Been seeing all kinds of 4 car commuter trains. :confuse: Did have a heck of a time getting to a shop on University because of a transit project (assume it's going to be a bus lane but don't know).
There's another, more effective way to avoid a lot of time on the roads: choose a profession, and/or workplace, and/or place to live that doesn't require a lot of time on the roads. Then you don't need to break the law to rush home to your loved ones faster... or give your employer more work and get that big bonus... or whatever "stuff" you want to cook up.
It's called the Hiawatha Line. It's ONE train line. Trust me on this.
The 2nd train line, for which you saw the construction, won't be completed until 2014. Come back and see the Twin Cities again then, you can ride on TWO trains!
May have to try that if we come back and find lodging near a terminal. Service along the line looked frequent. Although parking for the Farmer's Market this morning was lots easier than we had expected. Damp this afternoon but seems to be a lot of hardy bike riders out.
No one has yelled at us for creeping along or doing U Turns. I think the MI tags coupled with the Garmin hanging on the windshield tells them we're trying to find an attraction. Or they are just easy going drivers here.
The only means to an end here is your attempts to justify your speeding with anything other than the truth: you just like driving fast.
No, that's not true.
I enjoy driving fast on a curvy scenic back country canyon road... but not your typical interstate freeway or local residential road.
I enjoy being productive and efficient. I walk fast, I drive fast. I dont' like to waste time. To me, driving slow is wasting time (because I'm not trying to think about my debate speech while driving; as that would be almost as bad as texting or talking on my cell phone) :P
If someone invented Star Trek technology to "beam me up" to work and back home, I'd take it over driving my car (assuming it wasn't cost prohibitive).
I just sometimes want to get from A to B as fast as safely possible.
Yes, sometimes I want to enjoy the scenery longer and drive a bit slower, but usually I can enjoy the scenery just fine while driving with some enthusiasm and spirit.
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In the municipal employee's salary issue, published in the local rag, it is a question of almost all of them making 6 figures !! Defacto: it is a rare one that does not
In California, maybe...
Outside of California and DC, there's only so many civil servants making 6 figures.
Drivers in MN tend to be more laid back than in other states... but with many exceptions. A lot more inconsiderate drivers and road rage than back in the '80s, when Minnesota Nice was still the rule. Not so much anymore. But you can actually pause for 1/2 second at a green light and not get honked at, for example.
Good thing you don't have WI tags, along with a Packers sticker on your bumper--might get rammed then!
I don't know a lot of people who like wasting time. I certainly don't. But if everyone did whatever they pleased in their efforts to be "efficient", it would be a messy world. For example, taking U-turns whenever you want. Oh wait... never mind!
I enjoy driving fast on a curvy scenic back country canyon road... but not your typical interstate freeway or local residential road.
You've contradicted that statement many times with other posts, including the infamous recent La Mesa incident. Weren't you enjoying yourself driving on that road on that day? If you don't enjoy driving fast on residential roads--why do it? :confuse:
choose a profession, and/or work place, and/or place to live that doesn't require a lot of time on the roads.
CHOOSE a profession? That's laughable given unemployment figures lately. Most people can't be choosy about their work assignments. And when you do get work, there are some jobs that change locations from time to time (construction for instance), and you can't efficiently move for every project (or you might have multiple projects).
Also, with the gov't busy bailing out banks that drove home values up and down, you can be stuck where your living for good.
If you happen to be lucky enough to find a job, and it happens to be near the coast, good luck finding housing near there that's affordable! No, you'll be forced financially to live more inland.
No, the real answer here is to get people to drive correctly, safely, and efficiently, and to get traffic enforcement to be done in a competent way, and to set speed limit laws in a manner that doesn't make a majority of the population "criminals" as you so eloquently put it.
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I stay off freeways quite often. I have been known to drive considerable distances sans interstate. I used to drive between Nashville and Chicago often and many times I used two lane black tops going through the country. It's a great way to see this country, on the Interstate you just zip right by and almost everything is bypassed.
Next week we are going to the Dells for a family reunion/vacation and we will be taking back country roads all the way up there and all the way back. Sure it will take me about an hour and a half longer to get there, but the ride is worth it.
I almost always avoid the freeways if:
1.) Time is not an issue,
and
2.) No severe weather is expected (rather be trapped in a snowstorm on the Interstate than a back country road).
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Weren't you enjoying yourself driving on that road on that day? If you don't enjoy driving fast on residential roads--why do it?
To get from A to B safely and quickly. Why drive slower than is necessary to be safe and efficient?
I wasn't enjoying myself that day. I was merely going about my business driving the way I normally do having due regard for all traffic and weather conditions around me. It was just a typical day on another typical everyday drive.
And I wasn't driving "fast," as you put it. It depends on your definition of fast, but I don't consider 50 or 52 MPH to be fast for a straight empty road.
Also, it wasn't a residential road, we've already established that numerous times. It was 4 levels above a local/residential road, as established by the Cal Trans California Roadway Systems Maps. It was labeled a major arterial roadway. Again, thats 4 levels away from being considered a true local/residential roadway.
