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What does this mean on a practical basis? You need to be "one thousand two thousand", seconds as a minimum behind your LLCer. Even if you get back in front of your LLCer 18 inches in front of his nose (I do not reccomend this) , it is the LLCers responsibility NOT TO TAILGATE. Turn around can be fair play?
-james
No matter. You didn't get a ticket.
Interesting that you were counselled about not inciting road rage, and the VW driver is left to go about his left Lane camping.
What's wrong with this picture ?
I was stopped once before by a cop in a pickup. That was for blowing a stop sign out in the country, late at night. Another case of "Just be more careful". It was April 15th and I was on my way to mail my tax return.
I think the pickup driving troopers are (maybe) Fish & Game Enforcement, and disinclined to write traffic citations.
-james
Why do I keep hearing about how bad passing on the right is? (Obviously no one told me not to do it. I learned to drive 3-4 years ago, in CA.) It doesn't make sense to me though... people are always going to be changing lanes rightward if just to exit. And unless it's an odd hour, traffic isn't much faster on the left at all, nor slower on the right. If you're in the left lane and move one over, go for a while, and then move left again, is that passing on the right? (Something I do on slight uphill grades, when my Tercel just can't keep left-lane speeds.)
And if so many people here complain about left lane campers, why doesn't anyone outside of here know about the 'rule'?
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It also breaks up the flow of traffic, and if you have more than two lanes, in each direction, you have a the problem of somebody passing on the right, just as somebody else is passing on the left, both jockeying for that empty spot in the middle.
For that matter, this same general rule was apparent when I used to run on outdoor and indoor tracks. There were signs stating that the outer lanes were for walking and slower runners, inner lanes for faster running. And there were STILL those #@$% left lane campers on the track! Even walking in the running lane! And it led to the same cluster-____ that happen on the highways.
I decided not to pas but just to linger behind him and see if he'd screw up. He ran out side the lines several times and speed changed but he managed to drive on...
That book wasn't the driver's manual was it ? Or was it a Martha Stewart's "Stock Tips for the Day trader" ?
"Federal Prison - Making it Your Home Away from Home?"
The efficient flow of traffic absolutely requires the complete absence of police vehicles in the area.
I hadn't thought of the visibility issue. With all the old cars that don't have mirrors on the right side, I understand it. I guess I just don't see the left lanes actually going faster than the right lanes all that often. Only at the edges of rush hour, when there are a lot of cars but no congestion. Less or more traffic, and it's a free for all.
Does it mean that if you're in a middle lane, you shouldn't be overtaking cars to your left? If so, I suddenly understand why people here hate left lane campers so much more than I do (which I do, just not quite so much).
Passing Lane Protocol http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Show/Audio/200335/RA/s10.ram
I've read the post from quotes from somewhere about people daring to use the left lane to pass causes bunching; but doesn't the speed up and bumper-gate cause the bunching. IF the 80+ crowd in 65 interstate land would learn to go with the flow and speed dangerously above the limit when there truly is little traffic and noone in the lane in front of them, safety would be greatly increased.
I use the Michigan (non-Detroit) technique. IF someone comes up rapidly behind and stays back a reasonable distance while I'm passing, I speed up and get around and pull over. IF they run and demand use of the lane their federal taxes or ability to buy an Excursion or expensive German car gives them the right to use, I proceed to complete the pass and allow them to continue to use my lane after I've freed it up for them.
IOW courtesy is the key.
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If you are the overtaking car stay behind a minimum of "one thousand Mississippi, two thousand Mississippi", behind.
I think a major "dis" courtesy is the "slower car" in front IN the passing lane. A whole lot of folks while in the passing lane, in effect/defacto want to debate whether or not he or she should move. The issue being who knows what ie., Being a vigilante, UP YOURS!, I'm in front of YOU, one's rights, one's speed or lack there of, car type, whether one had a bad day, cell phone subscriptions, trying to wack the kids in back, drinking coffee, etc, etc.
The upshot is STAY RIGHT EXCEPT to PASS !! This seems to be VERY plain English that many many LLC's DO NOT WANT to understand.
It's all about "control." See post 1946.
Best driver areas for courtesy were Michigan interstates (non-Detroit) and Philadelphia and the turnpike in Eastern PA. I was amazed at Philly drivers who would let you over to pass in morning traffic.
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I remember one who was putting on makeup tailgating around a cloverleaf. I applied the brakes and she hit hers and the curb on the outside circumference of the roadway. I'd like to see the lipstick mess after that.
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I had a woman in an Excursion pass me the other day, in a 55 mph zone, I was doing 60 mph, she went by me and looked over with this smug *I'm bigger and better* look.
I drive an Explorer these days and sure do miss my lifted Suburban.
Harry
WHOA buster, I think that's a pretty darn unfair stereotype!! I'm a woman and yes, I DO drive an SUV, but I certainly am NOT trying to equate my driving ability with my husband's paycheck. I drive an SUV because, its 1.) practical for me and my family, 2.) I live in Alaska and the 4WD is a nice thing to have, and 3.) I do actually drive my SUV offroad. I can most certainly handle my SUV and have driven bigger vehicles. I can handle a pickup truck AND a horse trailer or 18 foot flatbed trailer.....can you??
***3. Pick-up trucks in general. The bigger the truck the worse the driver. Only pickups with camper shells can be trusted to know what they're doing. Often driven by young men who'd rather be in a Mustang.***
Again, VERY unfair. My husband drives a pickup truck.....a 1 ton for that matter and ya know what, he's a darn good driver, he drives the truck because he NEEDS it for work. It gets worked and darn hard too. He's a logger part time and a firefighter by trade......ya know, he drives the HUGE fire trucks that people like you fail to get the out of the way for.
