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  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    "I am talking about outright lies, disinformation and anti tax propaganda. Stuff like your wages are not taxable income "

    I was an application computer programmer. Last years were spent mainly in support of Payroll applications. I usually tried to do a 'walk around' of my Payroll 'customers' each day. (Justifying why I was away from my desk goofing off.) Wandered into the Payroll Supervisor's office while he was hurrumping his way thru a letter from an employee. The employee was declaring himself exempt from taxes. (He was already living in Texas which has no personal income tax, so no withholding for this.) He was directing Payroll to stop withholding of Social Security/Medicare and Federal Income Tax. Quoting a string of the ultra-right wing nonsense that you noted. I asked the supervisor what he was going to do about the letter. He said he would just forward it to the legal department and let them deal with him.

    As you said, it's unbelievable what some people actually think is true, or will attempt.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Rest assured that barring an over all decrease, or a decrease ONLY in above legal speeds it would shift to legal or less speeds, aka speed does not kill in the conventional (party line) sense. I am also glad you said that you don't believe that any reasonable person believes that speed causes (most) to ALL accidents. You were actually seemingly starting to define your position as ALL.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If you had that idea you were misunderstanding my posts.

    What I was trying to explain is a flaw in logic, if one tries to infer from the stats that show 80% of accidents happened at legal speeds and 20% at super-legal speeds, that it means speed is not a contributor to accidents. Or that going faster than legal speeds is somehow safer, in general, than going at legal speeds.

    That's all.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    To me the most important part is what is done with the information. Just like you hear strict to totally weird interpretations from something as simple as "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS", I would assume it is all over the place for the 80% of accidents happening at legal speeds and below.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Out in the fintail this morning - going about 30 on a deserted 35mph road, an 60-something looking man in a newer Fit pulls right out in front of me, making me dive for the brakes. He's distracted as he is entering info into the dopey suction cup attached nav on his windshield. I restrain myself and don't honk or ram him off the road. An upcoming light changes from red to green before we arrive, but he slows to a stop anyway as he's again playing with the nav. I toot the horn to wake him up and he doesn't move, so I lay on the horn for several seconds, and he gets moving slowly (the car has a very loud horn). Then the road gains a lane and I pass, and he gives me a dirty look and an excited gesture. I just shake my head at him and give another honk. I hope the next time he pulls in front of someone, it's a speeding semi who ends his driving career. These people are going to be scary as hell in another 20 years.

    I also discovered something yesterday - if I go about 10-15 over, I can make many of the lights that are usually red. Our "traffic engineers" at work.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    I need to find a compact, very loud airhorn or equivalent for under the hood of my car. Loud enough that people will be very surprised to hear that much noise from that size of car.

    To be used judiciously, of course. :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,344
    was on the AC expressway yesterday afternoon. Moderate traffic, clear weather. I set the CC to 75 in the right lane, and was getting passed like I was granny out driving the '51 Stude. Apparently 90+ is a good speed for that road. But did not see one LEO out or back.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I'd like one loud enough to break the windows of the offending car, but not harm mine :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Sounds like driving in metro ATL.

    Where in SEA, you can go 1 over and be the fastest car on the road.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    I dont want to do any damage. Just want an attention getter.
    But if it were to cause some stains, well...
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,950
    Apparently 90+ is a good speed for that road

    I've noticed that right where it goes to three lanes with the barrier on the left it really picks up in speed. A few weeks back I did catch myself approaching 85 in the middle lane in that part of the road. Darn Buick is smooth ;)

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    This morning, the winners are left turners. First saw a white "skilled tradesman" style (who are often jerky drivers, at least around here) box truck who turned left directly in front of an oncoming Ranger, who had to swerve into the oncoming lane to avoid it. Then I saw a newbie looking so-called motorist in a late model S-class turn directly in front of an oncoming Pilot - and just dawdled across the intersection. A big part of me hoped the Pilot would just smash into it at 35mph. I swear, some out there have bought their licenses.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    How will they drive better next time without damage? :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    edited January 2012
    Hahah, that reminds me of many years ago driving my '69 Econoline. Actually, I may have related this story already.... :blush:

    It had a CB radio and PA system installed on it. I was at a turn-only-on-green-arrow left turn lane back in 1998, second in line, when the light turns green. The lady in front of me, in a fancy car of some sort (memory is failing me now), just sits there, distracted by something in her hands. I went to honk the horn, but it just let out this feeble "e-e-e-e-e-e" noise, barely audible in my own vehicle. Still, she sits there. Desperate to make the very short green, I grab the CB radio, flip it to PA, and yell in this long, wrath-of-God sort of tone, "GOOOOOOOO!!!!!."