So I wasn't driving fast by all accounts; just driving safely; I wasn't rushed or in a particular hurry. If I wanted to drive fast for pure enjoyment or being rushed I'd of gone up the hill at 70 MPH.
I just don't get your logic, it's all Melarky.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Lucky for you that you live in an area that isn't divided by rivers (for example), where the only way to get across them is by freeway (unless you want to build a ferryboat as was suggested, but not very practical). OTOH, I am fortunate to live in an urban areas where, most times of day, freeways are the fastest way to go a significant distance. When they aren't... I take side streets.
It's called the Hiawatha Line. It's ONE train line. Trust me on this.
The 2nd train line, for which you saw the construction, won't be completed until 2014. Come back and see the Twin Cities again then, you can ride on TWO trains!
I can vouch for this... you can't get around the Twin Cities by train like you can in SF/Chicago or any of the cities in the Bos-Wash corridor. One train (Hiawatha) from Downtown Minneapolis to the airport. The other under construction from Downtown Minneapolis to Downtown St Paul.
Still a car-dependent metro, for the most part... but the cities themselves are getting a little better.
If I wanted to drive fast for pure enjoyment or being rushed I'd of gone up the hill at 70 MPH.
Good thing you weren't feeling rushed that day! That would have cost you a pretty penny. But if you had gone 70 mph, you might have gotten to work (or home or wherever) a minute or two faster, and think what you could have done with all that extra time!
You wrote: "Then you don't need to break the law to rush home to your loved ones faster... "
Then you wrote:
I don't recall calling a majority of the population "criminals".
By saying I'm breaking the law by speeding (which is what you implied), you are calling me a criminal, a law breaker if you will. Since the rampant underposted speed limits in CA make the majority of drivers "law breakers" you are calling the majority of the driving population criminals.
If A then B, you get to C. :sick:
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Oh yes it does.. You have to get up 3.5 minutes earlier in order to get to work on time to allow for a longer slow commute.
Never in my life have I had the situation where if I had to leave for work 3.5 minutes later I would have to get up 3.5 minutes earlier. I would believe that most people
Also, if you work hourly and your emloyer allows overtime, you could get paid a time and a half for those extra 7 minutes everyday.
Poor example for if you work overtime you would just be leaving work later and it would still only be getting home 3.5 minutes later.
I'd rather have employees that are focused on productivity and efficiency, and giving me an extra 7 minutes of effort a day is a good worker to me.
Really? An employee that is a clock watcher and unproductive would be so regardless if their commute is 30 minutes or 33.5 minutes. I am a productive employee and not a clock watcher and I have always been. I am now with a 25 minute commute and I have been when I had an hour and a half commute.
Geez all this about 3.5 minutes that would be wasted either way.
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Yes, if you want to follow that reasoning then you and I and 99.99% of drivers in the USA are "criminals", since I bet nearly everyone has driven above a legal speed limit at some time or another.
Whoever referred to that video earlier, thank you!; it is a great video that every driver in the USA needs to watch and obey.
Even in rush hour traffic the left lane should move faster than the right lane, so you should either be passing the cars on the right (actively), and at least keeping up with the car in front of you, or keeping right.
Or what happens if the left lane is also the right lane?
I dont' understand the question. If you mean a single lane in each direction, when 5 cars get stalled by your slow driving, it's time to pull over, use a turn out, and yield the right of way.
Or if I just happen to be in the left lane passing when a speed demon can't wait 20 seconds for me to complete the pass?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway. You should be able to complete your pass quickly enough so as to not impede other traffic; if you are uncomfortable doing so, keep right until you have room and time to do so.
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Lucky for you that you live in an area that isn't divided by rivers (for example), where the only way to get across them is by freeway
Plenty of rivers here and there are plenty of non-freeway roads that cross them. Cross the Mississippi several times a year and mostly on non-freeway bridges. Actually one of them goes through a town that is actually in the river (on an island to be exact). IIRC there are 5 bridges crossing the Mississippi from IL to IA north of I-80.
Now IIRC going between Chicago and Nashville there were 7 or 8 bridges crossing the Ohio river between Louisville and the Mississippi river that were not freeways. And one ferry (loved to take the route that had the ferry).
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Whoever referred to that video earlier, thank you!; it is a great video that every driver in the USA needs to watch and obey.
Agreed.
Or if I just happen to be in the left lane passing when a speed demon can't wait 20 seconds for me to complete the pass?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway. You should be able to complete your pass quickly enough so as to not impede other traffic; if you are uncomfortable doing so, keep right until you have room and time to do so.
There's a fine line there. First of all, 20 seconds is not an unreasonable amount of time to spend in the passing lane while completing a pass. Obviously, you don't want to cut someone off when you move over, but in that 20 seconds, if you're doing 75mph, the [non-permissible content removed] doing 90 will close up over 400 feet on you. That's on him, not you.
And just how many of those 39,999 other violations have you been written up for?
