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Around here, like is shown in that article, there are a lot of wannabe law enforcers who think they have been deputized. I suspect they didn't buy into hope and change.
It's not just Washington either - I-90 Idaho to Montana has a fair share as well.
I thought winter would never come this year! It has been so nice!
Fairbanks Weather & Forecast on Wunderground.com
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As for the LLC article, this was a riot: The fact is, we're all in this together. Which, granted, can seem unfortunate, given the alarming numbers of us who are blockheads. But we still have to share the same roads. :P
I've never driven east of Spokane...eastern WA has been pretty easygoing for me though, usually lots of room to pass the dawdlers.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The typical old driver stuck his arm out the window to point at the red light. Then he waved his glasses out the window. He made lots of other movements. Then he got out of his car and stood and pointed to the stoplight. Big show.
He probably didn't realize he was on camera all the time since our lights all have 4 cameras and the picture is GOOD. I've been in the police station area where those are monitored with divided screens and rotating pictures. Our systems are so good they can track shoplifters and have a police car waiting if they take another ramp which the bad guys often do, as well as track them on the interstate.
I was waiting for the old guy in the toyota to approach our car, but I believe he assessed the situation early thinking I was just another older guy who posed no risk while he showed off; if he perceived I were stronger than him he wouldn't have gotten out of his car nor showed his rear like he did. He might want to think about self-defense on the part of other drivers who have guns in the car.
However, the problem for the Corolla driver is that the stoplight has a sign next to it saying "No turn on red" and in smaller letters at the bottom "except right lane" which was where he was sitting. What a fool. Dumb. :sick: :sick
If he regularly drives that intersection, I wonder what his reaction will be if he reads the sign and realizes he should have done a turn on red.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Am I reading this right? Another driver got out of his car and "mooned" you because you beeped at him for not legally turning on red?
He better never drive in NYC or Philly.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Things have gone back much to normal for winter driving here in Fairbanks. We still have a thick layer of ice on many roads in many places, but the traction has improved dramatically as temperatures plummeted 55-60 degrees from last week.
Unfortunately, "normal" seems to include those inconsiderate slow drivers (please note that I have nothing against slow drivers, only the inconsiderate drivers!) who think that 45 in the left lane, while the right lane is moving at 44, is okay.
Driving those amazingly slippery roads last week all by myself, or with only a handful of other, competent, drivers was the ultimate in freedom on public roads. It was so enjoyable, in fact, that it was easy to forget that all of those other fools even, or ever, existed. Now it is only a dream, yet a fond one at that. *sigh*
When you are first in line, then you can opt to turn, but don't expect the lead driver to operate on your decision.
Free right turn on red is probably the best traffic law to come out of the US - a ray of logic in a sea of lowest common denominator drivel - the policy doesn't exist anywhere I have seen in Europe anyway.
No mooning. He waved his arms, his glasses, pointed toward the stoplight (with the sign next to it that said "No turn on red except curb lane"), and made facial expressions of all kinds suitable to a comedy movie.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That would make more sense.... I feel like the [non-permissible content removed] now. :surprise:
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
No, simply because the light is red and there is no legal requirement to make a right turn on red.
Free right turn on red is probably the best traffic law to come out of the US
I am going to disagree simply because it seems I can't go a week without some idiot making a right turn on red in front of me and me having to either hit my brakes or make an evasive maneuver to avoid them.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Seems like they have a lot more unsigned intersections there, plus more yields and roundabouts.
Xwesx, for a second there I thought you said it dipped to 55 below. That's a bit chilly, even for Fairbanks.
Around these parts, the highway speed limit is 55 mph pretty much everywhere except the Interstates. On the two lane sections, you'll often have someone cruising between 50 and 55 and traffic backs up for a good ways. They call them "Michigan Funerals". Somewhere I lived we called them "wolf packs" for reasons that escape me now.
I drove a couple of hours on the somewhat snowy roads today and it's pretty amazing how well people do here. No one seems to be in a huge hurry and I only saw one car that had slid into the snow berm, and it was an older sedan. RWD perhaps?
Not turning when legally allowed when there is no oncoming traffic is simply illogical, ignorant at best, selfish and stupid at worst. Really, sitting at a poorly timed light managed by overpaid underworked public sector suck "traffic engineers" when there's no cross traffic is anything but smart.