    Startled, she dropped whatever it was she held, looked up and around, then went through. Sadly, though, the light had turned yellow by that time and I was stuck waiting for the next light, about two minutes later. :(
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    I've said before that the Michigan State Police "get it!"

    This link below provides two links that are very informative and show why they seem to be the only police agency around that do understand traffic engineering and safety when it comes to speed.

    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1564-87384--,00.html

    Particularly, look at the Establishing Realistic Speed Limits Booklet link.


    Can anyone out there find any police agency/department in the nation that actually publishes and speaks out for realistic speed limits, rather than maximum revenue generating speed limits?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    Update on the citation saga in San Diego County.

    I went to the county seat traffic division in cental San Diego to take the next step in my ticket defense. As noted earlier, the ticket was not submitted because the officer failed to put down a legitimate date on the ticket for "notice to appear by" He put 1/7/12 at 8:00 a.m. which was a Saturday and the courts are closed on Saturday. The ticket has therefore not been entered into the system. He will have to re-write it if he wishes to continue on with his false allegations.

    I had the court clerk stamp the back of my ticket " NO RECORD "

    She again reiterated the cop had 1 year to reissue the ticket. I kindly reminded the clerk that if he did so it would be a violation of my right to a speedy trial, but that concern was an issue for the judge if it ever came up.

    So as it stands, I"m considering this one a victory. I'm 2-0 on Lake Murry Blvd vs. La Mesa PD.

    If he does decide to persue his false allegations, I will be forced to remind the judge my Constitutional right to a speedy trial has been grossly violated, and prejudiced my case.

    I'm pretty sure he won't dare to do it. He knows he wrote a false ticket, making a false police report, and a false accusation. If he re-wrote the ticket, I'd like to press charges TWICE for filing a false report!
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    1-0-1. This one was no contest.
    Part of me hopes he re-files. Part of me hopes he doesn't.
    All of me hopes you either slow down or get caught again.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    So you possibly beat the ticket on a technicaity, doesn't mean you were right.

    A few things: First about your right to a speedy trial, I would be surprised if they didn't take that into consideration when they came up with the one year rule.

    Second I don't think a lawsuit regarding filing a false report would go anywhere. You were going well above the posted speed limit.

    Finally you seem to have a history on this road. You know what the posted speed limit is and that the police watch it. So why do you speed? Seriously the 15 to 20 seconds you save is far less than the time you spend fighting it and posting about it here.

    Slow down, you will live longer and might enjoy life more.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited January 2012
    Second I don't think a lawsuit regarding filing a false report would go anywhere. You were going well above the posted speed limit.

    Yes, I was going over the posted speed limit, but I was in no way driving unsafely, not even remotely, and the officer knows it, I know it, everybody knows it. Furthermore, the officer knew the law, and that he had to prove "safety" was violated in court.

    First about your right to a speedy trial, I would be surprised if they didn't take that into consideration when they came up with the one year rule.

    LOL. :surprise: I would NOT be suprised the issue didn't enter their feeble minds when making the 1 year rule up. The 1 year rule is obviously there to maximize revenue potential, and has nothing to do with protecting people's rights under the Constitution.

    Think about this, if you were an innocent man, how long would you want heavy weighty charges hanging over your head? If you are innocent, it seems reasonable to assume you'd want to go ahead and get the trial with over as soon as possible, as you can be sure you'll be found not guilty. The sooner the better. The stress of not knowing is great on an innocent victim. Really, the whole purpose of the "RIGHT" is to not allow the goverment to hold charges against you for a long period of time without standing the test of the courtroom, and dragging it out and prolonging it to maximize harm without a conviction. Memories fade, evidence is lost over time, witnesses move locations or die off due to sickness or old age.

    As to this case being judged a tie..... I think it is a clear win for me. As long as he doesn't refile, it has to be a win, because I received a citation, and no conviction was obtained by the State. The scoreboard HAS TO be based on conviction or no conviction. Whether it's a dismissal or a "not guilty" verdict, or some other technicality, all that is simply a footnote to the scoreboard. You are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It should be as if the charges were never filed/issued.

    So why do you speed?