Lets see:
Tailgating, failure to stop for redlight/stop sign, passing on the right shoulder, bald tires, failure to obey traffic sign (u-turn thing).
That's all I can remember for now. I think I got them all. :sick:
The tailgating should have been a ticket to the car in front of me for "unsafe lane change." The failure to yield completely for a redlight or stop sign were all malarkey, as they were all for either right turns and/or CA-like 1 MPH stops. The passing on the right shoulder was non-sense too, and got me found "not guilty." Bald tires was found "not guilty." The u-turn failure to obey signage we've already discussed previously.
Maybe some of you and others are onto something, and cops are just way too incompetent to write anything but mindless speeding tickets at a semi-competent level to get convictions and revenue generation.
I still maintain that so few people fight their tickets, that it doesn't matter what laws they enforce, they will get convictions regardless (like LLC enforcement would be nice). Also, traffic court is so unfair that they will get convictions just by showing up.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
It's in the arithmetic. If I get up at 6:00 a.m. and it takes me 1 hour to get ready and out the door, and 33 minutes to get to work, then I'm arriving at work at 7:33 everyday.
If I get up at the same time, and get ready at the same speed, and drive to work faster so that I get there in 29.5 minutes, then I'm arriving to work 1/2 a minute early rather than 3 minutes late everyday.
Simple.... math.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
OK. Sorry. Guess it is now accepted practice, and apparently not inconsiderate, reckless and stupid to be driving about 50 MPH (my estimate) with one hand holding a cell phone, the other presumably on the steering wheel and the driver's attention diverted from her main responsibility of operating a motor vehicle. All this not on a straight as an arrow interstate in the right lane. No. On a rural 2-lane road, all double yellow with curves and dips and crests along with some driveways to some homes and farms.
We drastically need government intervention to require technology to not allow ANY cell calls in a moving vehicle except for 911 type calls.
There's a fine line there. First of all, 20 seconds is not an unreasonable amount of time to spend in the passing lane while completing a pass. Obviously, you don't want to cut someone off when you move over, but in that 20 seconds, if you're doing 75mph, the [non-permissible content removed] doing 90 will close up over 400 feet on you. That's on him, not you.
There is some give and take, but what if visibility is great and you could see him from 1,000 feet away? Then you should know he's closing in fast, and you either complete your pass faster, or don't do it, so as not to impede him. In the closing of 400 feet, he should be able to coast down to about 80 (hopefully not have to BRAKE), and you should be able to get your 75 up to 80 to match; a bit of flexibility here.
20 seconds seems like a long time to me though; it might be reasonable when passing a double trailered semi-truck, but I think most would be ticked if it took you that long to safely pass a Fiat 500. :P
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We drastically need government intervention to require technology to not allow ANY cell calls in a moving vehicle except for 911 type calls.
I like the idea, and the intention, but as a passenger, I wouldn't want my cell phone to be non-functional just because I'm in a car (or train or plane, or boat) for that matter.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
You need to experience rush hour in a major metro area.
I dont' understand the question. If you mean a single lane in each direction, when 5 cars get stalled by your slow driving, it's time to pull over, use a turn out, and yield the right of way.
Yes I mean when it is one lane in each direction. Now tell me why in the world should I inconvenience myself if I am doing nothing wrong because I have a bunch of idiots that don't want to play by the rules? Especially since they will only be stuck behind the traffic that 50 feet in front of me?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway.
Oh I see, I should not drive in a way that may cause someone to alter their speed but it is OK for that other person to drive in such a way that I have to alter my speed. Now I see how the game is played they are far more important that me.
Yes it doesn't take long to pass a single car, but it doesn't take long for some yahoo to come barreling down on my rear doing 30 MPH over the limit. But it takes longer to pass a truck and still longer to pass more than one truck.
People should slow down and wait fr the pass to be completed.
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That 3.5 minutes is not taken off of your work hours, you still will arrive and leave at the same time. You just leave home 3.5 minutes earlier and get home 3.5 minutes later.
Good point. People that go well over the limit, not just 5 over, think they and their time is so, so important. For them it's me, me, me. A combination of selfishness and failure to allow sufficient time for their tasks of the day, driving, whatever.
Tailgating, failure to stop for redlight/stop sign, passing on the right shoulder, bald tires, failure to obey traffic sign (u-turn thing).
So you have been pulled over for all of those? If so it seems that you do exhibit some rather reckless driving habits. And it's not that the police are just picking on things to pull someone over, most of that is simply reckless.
I wouldn't call failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign or red light malarkey, the law says you must. Passing on the shoulder is also not nonsense, it is simply illegal in almost every case.
Somehow I find it hard to believe that you had those dismissed.
But when you come out this way please let me know when and where you will be on the road. I don't want to be around you when you are driving.
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He squeezed his huge pickup into a fairly small space, when there was lots of room elsewhere in the parking lot to park his rig with no one around him.
Funny, every once in a while a notice a big pickup parked right next to and close to an expensive foreign brand car in various parking lots and the car is parked well out in the boonies of the lot. Is there some pleasure guys with big American pickups get by doing this?
