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Completely, 100%, absolutely true. Except when you can get sued for "intolerant" acts, such as when hiring, etc.
This statement appears to have been attributed to Kinley, but I have no evidence that it was his. Assuming he made it, I find it interesting that the man who often stresses that those among us who wish to exceed the speed limit in the left lane should be very tolerant of those who wish to drive the speed limit or slower in the left lane.
Right ON!!! Keep up the good work. You're killin me!!!!
you-"So you all wonder why black folks cheer when a guilty dude like OJ WALKS !!!???"
you-"What do you mean, who said OJ was guilty?"
My "who said that" was not specifically referencing any(your)example.
"Dear Lord, if you just see me to the motor vehicle office and back in one piece, I promise to obey all the rules of the road. At least, the ones that make sense!"
-Mama Harper, on her way to the DMV to get her license.
That may be true...but everywhere I have driven it is a COURTESY to allow faster(speeding or non speeding)moving traffic continue in the left lane. Let's say you had to get someone to the hospital ASAP for emergency care...seconds count...Wouldn't you like that COURTESY extended to YOU?
What about those that drive below the speed limit?
Just because you're breaking some stupid law doesn't mean you're a bad person necessarily. It might just be a stupid law. Like a 55 mph speed limit in an area where it's safe to do 70. It's revenue, short and simple. Safety has nothing to do with it.
I'll believe all these laws of the road are for our own safety when I see the police starting to obey them!
Amen brother!
Just a few weeks ago...traveling down the highway on my way to work, light traffic(11:45 pm on a weeknight). Cop blows by me...I'm doing 70...I'm guessing he is pegged at 120-130. LIGHTBAR NOT ON!!! Sorry, but if there is a need to go that fast there's no excuse for not flipping the lightbar switch to the ON position.
i'll follow the rules when the cops do!
one day i was driving up 91N in CT at 6:30am on a saturday, and a state trooper pulls onto the highway from an entrance ramp hauling some major butt. no lights, uniform still HANGING in the back seat by the hook...off to an emergency? i dont think so!
i ended up following him from a distance...in order to keep up with him i had to do almost 100mph!
55mph my [non-permissible content removed]! ;-)
-thene
In the case of them stopping someone, the only REAL rules they have to abide by (to make it stick) is current case law and directives. The fact of the matter is a highway patrol can stop you for just about ANY reason !! Normally it is the exercise of discretion that can be debated.
Kinley: "We are not going to convince each other on this issue so that's 30." 30 what?
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Yeah, because those speed limits = safety, and the people who set them know what they are doing.
Here in Pennsylvania the speed limit is 65 mph...and I usually travel at least at 75 mph. Which is perfectly safe. Most of the boneheaded moves I see are made by the slowest drivers.
"If courtesy is an important factor in driving"
Imo, it is.
"it is courteous to be safe and not exceed the speed limit."
Help me with this...what makes you think I can't travel 10-15 mph faster than you and not be safe?
LOL, thats hardly a "high balling reckless speeder".
"Expecting another driver to be courteous to the high balling reckless speeder..."
If its the high balling speeder I have in mind...
Im not moving over to be courteous, Im moving over for my own safety!
I agree with grbeck...In my experiences the slow drivers tend to be the ones who use poorer judgement.
Rules of the Road 101
It's the same reason I tell my kids to walk down the right side of the sidewalk... so everyone can keep moving along.
Driving on I-70 last week, posted limit of 65 for cars, 55 for trucks. Trucks basically staying in the right lane (except to pass... what a concept!) running at about 60-65, cars in the left lane running about 70-75. Seeing troopers at regular intervals, so these speeds are acceptable. (Oddly enough, we saw at least a half dozen big rigs pulled over for what I assume was speeding, but no cars being ticketed) Then you come up on the "safe" driver, tooling along in the left lane at 55. They may as well be stopped in the road. They won't move over into the lane with the trucks and won't speed up to go with the flow of the traffic. So what choice is there? You have to make a dangerous pass on their right when you have a chance in a space between a couple of 18 wheelers. We ran into this a couple of times in the 1200 miles on the trip. The backed up traffic would actually almost stop as the "pressure" of normal traffic tried to squeeze past one car at a time. The rolling roadblock technique is certainly creating more dangerous situations than it's preventing.
Heck, just easing off the gas to look at a big rig that had run off the road, with NO travel lanes blocked, caused a 5 mile long, 1 hour delay for us.
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Yes...and a real good place to observe where this is important is at a busy airport w/ the moving sidewalks.
Rules of the Road 101"
WHAT A CONCEPT !!
Folks like Kinley, ...ET AL... would find that concept RADICAL !!!
In regards to passing on the right (two lanes of traffic and above each way) in CA it is perfectly legal, but then we have three anomolies:
1. Arnold whats in grewber running for governor.
2. 44 billion dollar deficit
3. The lowest fatality rate per 100 M mile driven!!!!:) but still it would be helped with your radical concept!!! KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS!
