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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2012
    Your points are easy to see. This is discussion, you are turning it into spoiled kid tantrums. If you don't want to address the question, then don't and move on.

    Anytime, I get a horn lay. I can lay on mine. You gesture, so can I. So what?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    You seem to have a fixation with my posts, that's all. If you don't like the cut of my jib, keep walkin.

    My horn is louder and my arm is longer, also, I am faster and my brakes are better :P
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2012
    The fixation is yours. :P

    ..."My horn is louder and my arm is longer, also, I am faster and my brakes are better. "...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't reply to everything you post that isn't in reply to me :P

    Just drive somewhere near the posted speed, and have some concept of situational awareness, and everything will be fine. It's not too much to ask.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Ah, the old "rolling stop". Yes, definitely illegal. And potentially dangerous, if there were any pedestrians or cars near the turning car. At least he slowed down for the intersection.

    I seem to recall you told us recently about running a red light. Did you get any honks directed your way?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't reply to everything you post that isn't in reply to me :P

    Just drive somewhere near the posted speed, and have some concept of situational awareness, and everything will be fine. It's not too much to ask.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    This guy didn't need to slow down, his normal speed was crawling. I bet he's a 30mph highway merger, too.

    Nobody honked at me - nobody behind me, nobody oncoming, nobody on the cross street, 2 cars stopped in a turn lane waiting for a light that might never change - as I said before, they were still there when the intersection dropped out of my line of sight. This was also at 0600, so the roads were pretty deserted. More negligent "engineering", where the light should really be blinking at that hour. I have to wonder about the value of the fuel and time wasted by such fine work.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    if you are a pedestrian. I saw a great lesson in this today. Guy walks across a busy 4-lane road near (but not at) the crosswalk. He's pulling a small plastic sled with some junk on it. He faces straight ahead all the while, from one curb to the next. Worse, he's wearing a parka with a hood that I am sure blocked his peripheral vision. So he is trusting that all traffic will A) see him, B) try to stop for him, and C) be able to stop for him, as the road is icy.

    I stopped for him, of course. He was lucky today. Unless a pedestrian has a death wish, I think it's a real good idea to make eye contact with the drivers of oncoming vehicles and verify that they do in fact stop before stepping in front of them. They outweigh pedestrians... just a bit. Being right (about right of way) is of no use if you're dead... except maybe to the beneficiaries of your estate.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    If you're a moose: Stand in the middle of a 75 mph freeway (and I mean in the middle - straddling the skip line), in the dark, on a curve. Yesterday morning, I-90 just W of Cataldo, ID.

    Good brakes, good tires, and a choice of sneaking around behind him on the right shoulder before he could retreat means he lives to die another day.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Today's winner: Woman in a white Range Rover. She was in the left lane of a busy arterial, I was in the right lane, which then widened to 4 lanes for a large turn lane to a road that leads to a major highway. Out of the blue she veers right, missing me by maybe a foot, hits her signal in the middle of it, and flies into the turn lane, which lucky for her was empty. I could tell she made a mad dash for the signal too as she accidentally hit the wipers. Lo and behold, when I looked at her as I passed by, phone in her hands. Ah our affluent, need to be coddled more, you can tell that success comes from logic and responsibility.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Out of the blue she veers right, missing me by maybe a foot

    Just incredible all the incidents with stupid drivers out on the upper left coast. Is it something in the air?

    Just do not see so much of these things here in the midwest. Main problem here is drivers talking on cell phones and driving erratic.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2012
    Come to Seattle for a week and cruise around. You'll see some fun stuff. Lots of oblivious people, and lots of newbies makes for a good time. Also good if you like driving slow on freeways. You can cruise along at 50 in a 60 and find plenty of friends.

    I can actually go for days without seeing anything special but general slowness...but then it seems like there's a full moon.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Come to Seattle for a week and cruise around. You'll see some fun stuff. Lots of oblivious people

    My previous post reference to Midwest not having so many crazies should have excluded big metro areas such as Chicago and Chicago the City. Meant rural areas, smaller towns.

    The craziest drivers I had ever seen in Chicago was a period I was using the Dan Ryan Expressway (I94) very late Friday and Saturday nights. Finally gave up on that and started using another safer route, I294 (Toll), which added some miles to the trip.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I will say that eastern WA is a better place to drive than western WA. Less LLCers, infrastructure is smoother, people seem to look before they leap. Less newbies too, which is something that amuses me - people come from places where driving is chaos, rules are few and enforcement is lax - then they come here to enforced order and become chickens with their heads cut off.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    They're good at that, aren't they?! At least moose aren't so prone to darting across the road a single car-length ahead like deer. My BIL in Pennsylvania has had two deer t-bone his car (on the side, not the front) by darting into the road as he was passing, but has never hit one himself. I can just see the deer-speak a few seconds prior.... "Hey y'all, watch this!" :P
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Just don't let the word get out; I enjoy driving in the Columbia Basin, and I would hate to have that ruined by excess population clogging the landscape. :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    edited January 2012
    At least moose aren't so prone to darting across the road a single car-length ahead like deer.