I just want to know what she was doing wrong? Was she weaving, did she force you off the road? what?
If nothing and she took the curve normally and if you didn't see the phone up to her head you wouldn't have thought anything was wrong then I really don't see a problem.
Believe it or not some people can walk and chew gum at the same time.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
But the satisfaction and immense feeling of a job well done in making the city/police spend all kinds of time and money on your case (responding to discovery requests, writing trials by declaration, and so forth like postage)
Oh I see, I should not drive in a way that may cause someone to alter their speed but it is OK for that other person to drive in such a way that I have to alter my speed. Now I see how the game is played they are far more important that me.
Yes, you got it! That's exactly it! Those who want to drive fast have priority over everyone else!
Especially since they will only be stuck behind the traffic that 50 feet in front of me?
Irrelevant, someone driving too slow 50' ahead doesn't make your driving too slow 50' behind any better. Two wrongs don't make a right
Oh I see, I should not drive in a way that may cause someone to alter their speed but it is OK for that other person to drive in such a way that I have to alter my speed. Now I see how the game is played they are far more important that me.
That's malarkey too. You don't have to alter your speed, at least not suddenly. You can drive the way you've always been driving, in the right lane. The only reason you should get into the left lane is if someone is impeding your route in the right lane even slower than you are going. When you get into the left lane, you should be able to do so in a manner that doesn't bottleneck traffic. Impeding traffic in the left lane may cause a far greater disruption and "altering" of speed than you'd have to do by simply staying in the right lane in most of these cases. Why can't you just wait for an opening large enough to complete your super slow pass, or pass more swiftly in the alternative?
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And it's not that the police are just picking on things to pull someone over, most of that is simply reckless.
Guess you missed the part where they were all false accusations. :sick: Rememember, being pulled over and cited doesn't prove anything. No reckless driving involved here.
You seem to correlate reckless driving with being pulled over, I certainly don't. Being pulled over is not being convicted, and even convictions are not correlated to reckless driving (see accidents vs. citations received stats provided previously).
Somehow I find it hard to believe that you had those dismissed.
I didn't have them dismissed, they were found to be false allegations, and I was found "NOT guilty," far different, than a dismissal for LOP.
No passing on the right shoulder occurred, no tailgating occurred, no unsafe turns occurred on my part, in fact, no unsafe driving actions at all ever happened in any of my "pull overs."
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If nothing and she took the curve normally and if you didn't see the phone up to her head you wouldn't have thought anything was wrong then I really don't see a problem.
Is a problem. Only one hand on the steering wheel and that is reckless and irresponsible. I have seen people, just like all of us have, of people weaving about a lane and they have cell phone to head. Primary responsibility is operating a motor vehicle.
If nothing and she took the curve normally
Could not be sure of that unless I was in an airplane overhead and monitored her movement before, during and after the curve.
Walking and chewing gum is ok. Walking on sidewalks in city or in shopping mall and talking on cell phone is inconsiderate and dumb.
Irrelevant, someone driving too slow 50' ahead doesn't make your driving too slow 50' behind any better. Two wrongs don't make a right
Who said anything about driving to slow? Has it ever occurred to you that the guy doing the tailgating wants to drive to fast?
usually when this situation happens with me the driver in front of me and myself are driving over the posted speed limit. So you cannot say we are driving to slow.
That's malarkey too. You don't have to alter your speed, at least not suddenly.
No that's not. Many times it's either them slowing down or it's me. One of us has do to it.
Lets say I am in the right lane doing 70 and a half mile ahead of me is someone doing 55 and a half mile behind me is someone doing 85. All three cars will be at the same spot at the same time. If there is only two lanes going in our direction either I have to or the guy behind me has to slow down and not by a slight amount. So i cannot drive as I always been driving, in the right lane, because I will hit the car in front of me.
The only reason you should get into the left lane is if someone is impeding your route in the right lane even slower than you are going.
Bingo I get in the left lane because the guy ahead of me is blocking my way. But then the guy behind me comes up on my rear end. Now if the guy behind me is a safe and courteous driver he will wait a respectable distance behind me and wait for me to pass. Or he can be agressive and ride my bumper.
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Or you can NOT be passive-aggressive, and since you noticed him closing in at 85 MPH a half mile back, you could let him pass first, and follow behind to pass. Or another option still is for you to speed up from your cruising speed of 70 momentarily to pass quickly without impeding the other drivers passing in the left lane.
It's not rocket science.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Is a problem. Only one hand on the steering wheel and that is reckless and irresponsible.
Do you always have both hands on the steering wheel? Now be honest did you have both hands on the steering wheel when you saw her?
I have seen people, just like all of us have, of people weaving about a lane and they have cell phone to head.
So have I, but I have also seen people driving talking on their cell phone operating their vehicle better than most people. So what? Again other than you seeing her on the phone was there anything wrong with her driving? If not then this is no big deal.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
No passive aggressiveness here, if I get to the vehicle I am overtaking first then I am there first there is no reason I should slow down to let someone who got there later past first.
