I've just googled "Bridges ice before roads" to confirm that this is related to the road surface being ABOVE the ground at a certain height (i.e., having a gap with the ground) rather than just being elevated. Bridges are open to the winds on all 4 sides and are made of highly heat-conducting steel rather than low-conducting asphalt.
Other than that, let us second the motion to bury the issue.
Lots of 25 +/- mph off ramps in these parts, but they're very conservatively marked. I can routinely take them at 10+ over without any issues at all. Unless there's snow on the ground, of course :shades:
There's a 25mph curve (exit lane from one expressway to another) here that I take every day. I generally run it at ~35mph (again, without ice) in my vehicles, but I can take it at 55 in my Fiesta without losing grip (just barely!). Boy, that's fun! :shades:
The trick is not having traffic ahead to slow me down.
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Maryland's MD-100 has some of the worst lane discipline I've ever seen in this state. A state that's not known for it's lane discipline in the first place.
Everytime I'm on that highway, I have to use the far-right lane to pass. The leftmost lane is almost always going slower than any other lane of traffic.
I agree completely. We have some on/off-ramps that're so tight and so potholed that a GTI is pushed hard going 25 mph.
Of course, cars still have to gun the engine to build up the speed necessary to merge into traffic, though. That understanding is sometimes lacking here in Maryland.
Lots of 25 +/- mph off ramps in these parts, but they're very conservatively marked.
In dry conditions I can usually double most every posted advisory speed in my Club Sport or MS3- but note that the BMW wears Dunlop Star Specs while the Mazda is shod with Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
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In dry conditions I can usually double most every posted advisory speed in my Club Sport
Whether in the Ody or my car, I will make sure to go the suggested yellow posted ramp speed if I have some hot shot on my bumper, such as in a BMW, WRX, etc as I enter the ramp. Some of these drivers are real jerks.
I usually try to see by what percentage I can exceed the yellow sign and still feel in control. There are some in the Seattle area I can virtually double.
I am lucky to currently be in the place that invented lane discipline. Haven't seen anything too horrible yet.
I did see a car get impatient while stuck in a back up caused by a double parked taxi. Kid in a Ford Ka or something then passes into the oncoming lane, which of course was occupied. A honking war erupted and the offending car gave way. It's funny how the land of strict driving rules and road logic also embraces the horn, which is seen as a horrible offense in most of the land of the lowest common denominator.
Also saw a car being towed the cool way. Well not towed, but removed and placed on a flatbed truck by one of those small mobile cranes. The car had parked on a median divider. Maybe it was just broken down.
Kudos for acknowledging and accepting your limitations!
Here is "my" full sentence: "Whether in the Ody or my car, I will make sure to go the suggested yellow posted ramp speed if I have some hot shot on my bumper, such as in a BMW, WRX, etc as I enter the ramp. There is an "if" in my sentence. :shades:
I do like to drive briskly, and I hope, never stupidly.
It is inconsiderate to drive on someone's bumper, especially on single-lane interstate ramps when one is already driving briskly. Tailgaters in nondescript cars can be forgiven, but those who apparently are enthusiasts by the cars they are driving cannot be. You would think that they know better and would be considerate. Obviously, inconsiderates can be found in every kind of vehicle.
Well, at least you aren't tapping the brake... :shades:
Seattle is hell in the off-ramp world, too. The yellow signs are woefully underposted, and the scaredy cat locals are usually afraid to approach the low speeds.
The long off-ramps on 90 in Bellevue are yellow-signed at 35...I can take them at 60 without much hassle.
Another day in lane-discipline land, didn't see anything dumb, but did see some Italian style parking (if you can fit it, park it)
It is inconsiderate to drive on someone's bumper, especially on single-lane interstate ramps when one is already driving briskly. Tailgaters in nondescript cars can be forgiven, but those who apparently are enthusiasts by the cars they are driving cannot be.