    Because the speed limit is ridiculously low and makes criminals out of the majority of drivers. I refuse to blindly obey ridiculousness.

    I'm debating who I should write to or call first regarding getting this speed limit changed. I should probably wait until the 1 year statue of limitations is up.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    So you possibly beat the ticket on a technicaity, doesn't mean you were right.

    Doesn't mean I was wrong either.

    Since less than 50% of the cops' tickets are holding up in court (assuming this goes my way for a year), I think I'm in the right more often than they are. Things have a funny way of working out. I might win some I deserved to lose, and I might lose some I deserved to win.

    In this case, I deserved to win, and it appears I have done so baring some miracle by the City of La Mesa.

    On a side note, the CA courts of traffic are so corrupt, they recently enacted a rule that people with ticket fines outstanding for over (4 years I believe) may opt to notify the court that they owe them money, and have the outstanding balances reduced by 50%.

    This smells of desperation for revenue to me. I hope most people don't fall for the trick, and simply just STIFF the STIFFS.

    They probably have faulty and incomplete tracking of these ancient old fines. They probably can't do anything about it except get a penny on the dollar and send it to some equally corrupt collection agency.

    I can't believe they are "pardoning" 50% of the punishment simply for having been a deadbeat and not paid your bills/fines over a long period of time.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Snowed a little here today, plenty of cars out with just a little peephole cleared for visibility, and rear glass untouched. Of course, for the average dumbed down motorist here, it matters little as they never look anyway.
  • roadshowroadshow Member Posts: 1
    Ugh, yes!!!! I am so upset right now.

    I'm sorry, I am all for safety especially when it comes to our kids. But School bus drivers and these adult's doing cross gard duty are so inconsiderate!

    They wait for these kids walking a freaking block away to either board their bus or cross the road when those kids need to be there on time in either situation.

    I pay taxes, schools cost taxes - All I am asking for is a little bit of consideration.

    Just about every day this happens, I gotta wait for this school bus and all these kids to take their time (middle school to high school kids) finding their seat, then this other kid about a block away just walks to the bus, no hustle or anything, by this time all those kids have already sat down, so me and the 6 drivers behind me are just waiting for that stupid school bus and that kid with no fire in their pants what so ever.

    Leave the damn kid! They will be there on time tomorrow. I gotta get to work on time or I won't be able to pay taxes tomorrow so these kids can get a ride and a free lunch.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Drove in the snow yesterday, thought I would be hardworking and come into work - I was one of about 4 people there, drive in was fine, drive back was a mess, saw a truck with TX plates almost lose it not far in front of me. Didn't go above 20mph the whole trip. Only annoyance I have seen are large 4x4s driving too fast - there really needs to be a licensing scheme based on mass.

    Today, car stays in the garage, icepocalypse 2012 has hit the eastern Seattle suburbs.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    I guess it's Seattle's turn. Given the traffic I've seen down there, I think keeping the car garaged until the weather passes is a wise move. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I was dumb to go in yesterday, all it got me was dirty snow on my car (yes I cleaned it off :blush: ) and some free food. Today, I can watch people trying to make it up the hill I live on, as the ice continues to accumulate. Something like 100K without power south of here, hope I don't become one of them.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Now you know why the bus is deemed, "Loser Cruiser". ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Fun one today: Accord makes a left turn onto a major road right in front of me. I back off not to run in his wake, but he crawls along as the snow on the grass on the side of the road probably made the likely newbie "driver" scared. I pass on right to actually go a normal speed and not be in his wake, he speeds up, I punch it and go past, he flashes his lights and honks. Yes, it's my fault you pulled out in front of me. You start the war, I end it. It's way past time to increase licensing standards. These people would probably be shot in places like LA or ATL or MIA.

    Note to Seattle drivers: the snow is gone. It's 45F out, and 95+% of roads in my city are either bare and wet or bare and dry. You don't need to go 15mph anymore.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    These people would probably be shot in places like LA or ATL or MIA.

    Nah. Everyone would be too busy gawking at the snow... esp in LA and MIA.