Tell me if you go shopping and someone gets to the checkout line first are they being passive aggressive? No they just got there first, you just need to wait until they are through.
Again you are stating that it is not right for me to make others change their speed but that it is OK for them to force me to change their speed.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I did not pass on the shoulder. I argued both that it wasn't a shoulder, and two, that I wasn't passing anyone. I either won on one or both counts; either way, I was found not guilty of the insanely inapplicable charge.
The only thing I've admitted to is driving above the posted numbers on the signs, and not noticing a mostly hidden "no U-turn" sign.
As far as stop signs and red lights, I remember the following:
Turning left onto a one way from a two way on a red which is legal in competently lawed States (Oregon for example). On that one I was ignorant of CA's law, but there is no basis or reason for the law to be wrong; let's follow Oregon, they got it right.
Another was a right turn with an emergency vehicle in the intersection with its lights on. I felt the emergency vehicle overrode the light signal, and it was silly to be ticketed for the right turn at 1 MPH; especially since I was the designated driver and they were looking for DUI's. Couldn't give me the DUI; pulled the next most expensive ticket out of their behinds.
Another was for a right turn on red... I think I actually stopped for 1/1000th of a second on the video, it was a camera ticket, I called the EScondido police and told them they shouldn't be writing and mailing borderline "gray" tickets from these camera's, and a officer responded, called me, watched the video online with me, and agreed to dismiss without going to the courts.
So as far as stop signs and red lights, it varies. I remember in that left turn case the red light was obstructed by tree branches from certain angles and distances; that's another valid defense.
I was pulled over in a case of mistaken identity for "unsafe turn or lane change." Add that one to the list, just remembered it. That was 100% a false accusation as he pulled over the wrong guy (that is 100% certain).
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Did have a heck of a time getting to a shop on University because of a transit project (assume it's going to be a bus lane but don't know).
Didn't bring the canoe.
The 2nd train line, for which you saw the construction, won't be completed until 2014. Come back and see the Twin Cities again then, you can ride on TWO trains!
No one has yelled at us for creeping along or doing U Turns. I think the MI tags coupled with the Garmin hanging on the windshield tells them we're trying to find an attraction. Or they are just easy going drivers here.
No, that's not true.
I enjoy driving fast on a curvy scenic back country canyon road... but not your typical interstate freeway or local residential road.
I enjoy being productive and efficient. I walk fast, I drive fast. I dont' like to waste time. To me, driving slow is wasting time (because I'm not trying to think about my debate speech while driving; as that would be almost as bad as texting or talking on my cell phone) :P
If someone invented Star Trek technology to "beam me up" to work and back home, I'd take it over driving my car (assuming it wasn't cost prohibitive).
I just sometimes want to get from A to B as fast as safely possible.
Yes, sometimes I want to enjoy the scenery longer and drive a bit slower, but usually I can enjoy the scenery just fine while driving with some enthusiasm and spirit.
In California, maybe...
Outside of California and DC, there's only so many civil servants making 6 figures.
Good thing you don't have WI tags, along with a Packers sticker on your bumper--might get rammed then!
I enjoy driving fast on a curvy scenic back country canyon road... but not your typical interstate freeway or local residential road.
You've contradicted that statement many times with other posts, including the infamous recent La Mesa incident. Weren't you enjoying yourself driving on that road on that day? If you don't enjoy driving fast on residential roads--why do it? :confuse:
CHOOSE a profession? That's laughable given unemployment figures lately. Most people can't be choosy about their work assignments. And when you do get work, there are some jobs that change locations from time to time (construction for instance), and you can't efficiently move for every project (or you might have multiple projects).
Also, with the gov't busy bailing out banks that drove home values up and down, you can be stuck where your living for good.
If you happen to be lucky enough to find a job, and it happens to be near the coast, good luck finding housing near there that's affordable! No, you'll be forced financially to live more inland.
No, the real answer here is to get people to drive correctly, safely, and efficiently, and to get traffic enforcement to be done in a competent way, and to set speed limit laws in a manner that doesn't make a majority of the population "criminals" as you so eloquently put it.
But everyone can choose how fast they drive.
I don't recall calling a majority of the population "criminals". :confuse:
Next week we are going to the Dells for a family reunion/vacation and we will be taking back country roads all the way up there and all the way back. Sure it will take me about an hour and a half longer to get there, but the ride is worth it.
I almost always avoid the freeways if:
1.) Time is not an issue,
and
2.) No severe weather is expected (rather be trapped in a snowstorm on the Interstate than a back country road).
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To get from A to B safely and quickly. Why drive slower than is necessary to be safe and efficient?
I wasn't enjoying myself that day. I was merely going about my business driving the way I normally do having due regard for all traffic and weather conditions around me. It was just a typical day on another typical everyday drive.
And I wasn't driving "fast," as you put it. It depends on your definition of fast, but I don't consider 50 or 52 MPH to be fast for a straight empty road.
