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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Here is a very nice Prius driver...... ;)

    Click Here

    (May have some crude language!)

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Ah the smug Pious driver.

    I saw a Leaf the other day with a plate that read "No Gas" or something similar. I wonder how many of those I cancel out every time I start the fintail :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Wow; that's pretty unbelievable. Those folks showed amazing patience with someone who should have had a bloody nose about fifteen seconds into that video.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Just watched a Mazda MPV try to park in the short driveway to my building. It backed up and struck the short brick wall which retains a grassy area on one side - knocked some bricks off. Then he backs up more and hits the garage door. I expected a "new" driver, but it was the second best - a very "experienced" driver. Then picked someone up and didn't replace the bricks, of course. Who says only kids are lazy selfish bastards? :shades:
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Reminds me of two recent parking lot incidents. Luckliy the person only hurt their own car.

    1: Middle aged woman in a Red New Beatle. Flys into a parking spot, hits the parking curb and tears the front valance all to hell. She didn't even look to see the damage.

    2: Fiance and I stop at the grocery store, I wait in car. Woman in an Accord starts to pull into parking spot. She notices a shopping cart in the lane, pauses a minute then decides the best course of action is to just move the cart out of the way with her car. Poor car.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2012
    In doing a new tires break in (500+ miles) , I am electing to do it on local freeways more accustomed to much higher speeds than the 45-55 mph and HOT surges to 65 mph. :shades: So I am using the 4/4 lane (aka extreme right or slow lane). There is ZERO drama, other than (literally 1000's of) cars passing. (makes even the SLOW guys feel like they are going FAST)

    Two pieces of subtle humor were by two cops. One was recocking his patrol car for another customer service call. He took a pretty close look at me (you know that RCA dog look?) , as I think he could not figure out why I was going "SO" slow. Another was radar gunning and looked up and smiled at me as I passed.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I love it when people hit parking barriers with their bumper, and it makes that horrible noise. When I am near a car doing that, I'll jump back and act like something horrible happened, to scare the driver. Pushing carts with cars can be dangerous - I saw it done once where the cart sailed off and hit another car. If only shoppers weren't so lazy. Should be a ban from the store when you leave the cart out.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    We had a supermarket that had the carts chained together and it took a quarter to get them unchained. When you put the cart back, you got your quarter. Well I guess a quarter wasn't enough incentive to put the cart back so many people still left the carts all over.

    Think of the money all the big chains would save by having people return there own carts and not having to pay someone to put them all back. Some stores even have a machine to push them all.

    IMHO, make the person swipe their credit card and if you don't return it a $5.00 service fee will appear on your statement. Whatever the system cost is the stores would make their money back in no-time.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Another was radar gunning and looked up and smiled at me as I passed.

    Positive reinforcement for law-abiding citizens! That's the ticket... actually, it's not the ticket, is it? :shades:
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2012
    I was going to wave, but then I might REALLY get on HIS radar.

    I am also hesitant to say, as I neither recommend or do this, but at those speeds, you can literally be doing a host of other distracting things.

    The funny thing that I could actually be going less than surface street speeds (below 45 mph I believe) . CA state dmv law just says I should use flashers.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    He might not have been smiling, but laughing at someone :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I notice Costco has always had signs telling people to return their carts to "keep prices low". It seems to work in that zoo of a parking lot. If I see someone just leaving the cart, I'll often throw a not nice phrase in their direction, too. I bet those who abandon carts are the same who don't use signals, talk and text, eat while driving, etc.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Pretty easy to tell a smile from a laugh. OP said "smiling". I'll take him at his word.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Yes, because fleeing the scene is always better. :confuse:

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited March 2012
    Saw two local simps make bad right turns today - not just from a straight only, but both from left turn only lanes. No kidding. One was a frilly F-series 4x4 and the other was a ridiculous blacked out Denali no doubt driven by a city dwelling tough guy...probably the type who gets all whiny and political when he has to dump $150 into the ugly pointless overcompensating beast to fill it up :shades:

    Also saw someone with demographics I won't stereotype as not to offend the overly sensitive, in a Lexus LX, going about 28 in a 40. There was a very light rain at the time - her wipers were going full blast, and she had a death grip on the wheel. Stream of traffic going around her on the left, until she randomly got in the right lane, then everyone had to reverse it. How much does a license cost? I doubt any cops would be smiling for her lack of speeding.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Saw two local simps make bad right turns today - not just from a straight only, but both from left turn only lanes..... I won't stereotype as not to offend the overly sensitive, in a Lexus LX, going about 28 in a 40.