    Friday in central WI--where people DO see snow all the time--there were several instances of inconsiderate driving. The worst were some that fortunately I didn't see. Driving east on I-94 near the Dells, in a light snow--nothing big, drive lanes were actually pretty good and safe to about 60 mph (65 limit on the road). Everyone was moving along just fine. Then I saw a clump of vehicles up ahead and slowed, then realized they were stopped. Turns out there was a massive incident a few miles ahead. Traffic was stopped for 2 hours while it was cleared. Saw several ambulances, DPS cars, and tow trucks on their way to the scene. I assume the whole mess was triggered as most incidents like this are--someone acting in an incredibly inconsiderate and/or stupid way. All it takes is one such idiot for a mess that kills/injures multiple people, damages several vehicles (I saw half a dozen being loaded onto tow trucks even 2+ hours after the accident, so there must have been many more). Fortunately, all it cost me was a Friday evening with my family.

    Then there were the jerks who were much more important than all the other drivers tied up in this mess. Once traffic started flowing, it was funneled into one lane by the DPS because there were still several damaged vehicles plus emergency vehicles on both sides of the road, over a distance of a few miles. The single line was moving along just fine... slowly, but surely. Then the jerks decided their time was more important than the lives of the people lining the sides of the highway and squeezed into a 2nd line. For awhile at least... until they were stopped a few miles ahead by a collection of DPS and tow trucks.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I make it a point to keep off the highways during any snow event here. The maintenance is inconsistent and the driving is just insane. Then again, I am in an area where a 5" event is paralyzing.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I prefer to keep off roads in bad weather also, but I had to drive home from meetings in Madison and return my rental car. The roads weren't that bad, as I said, even though snowfall in that area was supposed to total 5-7". All it takes is a little common sense. Which is beyond the grasp of some people, obviously.

    Not far from the pile-up, the snow stopped, skies and roads cleared, and it was smooth sailing for the rest of the trip.

    I heard on the radio coming home that there were over 800 accidents in the Twin Cities area on Friday afternoon. And they only got 1" of snow. It seems those light snowfalls are worse than big ones for accidents. People see lots of snow and realize they need to slow down. But 1", heck, just barrel right along as they always do. So I actually like bigger snowfalls vs. the little ones. The bigger ones are plowed to bare pavement, quickly, and people respect them. The little ones aren't plowed, just chemicals (not effective in real cold weather) and then wait for Mother Nature to take care of it. Leading to lots of slippery roads, bridges, and ramps.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    A 7" snowfall here would have people staying put. Heck, during the snow and ice on Thursday the mayor of Seattle was urging people to go home by 2pm, and really, a lot of businesses shouldn't have been open at all, as IMO the person making the call probably wasn't venturing out, themselves.

    Here, there is the gap between people in SUVs and normal cars in the snow - the SUV people fly along and the cars crawl. On TV coverage of crashes, 4x4 vehicles seemed to be hugely over-represented. I like bigger snow too, easy excuse to stay home. Not worth damage to the car or potentially to me to come in when the six figure crowd doesn't have to bother.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited January 2012
    It seems those light snowfalls are worse than big ones for accidents.

    You may be on to something. We drove into Port Huron Friday night and the snow had just started and there was perhaps a half inch on the roads. People were sliding all over, and there were a bunch of emergency vehicles just ahead of where we turned off. Wasn't close enough to tell, but I'm assuming it was a car wreck.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    >>...light snowfalls are worse ... for accidents.

    I suspect it's more than one factor there. First, often light snowfalls involve a temperature above 25 in this area. That means the roadbed is nearer freezing. The new snow may melt slightly before refreezing after touching. Or it compresses under weight of the tire and then cools upon release of the pressure leaving ice behind. A glare of the ice and most people don't realize that it's much slicker than the small amount of snow. Second, the light snowfall is deceptive to the eye. It just looks innocuous.

    Myself, I'd rather see 5 inches with a 20 deg F., 20 mileperhour wind bringing it in. Then it's crunchy and the tires get a much better grip. It stays snow when packed under wheels instead of turning to glare ice or even slush.

    The problem goes back to the drivers, however. Their driving doesn't adjust for the danger and often their cars are not maintained for the snow, i.e., good tread on proper tires.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    That reminds me of a trip I took back in the late 90s, driving home from school at Christmas (4 or so hour drive usually), it was cold for this area but no snow when I left. About an hour into the drive there was snow, but the roads looked bare and wet, nobody slowed, I breezed through it. Then about an hour from home it was heavy snow and compact snow and ice the whole way, never went above 30 but the old car had no problems - many others did though, endless ditched cars. When I got home with the drive taking a good 90s longer than expected, I watched the news and saw the bare and wet looking roads were actually ice, and there was eventually a 20 car pileup. Nobody crashed when I was there as nobody stupidly hit the brakes or swerved or the rest of activities usually seen in average idiotic drivers.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    People see lots of snow and realize they need to slow down. But 1", heck, just barrel right along as they always do.