So, before you go lumping everyone together get your darn facts straight......BTW, what do YOU drive?
May I add: Minivans driven by guys with no women or children on board... compelled to drive 20 over the limit to compensate for the Mommy-mobile image.
james
akangl - I think that townha11's post (like mine) was not intended to be taken too seriously. I hope yours was also tongue-in-cheek.
I pride myself in the fact I'm a very good driver and my husband is also an excellent driver.
My Explorer used to be owned by a woman who fit your stereotype, poor thing thinks it went to hell when it ended up with me. I actually make it, *gasp*, work.
Our Chevy on the other hand has been beat half to death most of its life by its previous owner(s), probably why its sucking us dry with repairs this week.
Inattentive, distracted, dangerous. In way over their head when it comes to vehicle size. Can be
vindictive."
Too funny. It's happened enough it rings true. I've been tailgated by women who think a big vehicle makes them in charge and invulnerable to the laws of physics. I had one tailgating me on the way to work who refused to pass even though I slowed down to 25 on two-lane road in the country. She sat behind me as I got out of the car -- I was on the shoulder. I guess her Excursion was the power-truck in her life. Others have tailgated so closely they would lose control if I had to slow down because they would hit me or lockup their wheels if they were quick enough.
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We had one not too long ago pass us on the right hand side of my Explorer......um, that would be on the shoulder, even though the northbound lane (left hand side of my Explorer) was perfectly clear. He was doing in excess of 100 mph, one wrong move, one little twist of fate and he would have killed himself, his passenger and my family. He was a young guy in a new Infinity G20 who thought he was invinsible.
This is one of the main reasons I drive an SUV, I WANT to be bigger and if I had my way and could afford it I would indeed be driving an Excursion, diesel, with at least a 4 inch lift and 33's for tires.
Anyway, I immediately recalled the German law that says that no vehicle shall be allowed to idle for more than 30 SECONDS! If the lights go on at a railroad crossing in Germany, for example, all the cars stop and turn their engines off - and their trains are fast. What is it with people who sit and just idle their engines? Do they hate fresh air? Is it some kind of civil liberties issue? Or are they just inconsiderate nincompoops? You may remember the old camping adage, "Don't poo where you eat." Maybe we should add, "Don't pollute where you breathe." Anyway, Germany's too far away to go for a breath of fresh air, so turn that sucker OFF.
I laugh when I see those off the road when it's ice or snow here in Ohio while normal cars are safe and sound. I laugh when I see them rolled over on the interstate on dry pavement because of their high center of gravity rolling them when driven like sports cars -- a common sight at the confluence of two main interstate highways here.
I laugh when one passes me going 73 because they were going 80+ in the left lane of 3-lane interstate only to be held up 600 feet ahead by the clump of traffic which I was pacing at 73 but at a safe distance back. Oh and that driver cut in nearly clipping my front fender.
This doesn't apply to _all_ SUV drivers, but some out there use the car as the extension of their ego. Next after them are the pickup truck drivers, a small fraction of whom think they are not prone to losing control.
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And women in SUVs... it's a horrible stereotype, but every stereotype is based on experience. And "experiences" involving vehicles that will absolutely cream you stand out more than others. Especially when you've already heard the stereotype, then one incident "confirms" it for you. Especially when it could have killed you.
Jolie, I don't think anyone has a problem with people who have trucks and SUVs and actually use them. It's the poseur with the jacked up 3/4 ton Superduty quad cab that will never haul anything heavier than the owner's fat behind and will never go farther offroad than through the planter in the grocery store parking lot that bugs me.
-Jason
Enough pop psychology; what's with nerds who refuse to use turn signals? Can I make a citizen's arrest or something?
Having said that I do have a problem with the idiots who lift thier trucks 8 to 12 inches, that's just flat stupid.
I hate that turn signal thing, too. That and when people don't pull as far to the left as they can when making a left turn.
People -- this ain't rocket science.
What I hate are those No Turn On Red signs that make no sense. There are intersections that warrant them, but here in the Twin Cities I would say 80% or more of them are completely unjustified. I ignore them regularly.
Let's say you have two cross streets one block away from each other, each with identical non-obstructive surroundings. One has a light with a No Turn On Red sign, and the other has a Stop sign. What justifies keeping a car that wants to turn right at the red light from turning right after determining it is OK to do so, but allowing the same action a mere one block away?
Worthless control freaks are running things around here.
And when there are no pedestrians, or when they have to wait on the corner for the light, I again say, who cares? As long as I don’t hit them, everything works out just fine. Again, this ain’t rocket science.
Alleviating this problem does not in any way require that we get rid of the ability to lawfully turn right on red, which is my gripe with your statement. All it requires is for drivers to be responsible for their actions and to be respectful of pedestrians.
And yes, it is classic control freak mentality to solve this problem, such as it is, by a draconian measure like outlawing all turning right on red everywhere for all time.
I agree that blocking pedestrians is bad, and I occasionally back up out of their way if required when the waiting to turn on red took longer than anticipated, and I stay back if I see that a pedestrian may soon be crossing my path at a red light where I want to turn red. I drive responsibly, and I do not need a No Right On Red law to do so. Nor does anyone else.
What you are arguing is taking the concept of right on red vis a vis pedestrian and blowing it out of proportion. No one's arguing for running down grandma, but I don't expect to sit at a deserted intersection waiting to turn right, either.