    So what is it? Something in the water, in the air? That sleepless city area seems to have more dimwit drivers than anywhere in the US. Here is the solution. Relocate to the midwest, but not Chicago. Drivers here are quite a bit better. But, we still have our abundance of dope cell phone drivers.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Slow timid passive aggressive oblivious people are common here - which grates on those of us who are hyper attentive when we drive. I could solve budget issues if I was a traffic cop simply by enforcing signal and phone laws in my zip code - but I'd probably be fired for ticketing too many of those with questionably obtained wealth.

    Driving a mere 100 miles east is a different world. Portland isn't really any better though, and Vancouver is a similar but different driving mess (but generally faster than Seattle - I've driven in a few countries and in many parts of the US, and this is easily the slowest locale).
  • loncrayloncray Member Posts: 301
    Um... Fin, you drive a big old fintail car, right? So exactly how is that not overcompensating (and expensive on fuel) just like a big SUV? Just curious! :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Only on sunny Sundays, it isn't actually big ("intermediate" size), other drivers can see around it, no tinted windows to block vision, no douchey blackout trim to try to look tough or intimidating, gets about 100% better mileage than a piggy soft roader, and doesn't make right turns from the left lane ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Today's winner, older man in a dark red (my most beloved color) Lexus SC, yapping on the phone at a light. Light changes, he doesn't move, I gently toot the horn, he give me a "my bad" wave, and moves along - getting up to 20 in a 30. I go around him and he is thoroughly engrossed in his conversation. From what I have seen, his demographic now likes to sport a 2006 vintage bluetooth headset at all times - he missed the memo.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Oh geeze what a wacko. I would have just pulled the truck infront of her little Prius and sat there at high idle.

    Either that or just sat there revving it yelling "What? I can't hear you."

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,327
    A blue hair in a Park Avenue(who would have thought?) pulled out from a side street directly in front of my 128i service loaner. I guess the Crimson Red paint and DRLs made the 1er blend into the background. In any case, the brakes pulled me up @10' short from her decrepit sedan. Of course the old hag gives me a dirty look as if it was my fault. She's just bloody lucky that I wasn't driving my Wrangler- I probably would have t-boned the incompetent fool.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    If you ever had a difficult conversation with an older loved one about his or her poor driving, a reporter wants to interview you. Please email pr@edmunds.com by April 5, 2012 with your daytime contact information and a few words about your experience.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    When did you move to the Seattle area? :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited April 2012
    Full moon coming soon...

    First, a fancypants Denali pickup pulled out in front of me and dawdled. Of course it was going the same direction as me, onto a highway on-ramp. He was going about 44mph when he hit the highway, and got in the middle lane so everyone could dodge him. I was lucky enough to only need the right lane as I was exiting soon, and zoomed past at 55 in a 60.

    Then got behind a Peggy Hill-lookalike woman in a white RX going about 33 in a 40, left lane, deathgrip at 10 and 2, sunglasses on a cloudy day.

    Exited that road, got behind a base model Tundra with commercial plates and Yakima based frames, going about 30 in a 35. Road gains a lane, I pass, suddenly we are both going 50, then when I am past he drops way back and by the time I coast down to 40, he is light years back. Phone to his ear, of course.

    Finished it off being stuck at a light that let 4 cars through on its green cycle (gotta keep gas taxes rolling in somehow? :sick: ), then when it was my turn, oldster in a Jetta wagon was dawdling, slowly eased out like he was accelerating at idle speed, I was next, then another 2 cars (probably on yellow-red), everyone else was stuck.

    Oh, was jogging after work, saw a rental Challenger come pretty close to hitting a woman in a green signal crosswalk.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited April 2012
    Nothing special today, but a few winners...

    First off, middle aged woman in a Legacy 3.0R (isn't this a fast one?) going 34 in a 40, weaving all over the lane, as she was playing with a phone. She also thought a good following distance was one car length for every mph, and to let that increase over time.

    Saw an A8 make a right turn from the left lane, and saw a dope in a Bentley Continental yapping on a corded (charger, no doubt) phone while driving - aren't the affluent supposed to be smarter and more responsible and more logical and more capable than the populace in general? Or is wealth not so much about sense? I think that might be it.

    And had a guy in an Lexus LX (do all of these overpriced overcompensators sell here?) crowd a fairly crowded crosswalk - I pointed directly at him and he looked at me surprised, which made the kid who was beside me laugh.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Moron in an old Pathfinder turns right in front of me, if I didn't move over a lane I would have had to come to a screeching halt to avoid him. How can't people see a two ton Buick heading toward them?

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    edited April 2012
    Yesterday was behind an inconsiderate left turner. Thankfully, don't encounter these too much. Was behind this guy in left turn lane waiting for heavy opposing traffic to clear. This guy does not go into intersection, but waits behind painted white line. Then, when opposing traffic finally stops, light going to yellow, he then makes his left. So, one car gets through to make left turn where if he were considerate, maybe 2 or 3 more cars could have got through.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    “At the end of the day, the truth of the matter is, in the U.S. we’re pretty bad drivers.”