    Some years ago, was driving in western Ohio eastbound on the Turnpike in late summer about 4 PM at about speed limit. My peripheral caught a deer going right to left in front of me. Put on brakes and saw deer in front of my car and heard a click sound. At next gas/coffee stop, looked at front bumper where there was a rubber part meeting plastic part and found hairs. Turns out it was very close to having that deer through my windshield and into me.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think the pass scares away most of the real incompetents.

    I have an itch to take a little road trip over there, might do it in the spring. I was born over there, so I am not a complete alien :shades:
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Only thing you really have to dodge over here are the stud ruts, and the rutting studs (see previous deer/elk/moose posts).
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,929
    so if someone has a deer as a pet and it rams your vehicle causing damage, is the owner of the animal at fault?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    'At fault'? Perhaps not. Financially responsible, perhaps. Not a lot of pet deer though. I'm talking about an area where the deer & the antelope (and elk, and moose, and coyotes, and even a wolf or two) play, vs. the escaped pet conspiracy theory.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited February 2012
    Yes, but normally deep pockets.

    So for example, years ago, I was in a car that hit a HUGE buck on a Federal Reservation. The warden who came by, with a winch/crane in a pick up truck as part of the clean up procedure told us to file a specific federal form for damage reimbursement.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    In a Closed Range district - Yes. Open Range = NO! Either way, the collision with an animal is covered under Comprehensive, not Collision. ;)
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,929
    I have a good one for you to decide. It's a real life scenario so we'll see if you would have done what Mercury did.

    Owner drives his car home Friday evening from work and everything on the car is perfectly fine. He drives all of .8 miles going to the local grocery store and back Saturday. No other driving all weekend long. Monday morning there's a note on the car that says I think your car is leaking gas.

    Sure enough, the smell of gas is strong and when the owner turns on the car, he's sure about 1/2 of a tank of gas leaked out over the weekend.

    After some serious inspecting, and lifting onto a tow truck, it's visible where the gas is leaking, in the center of the middle of the gas tank underneath the car. There is a knife blade sticking straight up into the tank, and it's leaking down the blade and puncture.

    Sure enough, the blade is pulled out, it is sheared in half; only half a blade remains. It is confirmed from an engraving on the metal that it is a buck knife blade end from google's help. There is a long semicircular scratch on the tank prior to the puncture wound.

    Owner calls the police and says he suspects vandalism because he didn't recall running over any knives on the way to the grocery store less than a 1/2 mile away, and that was the only driving during the weekend.

    Should this be ruled a comprehensive vandalism claim, or a freak "collision" where somehow a one in a billion trajectory caused the knife to go straight up into perpendicularly to the vehicle which is only a few inches off the ground to begin with (sporty A3).
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    edited February 2012
    If this is your car, it's probably someone sending you a message to slow down!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,929
    The police did ask me if I had any known "enemies."

    The honest answer is "no."

    No scorned lovers or triangles to untwist, unfortunately :P
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    If it only sits a few inches off the ground, I doubt someone would have readily been able to thrust the blade through the tank. It would be an extremely difficult feat to accomplish. Were it kicked up by a tire as road debris, though, it could have the force to puncture it.

    The chances are pretty slim, but it can happen....

    My dad punctured the gas tank of my Econoline with a stick (yes, a run-of-the-mill road debris stick) back in the early '90s. The hole was the size of my "pinky" finger, and the stick was hanging out of the tank when he discovered the leak.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,929
    The chances are pretty slim, but it can happen....


    Hearing another story of this happening helps me to believe it's possible, It was just strange since I dont' remember running over a blade or knife, or hearing any strange noise.

    Also, there was a long curved scratch, almost as if someone slashed the tank, and then finally broke through.... (you could see the plastic kinda got scrunched and compressed back where the hole was made. I guess it could have been done on a turn while the suspension was up/uncompressed, then the weight of the car came down while turning and compressed on the buck knife shearing it and leaving the blade stuck up in the tank hanging out an inch or two.

    It just seems like someone or something would have to hold the knife stationary as I drove by for it to happen though. Otherwise, why wouldn't the knife have just fell over when it scratched and bumped the surface. It's almost as if the knife were immovable, and a serious force like the car's momentum got it up there.

    That's my biggest problem with the vandalism theory, even if a midget could fit under my car, you wouldn't have any momentum to strike through the tank, unless it was HANZO sword sharp.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    you wouldn't have any momentum to strike through the tank, unless it was HANZO sword sharp.

    Exactly, which is why I'm not sure it could be done. The road surface, however, could act as a simple support for the blade as it initially wedged between the road and the tank, then was forced into the tank by the momentum of the vehicle. That is even more plausible with it being a plastic tank. Those same forces would be plenty to snap the blade off the knife, assuming the two were connected at the start of the event.