Also, it wasn't a residential road, we've already established that numerous times. It was 4 levels above a local/residential road, as established by the Cal Trans California Roadway Systems Maps. It was labeled a major arterial roadway. Again, thats 4 levels away from being considered a true local/residential roadway.
So I wasn't driving fast by all accounts; just driving safely; I wasn't rushed or in a particular hurry. If I wanted to drive fast for pure enjoyment or being rushed I'd of gone up the hill at 70 MPH.
I just don't get your logic, it's all Melarky.
The 2nd train line, for which you saw the construction, won't be completed until 2014. Come back and see the Twin Cities again then, you can ride on TWO trains!
I can vouch for this... you can't get around the Twin Cities by train like you can in SF/Chicago or any of the cities in the Bos-Wash corridor. One train (Hiawatha) from Downtown Minneapolis to the airport. The other under construction from Downtown Minneapolis to Downtown St Paul.
Still a car-dependent metro, for the most part... but the cities themselves are getting a little better.
And just how many of those 39,999 other violations have you been written up for?
I follow the same advice I just gave, I can't tell you the last time I was pulled over it was so long ago.
Slow down you will live longer.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Good thing you weren't feeling rushed that day! That would have cost you a pretty penny. But if you had gone 70 mph, you might have gotten to work (or home or wherever) a minute or two faster, and think what you could have done with all that extra time!
BTW it's "malarkey".
Or what happens if the left lane is also the right lane?
Or if I just happen to be in the left lane passing when a speed demon can't wait 20 seconds for me to complete the pass?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Then you wrote:
I don't recall calling a majority of the population "criminals".
By saying I'm breaking the law by speeding (which is what you implied), you are calling me a criminal, a law breaker if you will. Since the rampant underposted speed limits in CA make the majority of drivers "law breakers" you are calling the majority of the driving population criminals.
If A then B, you get to C. :sick:
Never in my life have I had the situation where if I had to leave for work 3.5 minutes later I would have to get up 3.5 minutes earlier. I would believe that most people
Also, if you work hourly and your emloyer allows overtime, you could get paid a time and a half for those extra 7 minutes everyday.
Poor example for if you work overtime you would just be leaving work later and it would still only be getting home 3.5 minutes later.
I'd rather have employees that are focused on productivity and efficiency, and giving me an extra 7 minutes of effort a day is a good worker to me.
Really? An employee that is a clock watcher and unproductive would be so regardless if their commute is 30 minutes or 33.5 minutes. I am a productive employee and not a clock watcher and I have always been. I am now with a 25 minute commute and I have been when I had an hour and a half commute.
Geez all this about 3.5 minutes that would be wasted either way.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
A nation of criminals! What a thought.
You need to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8MZ61PIeQY
Whoever referred to that video earlier, thank you!; it is a great video that every driver in the USA needs to watch and obey.
Even in rush hour traffic the left lane should move faster than the right lane, so you should either be passing the cars on the right (actively), and at least keeping up with the car in front of you, or keeping right.
Or what happens if the left lane is also the right lane?
I dont' understand the question. If you mean a single lane in each direction, when 5 cars get stalled by your slow driving, it's time to pull over, use a turn out, and yield the right of way.
Or if I just happen to be in the left lane passing when a speed demon can't wait 20 seconds for me to complete the pass?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway. You should be able to complete your pass quickly enough so as to not impede other traffic; if you are uncomfortable doing so, keep right until you have room and time to do so.
Plenty of rivers here and there are plenty of non-freeway roads that cross them. Cross the Mississippi several times a year and mostly on non-freeway bridges. Actually one of them goes through a town that is actually in the river (on an island to be exact). IIRC there are 5 bridges crossing the Mississippi from IL to IA north of I-80.
Now IIRC going between Chicago and Nashville there were 7 or 8 bridges crossing the Ohio river between Louisville and the Mississippi river that were not freeways. And one ferry (loved to take the route that had the ferry).
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8MZ61PIeQY
Whoever referred to that video earlier, thank you!; it is a great video that every driver in the USA needs to watch and obey.
Agreed.
Or if I just happen to be in the left lane passing when a speed demon can't wait 20 seconds for me to complete the pass?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway. You should be able to complete your pass quickly enough so as to not impede other traffic; if you are uncomfortable doing so, keep right until you have room and time to do so.
There's a fine line there. First of all, 20 seconds is not an unreasonable amount of time to spend in the passing lane while completing a pass. Obviously, you don't want to cut someone off when you move over, but in that 20 seconds, if you're doing 75mph, the [non-permissible content removed] doing 90 will close up over 400 feet on you. That's on him, not you.
Lets see:
Tailgating, failure to stop for redlight/stop sign, passing on the right shoulder, bald tires, failure to obey traffic sign (u-turn thing).
That's all I can remember for now. I think I got them all. :sick:
The tailgating should have been a ticket to the car in front of me for "unsafe lane change." The failure to yield completely for a redlight or stop sign were all malarkey, as they were all for either right turns and/or CA-like 1 MPH stops. The passing on the right shoulder was non-sense too, and got me found "not guilty." Bald tires was found "not guilty." The u-turn failure to obey signage we've already discussed previously.