    Proactive Safety Measures (smartmoney.com)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Oblivious is inconsiderate!

    And, while that quote is not wrong, all of these "proactive safety measures" are sending drivers in the wrong direction. They won't become better drivers, they'll simply become more dependent on their nannies (which means that they are then worse drivers and a downright danger to others if/when they drive a vehicle without such technology).
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Some of those safety measures help protect the rest of us from the idiots though. If someone pulls out in front of you and it's slippery out, the ABS kicking in may let you slow while still steering around them.

    40% chance of snow there Sunday eh? :D
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    ABS isn't a good example, Steve, though I do agree with your point on ABS. ABS is actually an improved version of technology necessary for driving: Braking! It is somewhat akin to fuel injection over carbureted (or even DI over FI) - the car needs fuel, all do the job, but the newer tech does it better. The "safety measures" cited in the article are not improved technology but instead are what I call "driver replacement technology:" They don't improve the driving experience, they replace it.

    For example, a poor driver isn't going to do any better avoiding that obstacle with ABS than without. For a good driver, the ABS might make the difference between a successful avoidance maneuver and a fender bender (or some other loss of control).

    Subaru's technology specifically attempts to compensate for the vehicle's driver not paying attention to the task of driving. So, the driver might feel more comfortable writing that text message because they know if the car gets too close to another in front, it will slow down on its own!

    -----

    I hadn't checked the forecast; you just had to do that, didn't you?! Early spring... we get all sorts of crazy weather! I had the plow truck out yesterday to clear slush out of the neighbors' drives. :P
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Full moon, saw a crash today - 88-91 CRX rear ended an Escalade, pushing the rear of the barge onto the hood of the gnat. Almost no visible damage to the tank, CRX is a definite write-off.

    Not too many bad drivers out there, most notable being an IS with a short young driver I won't speculate about as not to offend the oversensitive, going about 8 under in the left lane of a 4 lane 40mph road, being passed by every car. The reason? Smartphone being held in the steering wheel hub...

    Saw a rental Camry back out of a one way hotel driveway onto a crowded street, didn't look - just backed out. I was pleased to hear the NYC-ish wail of horns.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Did you happen to profile the drivers of the Escalade, CRX, and Camry? All those who are not oversensitive are dying to know if they are the types of people you like to single out.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited April 2012
    Looked like another well kept life of leisure housewife in the Slade, didn't see the CRX driver, Camry was a couple of dumb tourists no doubt...happy? ;)

    Profiling isn't evil when it's right...smoke and fire and all of that.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Profiling isn't evil when it's right...

    That's the rub, isn't it.

    Here's some profiling for you: one of those "new residents" (absolutely, positively, 100% accurate, no doubt) driving an old Civic is coming up fast in the right lane as I am entering the freeway. Based on her speed, I figure it's best to ease up a bit, as there's no one behind me, and slip in behind her. Otherwise, being a "new resident" and all, she'll probably ram me or do some other stupid thing. But wait! She flicks her high beams at me and slows down just enough to let me easily merge in front of her.

    Yep, love that profiling.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Ah, you do know that in CA, she would have the right of way. Also the majority of people that I see merging do NOT signal or even act like cars already on the road DO have the right of way.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    In Minnesota she has the right of way also. But I thought it was considerate of her to use the universal "ok to go in front of me now" flash of the high beams and slow down just a bit to let me merge smoothly into the lane. She didn't have to do it. And if she didn't, no problem, I'd slip in behind her. A good example of "Minnesota nice", which is a dying art in recent years on the highways.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Perhaps I am still lost in illusion, but if a persons signals, I normally will do everything to help that person. If they do not, hey guess what, I can't read that persons' mind.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    I'm the same way.

    Yesterday took a half day from work (fiancé having wisdom teeth out :cry: ) and I swear every crazy driver was out in force. No blinkers, cell yappers, and my personal favorite .... Small SUV in left lane of highway loping along at 45 ish.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited April 2012
    Yep, that's it.

    Sounds like Civic driver was being kind of dumb, as the merging car must give way - and I am sure with the neck-snapping way the Sentra gains speed, you had no problem with that ;) . Reminds me of the local yokels who will stop on a busy street and hold up traffic to let someone out of a private driveway rather than have them wait 30 seconds for a break in traffic. WA state "nice", but not exactly logical.

    I guess it doesn't matter, money is money no matter how irresponsible or soaked in blood
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited April 2012
    YUP! Just tell me where they are holding the auction ! ;) :shades: Beats looking at crapped out Civics. :blush:
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited April 2012
    Sounds like Civic driver was being kind of dumb, as the merging car must give way...