    In contrast, the tank on my Econoline is steel, and the stick (which wasn't sharp when I removed it) still penetrated it.

    I suppose that a group of folks could have walked up to the car, lifted it, wedged the knife in there, then let it go (allowing the weight of the car to do the work for them), followed by snapping it off, but that just seems like quite a stretch!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,929
    edited January 2012
    The plastic gas tank was 1/4" thick though, so it is strong. If your steel tank was 1/4" thick, it would take more than a stick to get through. ;)
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    A quarter inch?! :surprise: There's no way a vandal did that.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Yes, Comprehensive and the claim should consider the loss of fuel as well.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2012
    Or maybe that's one and the same?

    Yet another way to waste 5 minutes of your life.

    How Long Does it Take to Parallel Park a Smart? (Straightline)

    Straightline also links to Follow Up Footage of the World's Most Expensive Car Crash (the footage being video of the banged up cars at the body shop).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That white Testarossa was the greatest loss - the rest don't move me much.

    This morning I saw a recently plated Lexus GX make a left turn directly in front of oncoming traffic. I swear licenses are being bought here.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    I swear licenses are being bought here.

    Yes, and the price is going up at renewal time for us. :(
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    We should get 50 year extensions or whatever people in AZ have...with lax testing and some of the stuff they let on the road, it wouldn't make a difference.

    Oh well, at least I have my old car on year of manufacture plates.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    This is pretty cool:

    http://youtu.be/CHwwwJ83oWo

    If she can handle that beast, she's likely a better driver than most on the road here, especially those who are recent converts to motoring.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Makes me miss my old tube bumpers. For 250,000 miles and 14 years not a scratch on them.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Packard's motto: "Ask the man who owns one."

    Ironic it's a lady owning one to this day. Love it. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2012
    I wonder how long she's had it - looks like a nicely aged 60s-70s style restoration. Amusing that those cars which were all the rage to be restored 40 years ago now have a nice old patina.

    My grandma only has a Taurus...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Or better yet, big metal bumpers with bumper guards. Like a hot knife through warm butter on new plasticars :shades:
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Indeed years ago a 5 series BMW almost literally rammed the rear tube bumper getting out of a parking space. The bumper was powder coated. What I ended up doing was using a more baser product than finishing polish. It turned out to be over kill. The BMW sustained close to 2,000 in damages.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    edited February 2012
    >If she can handle that beast,

    I've been past her house. We have friends who live in Canton adjacent to Plymouth. Their mother lives in an apartment close to this lady!

    There was a show on Public TV station this afternoon about Packards--a 1-hour history of the company and of their demise.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited February 2012
    As in, if someone doesn't know how to use/appreciate their car, it should be given to someone who can.

    Case in point: I'm driving in the right lane of an urban interstate today, beautiful sunny Sunday afternoon, light traffic. A shiny new-ish Lexus IS enters the freeway. I calculate that it will be safest/most considerate to lighten up just a bit on the throttle and let them slip onto the freeway ahead of me. Which would have been very easy to do... had they remembered where the accelerator is on the car and depressed it. Instead the IS puttered along at about 40. No lane change signal either. Then the driver turned to look over her left shoulder and I saw that she looked to be about 80. Fortunately there was no one behind me. But there was to my left. So I could floor it and try to blast past her, or slow down even more to allow her to go in front of me. I did the latter--figuring there was a high risk she would decide to swerve into my lane as I was passing her. Finally she did move into my lane and applied some thrust.

    I would be glad to trade cars with her. She'd probably enjoy my Sentra with its sluggish CVT a lot more than the sporty little Lexus.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    A slow merging IS...you didn't happen to be in Bellevue WA today, did you? You got to experience my daily hell.

    They don't seem too sporty unless it's a properly equipped IS350, which seem to be a definite minority.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I just imagine what my fintail's bumpers could do to a new Accent or Yaris etc - those heavy double bumpers could crumple the newbie nicely.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Is she still around? That's a cool old lady if there ever was one.

    Packard was a grand make, IMO occupying the market position MB now holds.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Sporty enough to get out of its own way.

    What's worse though is the idiots who enter the freeway in one of those interchanges where you can either merge onto the freeway or exit at the next exit, using the same lane as is used to enter the freeway... and they don't signal to indicate which way they're going. Most of them end up merging onto the freeway... eventually, in their own good time. But some just head up the exit ramp. :mad:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Even a Sentra can get out of its own way if you try hard enough :shades: ...I had a rental Versa a couple years ago that I was able to move along, but it wasn't happy.

    There aren't a ton of those interchanges in my area...I tend to keep away from them - the average Seattle area driver can't handle so much sensory input and decision making demands at once.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    There's a lot of those in my area... including a couple of freeways I drive on nearly every day when I'm in town. Old cloverleaf design.

    In a race with an IS of any displacement, the Sentra will lose... assuming the IS driver knows where the accelerator is.
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