their users and drive off a percentage of them. But that's off topic.

Hey, you are just flat wrong in just about everything that you have recently posted, but I am not going to attempt to change your mind. Just like you, I find it's easier to navigate around the clueless LLCs that to try to "control" them from behind. What a kidder...

marsha7

"Won't they ever learn? Every time they try to improve things, they cause misery for their users and drive off a percentage of them. But that's off topic."...

Which is quite interesting that we preach the only thing constant is change, and when change occurs, on something as innocuous as a web forum, we go nuts because they changed something with the intent to improve it...and it WILL work, as they are quite open-minded to our feedback, telling them what has stopped working...maybe we ARE the beta testing group...so what???...it's not like you are paying a monthly fee to post your thoughts...

So those that leave because of "change" are really quite immature, foolish and childish...let them go...

snakeweasel

So those that leave because of "change" are really quite immature, foolish and childish...let them go

Well that would depend on what the changes are. Anyway what about the forums have changed other than the look?

jwilliams2

Well that would depend on what the changes are. Anyway what about the forums have changed other than the look?

The main changes are that some things just don't work. I suggest you check out the "Edmunds Redesign-Tell us what you think here!" forum.

ruking1

On a 4 lane "freeway", there are really (defacto) 2 passing/fast lanes (aka #1 and #3) . I have not seen it written too much of anywhere.

ruking1

One might be tempted to see it that way but that really ignores those "bigger" vehicles you share the road with, i.e., tractor trailers.

marsha7

they made changes for the (intended) purpose of improvement, not just change for the sake of change...

elias

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013540043_restless28m.html

ruking1

That is all well and good. However, it seems to me that LLCing has been and continues to be rewarded, aka the rules against LLCing are NOT enforced!! It would seem to me that in today's motor vehicle citation as revenue enhancement could use a HUGE boost by just enforcing current laws!!?? It would be interesting to ask that same LEO in the link how many tickets he gives for "speeding" and how many tickets he gives for LLCing. I bet the ratio and numbers are overwhelming in favor of..... What would be everyones' guess?

So for example on normally traveled 80-90 mph highways in CA, there is NO minimum speed law. That is good and BAD for obvious reasons. So in theory one can go 35 mph in each lane (on a 4 lane highway) and be in complete and utter compliance with ... the law. The scary part is that REALLY happens !! You can see this more graphically on two lane highways (interstates,freeways) when a fully loaded tractor trailer (up to a triple trailer) going 54.5 mph uphill being passed by a tractor trailer going 54.6 mph. If you do not know what I mean or have never been stuck behind an elephant race like this.... fill in the blanks.

imidazol97

A few weeks back I posted about the idiot who did not want to turn right on red at a fairly heavy oblique turn. Instead he got out of his car and pranced around after giving the finger because I prompted him with one short toot of my horn. And he pointed to the sign.

Note, the sign says that the curb lane may turn right on red.

Now the intersection has been widened to allow two turn lanes to the right. Last evening I was in the new turn lane and made the turn on the green light. A jeep in the right lane promptly began to move over into the lane I was in after turning. So many people are used to making the right turn in the old right lane and then making an improper lane change with no signal OR they turn from the old lane into the second lane from the curb (agaiinst the Ohio Code).

The driver paid no attention to horn and flashing lights. He/she just moved over.

Guess they weren't too alert. BUT their license plate was "FOCUSSED." Oxymoron?

Maybe they should just have the "CUSSED" part?

hammerhead

"Lane campers, troopers will tell you, are a major source of road rage. They also present a safety hazard by forcing motorists to pass on the right, where other cars aren't looking for them.
"And they're breaking the law. RCW 46.61.100 forbids impeding the flow of traffic in the left lane of any roadway with two or more lanes. Drivers are required by law to move right if space is available.
"Please note: It doesn't matter how fast you're going. Impeding even a single car, at any speed, is illegal. You do not have the legal "right" to drive in the left lane as long as you maintain the speed limit. Period."

isellhondas

Last week I was stopped in traffic when I heard a siren approaching.

Looking around, I couldn't see where it was coming from but it was getting louder.

Then in my mirror a fire truck appeared about three cars behind me. We were totally stuck with nowhere to go but he left his siren on and started leaning on his air horn.

To make matters worse construction had one lane narrowed down to nothing!

So we did our best to squeeze over to let him by as he continued to blare his siren and horn.