Maybe some of you and others are onto something, and cops are just way too incompetent to write anything but mindless speeding tickets at a semi-competent level to get convictions and revenue generation.
I still maintain that so few people fight their tickets, that it doesn't matter what laws they enforce, they will get convictions regardless (like LLC enforcement would be nice). Also, traffic court is so unfair that they will get convictions just by showing up.
If I get up at the same time, and get ready at the same speed, and drive to work faster so that I get there in 29.5 minutes, then I'm arriving to work 1/2 a minute early rather than 3 minutes late everyday.
Simple.... math.
OK. Sorry. Guess it is now accepted practice, and apparently not inconsiderate, reckless and stupid to be driving about 50 MPH (my estimate) with one hand holding a cell phone, the other presumably on the steering wheel and the driver's attention diverted from her main responsibility of operating a motor vehicle. All this not on a straight as an arrow interstate in the right lane. No. On a rural 2-lane road, all double yellow with curves and dips and crests along with some driveways to some homes and farms.
We drastically need government intervention to require technology to not allow ANY cell calls in a moving vehicle except for 911 type calls.
There is some give and take, but what if visibility is great and you could see him from 1,000 feet away? Then you should know he's closing in fast, and you either complete your pass faster, or don't do it, so as not to impede him. In the closing of 400 feet, he should be able to coast down to about 80 (hopefully not have to BRAKE), and you should be able to get your 75 up to 80 to match; a bit of flexibility here.
20 seconds seems like a long time to me though; it might be reasonable when passing a double trailered semi-truck, but I think most would be ticked if it took you that long to safely pass a Fiat 500. :P
That is inviting someone to run into you trying to read all of those words. :shades:
I like the idea, and the intention, but as a passenger, I wouldn't want my cell phone to be non-functional just because I'm in a car (or train or plane, or boat) for that matter.
You need to experience rush hour in a major metro area.
I dont' understand the question. If you mean a single lane in each direction, when 5 cars get stalled by your slow driving, it's time to pull over, use a turn out, and yield the right of way.
Yes I mean when it is one lane in each direction. Now tell me why in the world should I inconvenience myself if I am doing nothing wrong because I have a bunch of idiots that don't want to play by the rules? Especially since they will only be stuck behind the traffic that 50 feet in front of me?
You should NOT initiate your pass in such a manner as to impede traffic and/or cause another vehicle to alter its speed on the roadway.
Oh I see, I should not drive in a way that may cause someone to alter their speed but it is OK for that other person to drive in such a way that I have to alter my speed. Now I see how the game is played they are far more important that me.
Yes it doesn't take long to pass a single car, but it doesn't take long for some yahoo to come barreling down on my rear doing 30 MPH over the limit. But it takes longer to pass a truck and still longer to pass more than one truck.
People should slow down and wait fr the pass to be completed.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Good point. People that go well over the limit, not just 5 over, think they and their time is so, so important. For them it's me, me, me. A combination of selfishness and failure to allow sufficient time for their tasks of the day, driving, whatever.
ORD, O'hare?
So you have been pulled over for all of those? If so it seems that you do exhibit some rather reckless driving habits. And it's not that the police are just picking on things to pull someone over, most of that is simply reckless.
I wouldn't call failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign or red light malarkey, the law says you must. Passing on the shoulder is also not nonsense, it is simply illegal in almost every case.
Somehow I find it hard to believe that you had those dismissed.
But when you come out this way please let me know when and where you will be on the road. I don't want to be around you when you are driving.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Funny, every once in a while a notice a big pickup parked right next to and close to an expensive foreign brand car in various parking lots and the car is parked well out in the boonies of the lot. Is there some pleasure guys with big American pickups get by doing this?
If nothing and she took the curve normally and if you didn't see the phone up to her head you wouldn't have thought anything was wrong then I really don't see a problem.
Believe it or not some people can walk and chew gum at the same time.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Well if they are tailgating then they are already close enough to read it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
There are ways to get there without getting on the freeway.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
What a waste of time, and life.
Yes, you got it! That's exactly it! Those who want to drive fast have priority over everyone else!
Pretty much sums up 75% of this discussion.
Irrelevant, someone driving too slow 50' ahead doesn't make your driving too slow 50' behind any better. Two wrongs don't make a right
Oh I see, I should not drive in a way that may cause someone to alter their speed but it is OK for that other person to drive in such a way that I have to alter my speed. Now I see how the game is played they are far more important that me.
That's malarkey too. You don't have to alter your speed, at least not suddenly. You can drive the way you've always been driving, in the right lane. The only reason you should get into the left lane is if someone is impeding your route in the right lane even slower than you are going. When you get into the left lane, you should be able to do so in a manner that doesn't bottleneck traffic. Impeding traffic in the left lane may cause a far greater disruption and "altering" of speed than you'd have to do by simply staying in the right lane in most of these cases. Why can't you just wait for an opening large enough to complete your super slow pass, or pass more swiftly in the alternative?