    Yep, must be dumb. Couldn't possibly just be someone being considerate.

    Yes, the merging car must give way--and in this case (as I explained) I was fully prepared to--unless the car with right of way signals otherwise. As happened in this case.

    It's a case of a driver acting with extra courtesy in doing something they were under no obligation to do. I find that incredibly refreshing, compared to the "Get out of my way!" mentality that seems to rule these days.

    And I guess I am one of those "local yokels" because I have been known to give people entering a busy road from a driveway or side street a chance to enter, rather than waiting a long time. It's a very small thing for me and those behind me, a matter of 2-3 seconds maybe (since the street is already stop-and-go, mostly stop).

    I have this crazy idea that if everyone on the roadways acted in a more courteous manner, driving would be more of a pleasure for all. I suppose that makes me "dumb" and a "local yokel" also. So be it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Considerate is doing something in the face of the normal rules of the road? I hope there was nobody behind her, anyway.

    Yes, nothing really wrong with letting someone out if it is gridlock anyway, but I never said that was the case here. Around here, people will literally stop in moving traffic to let others out, especially on hills for some reason.

    Here's a solution - people can take some responsibility, and gain situational awareness. Pay attention. Observe lane discipline and right of way. Watch where they are going. That's the zenith of courtesy, treating driving as a serious task - as it is in other areas where driving can actually be a pleasure.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,327
    Perhaps I am still lost in illusion, but if a persons signals, I normally will do everything to help that person. If they do not, hey guess what, I can't read that persons' mind.

    My sentiments exactly!!!

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    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    edited April 2012
    Today, I saw the clearest indication of how stupid most drivers are in my area.

    I was in a right-turn lane to enter a shopping center. That intersection had a four-way stoplight to direct traffic. I was behind 8 other cars, all trying to enter the shopping center. The traffic light turned green as I pulled up to the back of the light.

    After the first car made it's right turn... EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE REST stopped at the intersection's green light, paused for nothing, and then scooted into the shopping center.

    Now, I know you're thinking that, maybe, there was an obstruction in the shopping center's entrance road... but I had a clear view of that from the street. There wasn't.

    Needless to say, once I got to the intersection and the green light, I didn't stop before turning right... and there was no problem. And the car behind me followed my example.

    What I see is that most of our drivers are just lemmings. If the car in front of them drives off a cliff, they'll simply do the exact same thing.

    Did I mention that I really hate human lemmings? I do, I really, really do.

    :mad:
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I hope there was nobody behind her, anyway.

    There was not. Light traffic. Which made it all the more courteous of an act.

    Observe lane discipline and right of way. Watch where they are going. That's the zenith of courtesy, treating driving as a serious task...

    Those are all important for safe driving. But the zenith of courtesy? I don't think so. A driver can do all those things and still not be courteous. For example, suppose someone needs to change lanes to make an exit. Rush hour, busy freeway. Suppose everyone is focused on maintaining lane discipline, on right of way, and watching where they are going. They don't have to let the fellow trying to change lanes do that. After all, they have the right of way. But it would be a courteous act to allow the guy to change lanes, even if it means lifting off the accelerator for a second to give him the extra space he needs. It will help someone out and maybe prevent an accident. Courteous driving is also safe driving.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited April 2012
    Maybe she should have just changed lanes, even easier.

    Yes, the zenith of courtesy. Just as it is courteous to be aware of where you are and to plan your route, so you don't have to rely on the kindness of strangers for a lane change. Exits don't sneak up on people. Most smartphones have some kind of navi function nowadays, even my daily driver has integrated nav, and there is always stuff like google maps and mapquest etc to get things in order as well - so there's not a lot of reason to be caught off guard and make a sudden move, other than driver error. Paying attention is the most courteous and safest thing one can do.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    So let's just suppose not everyone is perfect (like you) and maybe is driving on an unfamiliar road and they believe it's unsafe to be looking at their smartphone or a mapquest printout while driving, and the car doesn't have nav (could be a rental car). Traffic is heavy, they signal far in advance of their lane change but everyone is focused on protecting their right of way so there's no safe gap to change lanes. In fact, what would be typical (non-courteous) behavior is that the drivers in the other lane would be actively protecting their right of way by ensuring there is no safe gap for the lane-changer to squeeze into ("How dare you get in front of me, you might delay me by a second or two!!"). Maybe they are thinking like you: "What an idiot, they should have changed lanes a long time ago! Too late now, sucker!"

    Courtesy does not come from doing things we are expected to do, even required to do under the law. It comes from doing something above and beyond what is expected, to help someone out... even if they aren't perfect.
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