FINALLY, I watched as he cleared the side of my car by maybe two inches!

I mean, what, exactly did he expect us to do!

ruking1

Actually you were lucky. The last time I complied with a fire truck directive it cost me (insurance actually) 20,000.

isellhondas

Can you explain what happened?

ruking1

Cut to the chase, I was ruled not at fault under LEO compliance and so called "good sam" laws. Basically a guy making a on coming left hand turn (traffic light guided) trying to "BEAT" the 2 fire trucks behind me and two police cars, hit me in the number 1 of 3 lanes. All vehicles were coded, i.e. lights, siren, horns. I saw them in my rear view mirror. To on coming traffic it should have been a virtual multi media show. Basically if he had hit a fire truck or a police car, instead of me, they would have thrown the books at him. Civilians in LEO compliance, get the short end of the stick. My recommendation is.... don't get involved.

isellhondas

Wow! Some people are just idiots!

No insurance either I suppose?

ruking1

Ah, one wonders how you would ...guess. :mad: There are further insults to his injury, but that might go further than the topic's thread.

tallman1

I was turning right out of a grocery store parking lot this morning. A car from the street was in the left turn lane, turning into the parking lot. Only she didn't turn into the lot, she made a U-turn right in front of me so that we were headed in the same direction. If I hadn't slammed on the brakes, we would have been occupying the same piece of pavement! :sick:

euphonium

If you had been driving an old go to work beater (Cars for Clunkers) she would have not forced her way into your lane.

U turn drivers are to always yield the right of way.

hammerhead

I drive one of those BRT's (big red trucks). We have Opticom over here - strobe & IR emitter turns our lights green. Traffic ahead of us just needs time to sort itself out - they know we're back there without too much noise. Not sure why you're guy was so impatient.

fintail

Every other idiot motorist in the Puget Sound area is a passive aggressive dolt, I guess some emergency vehicle drivers will be that way too.

fintail

I drove for a few hours today on I5 and some secondary highways - no real issues, but more LLCs than normal, or people following at insane distances as traffic streams around on the right, and they go slower and slower

Biggest idiot was someone who I won't stereotype in an Accord with fogged up windows who sped up as I passed on the right on a 4 lane road...he got up to about 80 in a 60 (almost no traffic and no LEOs for miles) once I made my car downshift and I flew by, he slowed way down. WTH?

hammerhead

Probably the same guy who posted on the Seattle Times story - something to the effect that 'I can drive in any lane I want at the speed limit, period.'
Some folks will never learn. Just need to squirt around 'em when you can & when it's safe.

isellhondas

This fire truck got stuck in hopeless traffic.

My point was, we KNEW he was there. We KNEW he needed to get through and we were frantically trying to make that happen!

He KNEW we had no place to go yet he leaned on his siren and air horns.

Had my 82 year old mother in law been ahead of him she probably would have had a heart attack!

imidazol97

I had a box truck of some kind associated with rescue or accident handling do something similar to me. Downtown Dayton, elevated interstate, lanes changed for construction. I'm in right lane waiting to merge into next lane since my lane ended. I have nowhere to go. The guy just keeps his sirens and horn going. Did he think I was going to helicopter and move out of his way?

hammerhead

My point as well. Pointless noise at that point.

fintail

Drove a few hours yesterday on the same roads as before. No huge problems, but some of the same idiocy - seemed to be a lot more LLCs than normal, people driving with high beams on normal daylight roads, and general ineptitude when decisions (exits, lane changes) are required. Two vehicles stick in my mind. LLC lifted dually GMC truck (yes, lifted and dually) that would drive on the shoulder, then weave back to the line on the right, then weave back again, all while going slower than the adjacent lane. Driver didn't appear distracted or drunk, just couldn't drive straight. Second one was a strippo late model Impala with a military windshield sticker and some kind of similar WA license plate, middle aged male driver, weaving and tailgating and trying to force his way through traffic. Then he got caught up in an exit back-up and all the people he annoyed zoomed past. Moron, and insulting the military at the same time.

stever

Lane Discipline is Important. Except to These Drivers (Inside Line)

fintail

I love it! Look at the [non-permissible content removed]-canoes...

Stuff like that along with the oblivious city drivers around here is what keeps me off of a motorcycle.