Today's winner - middle aged dope in a 92-95 Civic, keeping a massive distance between him and the car in front of him on a 40mph suburban road. In the left lane of course. People would pass on the right, go around, and he would slow down even more. Created quite a bottleneck.
Runner up was a bicyclist I noticed while I was jogging. Ran a red light, almost got clipped by a Jeep, who honked...biker gave the finger. I think it should be legal to run these twerps down and drive away.
I bet clutches last longer over there, and people get better mpg from not having to come to a full stop so much.
I seem to get the majority of them at lights. Even had one this evening going to the gym. Had to do a major correction in the course and speed of my car.
Not turning when legally allowed when there is no oncoming traffic is simply illogical, ignorant at best, selfish and stupid at worst.
I would say at worst it is simply inconsiderate.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
ROFLMAO
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'm as hard on LLC as anyone, but that's because they have the opportunity... no make that the DUTY... to move over to the right. But I'm not saying they have to drive at any particular speed, just move over. The same situation doesn't pertain to turning right on red, or turning right or left into driving lanes.
There's a large intersection on my commute where the city actually put in a right turn light to encourage people to get moving. When the cross street turn lanes are green, the right turn lane from the street in question is also green, because when slowpokes failed to take their free turn at that time, traffic would back up for blocks. Maybe every intersection will need lights to keep some people moving.
Not making a turn is apparently not illegal, but obstructing traffic is. Just like with LLCs, going under the speed limit is legal, holding up cars isn't.
idiotCorolla driver to easily make a 70 degree turn into the right hand lane per Ohio Revised Code without impediing traffic in the left lane of the two.I tooted when he didn't move and there were amply opportunities for him to move his little blue on down the pike. He just didn't want to do so.
He was not a younger driver. I recall how unnerving some driver tailing characteristics are to new drivers. Ohio gives a rub on plastic sticker for the rear window as a part of new driver temp license kits: it says, New Driver, or words to that effect and is a gold glitter color that shows up clearly.
Clearly he was a left laner as well because he was trying to control the actions of the 4-5 of us behind him waiting to make a right turn to head for the interstate access area. I think he was too interested in controlling those of us behind him. Otherwise he would have noticed the sign said No turn on Red, except curb lane.
Standing up and making a fool of himself was amusing. I was wondering what would happen if he approached our car--my wife has back pains, takes vicodin, and is quickly outspoken on some days: she suffers no fools.
Since I knew it was all recording on video in clear HD at the police station, I found it all amusing.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Interestingly enough, when I was taking my driver's test so many years ago, I got a couple of points taken off because I didn't take a free right turn.
Washington state law uses the word "may" in regards to taking free right turns so it sounds like it isn't illegal. I don't know why I was dinged back then but obviously, holding up traffic is a concern.
I find myself being annoyed at other drivers frequently when they are blatantly inconsiderate, but when I get annoyed with those who really aren't doing anything wrong other than being near me, I have to take a step back and realize that the potentially inconsiderate one in that situation might just be me. When it comes specifically to right turns, one driver in a pickup might be annoyed that the small car in front is not taking a "free turn," but that driver might not be taking into account the pickup in the left lane that parked over the crosswalk and is blocking the view of the driver ahead. It is not necessarily the case that this driver does not want to take the turn, only that it takes more time to do so safely.
Remember, you aren't paranoid if everyone is really out to get you!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Can't wait for my drive home this evening!
Can't say one way or another why people won't make the turn but there could be opportunities to do something that one finds that needs to be done but can't be done in a moving vehicle. There may be other reasons.
but remember one thing; it is not required.
Not making a turn is apparently not illegal, but obstructing traffic is.
I would argue that not going through a red light is not obstructing traffic.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Since I started this with my observations of CorollaMan, I would assess his body langauge as someone preferring to control the drivers behind him than to make the right turn as 90% of the people do. A few people are relucatant because of the two lanes of traffic on the cross street: they are hesitant to turn into the right lane while a car is moving through in the left lane. Most cars are in the left lane because a few hundred feet along are two entrances to the highway which are both on the left and a popular discount store is on further by a few hundred feet on the left. When the number of cars is higher than on the morning noted, I can understand waiting for an opening in both lanes to turn right, and that double opening sometimes doesn't come for the timid driver.