I do this almost every time the situation presents itself. However, even I have to admit that at times it feels like shoveling sand against the tide.
If you also have driven in the Boston metro area again during rush hour, that would be another one of your places of nirvana! It is so lovely that they are defacto extending the rush hr periods from a low of 6 hrs to 12-14hrs, especially during the underground highway construction period! WOO WOO! If you go 35 mph average, YOU are really flying!!
Whew! Glad that's settled, now we can all go home.
Ok-Say someone was doing the posted limit of 60 and you were doing 45, a 15 mph difference. Would you extend the aforementioned courtesy because there was no speeding, but instead that 15 mph difference?
Say the the speeds were between 75 and the 60 mph- a 15 mph difference. Is it just the speeding(faster than 60 mph) that makes the difference to you?
I want to know about the qualifications of "the law" in setting limits. I want to know why people should blindly defer to "the law" in such matters. Most speed limits are arbitrary, IMO, and exist for revenue generation above any masquerade of public safety..
regards,
Pat
And I'd actually be greatful if some of these left lane campers would just do the speed limit! I can't tell you how many times I've come up on someone in the left lane, creating a safety hazard, rolling 5-10 mph below the speed limit, as every other car on the road is passing on the right.
Also, the law has nothing to do with how qualified people are to drive. It's all about revenue, pure and simple.
It's hilarious when people like that try to speed up when you pass them. Once you get around them, you can have fun.
In this case, if it were truly a safety issue, then my take is drivers would adhere to that posted speed limit.
Also, by encouraging passing on the right, you're getting faster traffic into the slower lanes, where there may be people merging and exiting. It just disrupts the flow of traffic, and encourages people to weave in and out of traffic, creating a dangerous situation for everyone.
Kinley, I think you really do know all this, and comprehend it. You just like to stir the pot a little, is all.
No matter what the view, one has to acknowledge that he works assiduously at being curmudgeonly.
I wonder why someone like kinley (if his stories are indeed true and not just some ruse to get people going) thinks they have the right to sit and dawdle in the left lane and obstruct countless others. Selfish and irresponsible. You can move, or sooner or later, someone will move you. I've driven on the continent, and experienced not nearly so many left lane dawdlers....I guess it's common courtesy, if not common sense. I have no problem with moving over for a faster vehicle when the situation arises. One has to wonder why anyone would have a problem.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/artman/publish/article_743.html
Or do you just stay in the left lane just for the heck of it? (all the time)
Just for the record, I strongly disagree about the "passing on the right is just as safe!" statement.
A driver in the left lane at the maximum speed limit is NOT a "slowpoke".
Gambit: Only at the maximum speed limit do I stay in the left lane because that's the limit. Your choosing to go faster than the limit does not influence or command me to get out of your way. Usually I'm in a line behind other drivers at the limit in the left lane.
Likewise, if you're in the passing lane, doing the speed limit, and actually passing slower traffic, then you're not doing anything wrong either (unless they're doing 64 and you're passing them at 65!)
But if you're in the passing lane doing the speed limit, and everybody else is blowing past you on the right, and all you're doing is holding up traffic, then you're just creating a dangerous situation. If you want to do the speed limit when everybody else is not, then you should do it in another lane. They're going to get around you, regardless, whether they pass you on the left, right, median, or shoulder.
I think the main thing you get mad at, Kinley, is the Speed Racer wannabe who wants to drive at any speed he feels appropriate, and expects to make like Charleton Heston parting the Red Sea when it comes to the passing lane. I have a problem with those types of people, too. I see them on occasion, when the flow of traffic is, say, 70 mph, and they come up on the pack at 90 and expect everyone to just get out of their way. Now that's fine, if they're out in the desert or something, and the "flow of traffic" is just two old hags driving side by side at 70, on an otherwise deserted road. If possible, you should never ride, pacing the vehicle beside you, and if it's an empty road, well you don't belong in the passing lane, anyway.
another time, my fiance and i were driving down route 15 in PA just north of harrisburg, when this woman pulls out from the right, turning left. we assumed she was going to pull into the suicide lane (the double turning lane in the middle) and then get on her side of the highway...
nooooo....
she starts driving towards us in OUR lane! she is driving in the WRONG direction down route 15, completely oblivious to the fact she's on the wrong side. we were lucky enough to be able to swerve around her last minute, you'd think at this point she'd notice...
NOOO!!
she keeps GOING down the road on the WRONG SIDE for who knows how long! she was still on the wrong side when we lost sight of her in our rearview mirror!
i think there should be mandatory testing once you reach a certain age to keep your drivers license. i would hate for someone to lose their life because an older person doesnt know when its time to quit...
oh wait, thats already happened in CA with that farmers market...
hello govt! lets do something here!!!
*steps off soapbox*
you may now return to your regular LLC complains.
-thene ;-)
Those road signs being green blend in with the grass and trees in the Summer. No wonder I can't see them. Eh ! what's that route ? Is it 15. Goes to Gettysburg.
we should make those signs neon pink just for them right? ;-)
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