Sandman6472

Totally agree with ya on this...Edmunds is a FREE & FUN website which changes it's format every so often...and it's always better...EVENTUALLY! Many of us old timers are just going with the flow and not freaking out. To all the complainers...CHILL OUT & show some patience, things will get better. But like you said..."let 'em go" works for me too...and it's not like the powers that be don't know there are some major issues to tweak.

Bitching & complaining about a free service...unbelievable!

The Sandman :confuse: :sick: :shades:

marsha7

And now you know why they call the masses...the masses... :P

stever

complaining about a free service...unbelievable!

Well, if people didn't naturally grumble about problems they are having, the forums would be about 90% empty. So look on the bright side.

jensad

I have indeed seen and several times had to do the accident report, when the driver hit a big wide cement off ramp barrier and died. The deceased's passenger in the vehicle that told me "we were going 120 mph and I told him to slow down so he did to 95 mph".

I am sooooo glad to be retired as the job got old. Besides our grandchildren love to visit grandma and pa and eat lots of ice cream.

Good luck to all and stay safe and I hope all have a peaceful new year.

jensad

Sandman6472

Steve, I guess you're right about that, but the tweaks will happen & things will get back to normal. Folks just need to have faith in Edmunds...like I do. It's been a great site, & will continue to be one!!!

The Sandman :sick: :shades:

stever

Thanks!

Got a link for you btw:

ateixeira, "Car Commercials The good, the bad, and the annoying!" #4015, 28 Dec 2010 7:59 am

But you probably hate that song.

Sandman6472

As a matter of fact, I actually like that song! People joke with me about that song all the time...it never gets old!

The Sandman :sick: :shades:

fintail

Today's winners - First place: chimney sweep truck that pulled out right in front of me from a side street, nobody behind me for maybe 8 blocks, then proceeded to go 5 under and then made a left turn from a straight only lane. Second place: typical souless suit in a final run BMW E60 on a 4 lane road with a turn lane in the middle, made a left turn after slamming on his brakes....from the right, not the middle lane. Third place: "New resident" in a FX35 weaving around back and forth, apparently lost, scaring more than one car as signals and looking before changing lanes weren't being embraced.

And today's best Youtube video (and the one following it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5exATIaQiI

stickguy

saw a beauty at the olive garden tonight. Crowded, so most spots were in the back. They also lost a few to snow banks from the recent plowing.

well, one row close in had an end spot with a big pile covering 1/2 the spot. So some dude in a Buick like Andre's (if it was you, I apologize!) decided they were too lazy to walk, so they took this spot.

Car was about 5' off the ground in the front, and the RH side almost touching the pavement. nose pointing toward the sky on the left side. I have no idea how the fat lady got out of the passenger side without hitting the door, and couldn't tell is someone tried to get out of the drivers side! I mostly felt sorry for the guy parked next to them.

tallman1

A couple of thoughts about that video:

1. If anyone is sensitive to foul language, skip it.

2. That dude really needs to buy some editing software.

3. Instead of recording that mess, perhaps he should have gone down the hill and warned people. Not that those macho 4x4's would have listened. :sick:

fintail

True, the video is not for the easily offended...but on the other hand, if someone likes mind numbing stoned-out narration, it wins there.

I like the truck at the end that stops and then slides down. WTH :confuse:

Spokane had some similar minds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBXzrlo69BQ

shrifty

Hi Fintail, thanks for the link. I found it to be quite educational in terms of what NOT to do when driving in the winter. I took away the following three nuggets of wisdom:

1. Purchase tires that are capable in the winter. It was hard to tell from the camera bouncing around, but it seemed that a lot of the drivers did not have proper all-season/winter tires on their car.

2. When sliding, do NOT lock up the wheels. This will only make things worse, which everyone who crashed has done. For those that made it up/down, they kept the spinning/sliding to a minimum, which is why they made it through.

3. If you see that many people with their hazard lights flashing, go a different route.

fintail

Or less than awesome tires on trucks and SUVs with a dose of overconfidence.

Notice in the second vehicle a car makes it down the hill without issue. A CTS, I'll bet an AWD model with snow tires.

I don't get it either why people would see 20 wrecked cars alongside the road and then proceed.

hammerhead

That's the infamous Freya Street hill in South Spokane.
It's pretty much a skating rink over here, after 8+ inches of snow followed by near-zero temps. Lots of slide-offs and intersection 'events'. The freeway is bare & dry - thank you, WSDOT!