Surely someone has some stories. Nattering about speed laws is dullsville.
Guess you missed the part where they were all false accusations. :sick: Rememember, being pulled over and cited doesn't prove anything. No reckless driving involved here.
You seem to correlate reckless driving with being pulled over, I certainly don't. Being pulled over is not being convicted, and even convictions are not correlated to reckless driving (see accidents vs. citations received stats provided previously).
Somehow I find it hard to believe that you had those dismissed.
I didn't have them dismissed, they were found to be false allegations, and I was found "NOT guilty," far different, than a dismissal for LOP.
No passing on the right shoulder occurred, no tailgating occurred, no unsafe turns occurred on my part, in fact, no unsafe driving actions at all ever happened in any of my "pull overs."
Is a problem. Only one hand on the steering wheel and that is reckless and irresponsible. I have seen people, just like all of us have, of people weaving about a lane and they have cell phone to head. Primary responsibility is operating a motor vehicle.
If nothing and she took the curve normally
Could not be sure of that unless I was in an airplane overhead and monitored her movement before, during and after the curve.
Walking and chewing gum is ok. Walking on sidewalks in city or in shopping mall and talking on cell phone is inconsiderate and dumb.
Agreed, the officer that cited me should be put on non-paid administrative leave for such incompetence.
Who said anything about driving to slow? Has it ever occurred to you that the guy doing the tailgating wants to drive to fast?
usually when this situation happens with me the driver in front of me and myself are driving over the posted speed limit. So you cannot say we are driving to slow.
That's malarkey too. You don't have to alter your speed, at least not suddenly.
No that's not. Many times it's either them slowing down or it's me. One of us has do to it.
Lets say I am in the right lane doing 70 and a half mile ahead of me is someone doing 55 and a half mile behind me is someone doing 85. All three cars will be at the same spot at the same time. If there is only two lanes going in our direction either I have to or the guy behind me has to slow down and not by a slight amount. So i cannot drive as I always been driving, in the right lane, because I will hit the car in front of me.
The only reason you should get into the left lane is if someone is impeding your route in the right lane even slower than you are going.
Bingo I get in the left lane because the guy ahead of me is blocking my way. But then the guy behind me comes up on my rear end. Now if the guy behind me is a safe and courteous driver he will wait a respectable distance behind me and wait for me to pass. Or he can be agressive and ride my bumper.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Did you or did you not pass on the shoulder?
Did you or did you not not come to a complete stop at the light or stop sign?
You have admitted doing so in the past so it isn't a false accusations, you actually admitted to doing those things.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Or you can NOT be passive-aggressive, and since you noticed him closing in at 85 MPH a half mile back, you could let him pass first, and follow behind to pass. Or another option still is for you to speed up from your cruising speed of 70 momentarily to pass quickly without impeding the other drivers passing in the left lane.
It's not rocket science.
Do you always have both hands on the steering wheel? Now be honest did you have both hands on the steering wheel when you saw her?
I have seen people, just like all of us have, of people weaving about a lane and they have cell phone to head.
So have I, but I have also seen people driving talking on their cell phone operating their vehicle better than most people. So what? Again other than you seeing her on the phone was there anything wrong with her driving? If not then this is no big deal.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
No passive aggressiveness here, if I get to the vehicle I am overtaking first then I am there first there is no reason I should slow down to let someone who got there later past first.
Tell me if you go shopping and someone gets to the checkout line first are they being passive aggressive? No they just got there first, you just need to wait until they are through.
Again you are stating that it is not right for me to make others change their speed but that it is OK for them to force me to change their speed.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The only thing I've admitted to is driving above the posted numbers on the signs, and not noticing a mostly hidden "no U-turn" sign.
As far as stop signs and red lights, I remember the following:
Turning left onto a one way from a two way on a red which is legal in competently lawed States (Oregon for example). On that one I was ignorant of CA's law, but there is no basis or reason for the law to be wrong; let's follow Oregon, they got it right.
Another was a right turn with an emergency vehicle in the intersection with its lights on. I felt the emergency vehicle overrode the light signal, and it was silly to be ticketed for the right turn at 1 MPH; especially since I was the designated driver and they were looking for DUI's. Couldn't give me the DUI; pulled the next most expensive ticket out of their behinds.
Another was for a right turn on red... I think I actually stopped for 1/1000th of a second on the video, it was a camera ticket, I called the EScondido police and told them they shouldn't be writing and mailing borderline "gray" tickets from these camera's, and a officer responded, called me, watched the video online with me, and agreed to dismiss without going to the courts.
So as far as stop signs and red lights, it varies. I remember in that left turn case the red light was obstructed by tree branches from certain angles and distances; that's another valid defense.
I was pulled over in a case of mistaken identity for "unsafe turn or lane change." Add that one to the list, just remembered it. That was 100% a false accusation as he pulled over the wrong guy (that is 100% certain).