    Some years back, going to work in the morning on a US numbered 2-lane route it had started to snow maybe for last 10 minutes. Was getting a little slick. I was following a plain wrapper for about a mile when I see a car coming up fast behind me. A Mustang. Guy was impatient. Started to pass and when he got next to me realized and saw the plain wrapper and tried to get back behind me and spun out into ditch. Cop saw the whole thing in mirror apparently, put on his lights, I gave him room, and the cop went back to assist and give JUSTICE.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,950

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited January 2012
    Apparently, the officer wants to continue to pursue the case against me. Sent me a notice with a new valid notice to appear date on it for March 2012.

    Unfortunately, he got the wrong court location stamped on the notice, as I was originally granted the county seat as the venue of jurisdiction. He placed their usual east county courthouse location on this notice. The notice indicates all changes to my previous ticket are only for the date to appear to change to the new date. There is no indication he also wanted to change my venue.

    I don't see how I can respond to this invalid notice, except to say that the La Mesa PD has committed more egregious errors, and has made it impossible to understand their intentions.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I don't think you can ignore the new notice even if you think it's wrong. Maybe a letter to the court would convince them to toss it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Russian Youtube user with a ton of hilarious inconsiderate driver videos

    In Russia, where corrupt cops and insurance fraud are epidemics, most people use a dashcam.

    Today, only saw inconsiderates while on foot, but did get stuck in a backup caused by a light that let 3 cars through then went red again. Good quality control there, "engineers", I'm glad I get to fund your nice salaries and huge pensions.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    I know your right, unfortunately. Ignoring something, no matter how wrong it is, will only get you into more trouble.

    Responding forcefully in a letter is probably the first right course of action. Better to respond and waste time writing a letter than to find out you are being charged for a 2nd violation for "failure to appear."
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I was inconsiderate today - I got in a race on a public (empty, limited access) road. I won though, so it's fine :shades:

    Yesterday too, I ran a red light. A stuck light...I don't know when or if it ever changed, but the cars in the lane beside me waiting to turn left were still there when the intersection dropped out of my line of sight.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    Got to honk twice yesterday - first at old people in a Prius going 15 in a 35, apparently transfixed by the nanny display. After crawling down a road and holding up a line - with me directly behind, it approached a red light and made a rolling stop at a free right turn (which is when I honked). It's the anti-car. Then I got behind an E60 5er full of idiots at a light, delayed reaction at green then a crawl, then a horn, then normal speed.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What's a "free right turn"? Is that the same thing as "right turn permitted after stop" or something else?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Yes, stop at red and go if it is clear. One of the most logical rule adaptations in the history of driving.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    My understanding of that law is that right turn on red is permitted after stop... not required. Maybe in your state it's different?

    But if it is permitted vs. required... why the horn?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2012
    You certainly have a talent for finding and letting folks like that get in front of you. Horn use, unless an emergency is illegal in CA. I certainly can't speak for WA. But then again, failing to signal before lane change and or turns is also illegal and it is done a majority of the time and by the majority of folks. I take it a lot more folks in other states execute so called "california" stops. It is a variation on the one that you would like to practice, i.e.. stop on red light and go IF/WHEN clear.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    That's not why I honked. The selfish old [non-permissible content removed] crawled at less than half the limit, obstructing several cars, and then made the turn on red without stopping, which is when I honked - after driving too slow, he then runs a light. These are the people who should be forced into testing to keep their licenses - and if they fail, they lose the ability to drive. It's going to be a mess out there in another 20 years with a youth obsessed group who won't admit their declining abilities.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    It being illegal doesn't matter - lots of things are illegal and most of it is silly and unenforced. Going 1 over the (usually arbitrary and underposted) limit is illegal too.

    If only it was a game of me not letting them get in front of me, it would never happen. This drivers in this area have to be the slowest and most oblivious I have ever encountered.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2012
    Your point being?

    Yes, I agree having a month or so ago driven (recently) in the Seattle area. I guess it is part of " the tax" of wanting to live there.

    In my neck of the woods, I routinely go 80-85 mph in the slow lane and am routinely passed, law enforcement included.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    If you can't see my point, then it's your problem, not mine. Please ignore my posts from this point forward. Good day.
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