However this driver was not timid. A timid driver doesn't wave their hand out the window. A timid driver does not get out of the car to prance and wave their glasses and figuratively "show their rear." Consequently, I judge him a little psychotic. I judge that he didn't read the whole sign where it says "except curb lane." Probably that occurred because he was more interested in aggression than in driving on along his merry way.
The majority of people there complete a right turn on red. He was being an obstructionist: RLO, red light obstructionist.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Or that he was having a real bad day and you were the last straw.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Occasionally there's someone from out-of-state, such as Indiana, there at the light and they don't want to do the turn. Even though Indiana has right turn on red, I believe, they are reluctant being out of their home state. I had the same thing in Michigan at the far west edge of Wayne county, along Ford Road. They use a left turn arrow stack that's strange. There are flashing yellow left arrows, there are flashing red left arrows, and I believe at some lights I saw a solid red left arrow. Occasionally, the light would show a green left arrow: I liked seeing those because I knew it was correct to turn left. I wasn't sure what to do at the reds.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Understood, but just as a driver is free not to make a right turn on red where it's legal to do so, so the drivers behind him are free to honk horns & use pungent language to express their opinions of aforementioned driver.
Here in NY - a state not known for the patience of its residents - you can be sure that the language used by the drivers waiting for the 1st driver to make the turn will be very pungent - enough so to embarrass a Marine drill sergeant.
That's probably why you don't see this sort of thing around here. It also helps that the municipalities & the state have done a good job overall of identifying intersections where right turns on red would be dangerous - because of poor visibility, for example - & marking those intersections with "NO TURN ON RED" signs.
Right turn on red is legal in every state. I believe that the Feds "encourage" this by threatening to withhold highway money from any state that doesn't allow it.
The only significant jurisdiction that doesn't allow right turns on red is New York City, which had to get special dispensation from the Feds to prohibit it.
I would seriously have to disagree with you on that one. Just because someone is not acting the way you "think" they should does not give you a license to act that way.
As for dangerous intersections sometimes the situation makes a intersection dangerous for a right turn on red. I remember one time a while back I was in the right turn at a red light but due to a semi that went a little to far past the stop line I couldn't see far enough to see if it was safe to turn.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If one is obstructing a line of traffic simply because they don't want to take a legal safe turn (remember, all of this presumed an open safe road with no obstructions or traffic) , don't expect anyone to mourn if something bad comes of it...
If something does come bad from it the person that does that bad should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law given absolutely no mercy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Now that you respond, I recall that the feds did use extortion to be sure every state went with their mandate on state laws.
I can hypothesize more that some of the Indiana drivers who are in this area for whatever reason aren't as used to higher traffic amounts. Many of them may live in rural areas and visit a city with high traffic rarely or not at all. I can understand reluctance on their part about the turns on red.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You are right, and most would agree that to just sit there is inconsiderate, as long as visibility is not an issue. Lots of things are "not required by law" but will still find you in disfavor with most thinking people. You must know by now that some here like to argue just for the sake of keeping the forum interesting.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Well, I must have misunderstood. I thought imidazo197 simply "tooted the horn once", and the Corolla driver was the one making a fuss. Sounded to me like there was only one inconsiderate "me first" driver, the guy in the Corolla.
There is a lot of good footage in HDTV of these truck drivers in cities and on one and a half lane gravel/dirt roads in the mountains where the edge of road is about 2 feet from mostly unprotected (guard rail) cliff. Drop-offs are 1,000 feet and more.
The inconsiderates shown on mountain roads are bus drivers, numerous passenger cars and some motorcyclists who drive too fast for conditions and come very close to our (Alaskan) truck drivers.
Saw one curious scene on road starting to go up a mountain where a small truck was pulling a trailer having a current vintage BMW 3-series coupe. Who in the mountains can afford that coupe?
These are 1-hour shows and number of them are scheduled for broadcast this Sunday afternoon and evening Dec 5.
The Alaskan driver Rick gets uptight about the various inconsiderates he encounters and he swears (beeped out) at them or wants to punch them out.
The rather impotent "law" doesn't scare road ragers...it's only illegal if you get caught. And at the very least, the bozo refusing to turn deserves to be called in as a suspected drunk...let a LEO harrass him for a while, then he'll know what wasting time is like.