If someone rides my bumper I usually speed up and try to lure him/her into making a stupid mistake. I find most of my success occurs on rural roads where the tailgaters panic as they follow me into a corner and suddenly realize that they have run out of both grip and talent- I always enjoy checking the rearview mirror and catching a glimpse of the tailgater attempting to catch a lurid slide... :P
Obviously, inconsiderates can be found in every kind of vehicle.
True enough.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
"Start with an instrument called a ball-bank indicator. In a vehicle standing still and level, the ball-bank indicator looks like a smile with a piece of spinach caught between the two front teeth. That's the zero position.
When the car goes into a right curve, the spinach -- really a little ball -- deflects left. When the curve is to the left, the ball deflects to the right. The faster the speed, the farther from dead center the ball moves.
The DOT doesn't want the ball to "lean" more than 10 degrees at speeds of 35 mph or more, more than 12 degrees at speeds of 25 to 30, more than 14 degrees at speeds of 20 or lower.
Anything more, the DOT believes in its infinite wisdom, could cause discomfort to people and critters in the car and presents a risk of the driver losing control."
Lots of information here. it was interesting to note that the factor looked at was driver "discomfort," with the idea that anything over the advised speed limit on a curve while perfectly safe could cause driver discomfort to the point of leading to an accident.
So I guess we need to think about that the next time we think someone is driving too slow on a ramp...it may have less to do with the car they're driving but more to do with how it affects their comfort level. Of course you'd think a guy driving a sports car right at the advisory speed on a ramp shouldn't be driving a sports car in the first place if it's going to cause him discomfort!
Maybe if people are made so uncomfortable from some relatively minor g-forces, they need to hire a cab or take the bus. Seriously :sick:
I can only take any DOT so seriously when it seems to be an American universal that they can't bank corners properly.
No doubt it is more about comfort than feeling, which is why some of the ultra-timid and sensitive round normal corners at 4mph. They are uncomfortable (scared) to do more.
If someone rides my bumper I usually speed up and try to lure him/her into making a stupid mistake.
Is that considerate?
Been there, done that, do that. At times. Perhaps inconsiderate. Especially on one of the many interstate ramps I use which has a decreasing radius. If ramp clear ahead, can drive briskly and watch some fool who was on my bumper at ramp entrance start to back off quite a bit.
The last highway exit I use, the one for me to get off onto my local city street near home, has a nice off ramp.
One that is a relatively tight downhill turn that's slightly off-camber. I tend to take it at 50-mph... and the lateral acceleration does pull me heavily to one side.
And last week, I had an old Mercedes on my tail when I took the turn. When I exited the turn, that car wasn't anywhere to be seen. 15 seconds later, he finally popped out onto the road.
Of course, he then floored it, passed me in the passing lane, and honked his horn for the entire pass.
Exactly- along with the idiots who say, " I can't buy a RWD car because I need to be able to drive in the rain."
Am in far northern part of Illinois. Snow common from early Dec to early March. Had a number of rear drivers with V8's and posi and could drive safely in snow with 4 snow tires. That included a time when studs were legal and mounted at 4 corners made the car very good in the snow. But, found that FWD with 4 snow tires is quite a bit better than RWD with 4 snows.
Mentioned before, that in a previous winter, a friend in his 3 series coupe with all-season tires had great difficulty coming up our long inclined driveway in a fresh snowfall of little depth. He probably would have made it much easier if he had snow tires. Our front drivers always get up the driveway as long as we don't try to drive in snow deep enough to hang up the underside. If that deep, have to park the car at side of road and go get snowblower.
Some of the hypocritical law and order types love to preach about driving being a "privelege", but their mentality sets the bar lower for said "privelege" every day. Setting policies as not to offend the timid only lowers outcomes for everyone.
In Seattle, it's "I need AWD/4WD to drive in the rain", the same logic that demands a couple buy a Suburban when even thinking about bring devilspawn to the world.
Here's a pic from the outside work parking lot during the last big snow event in the Seattle area, 4 years ago - cars of fools who still believed that results matter. There's one RWD car present. Guess who drove it?
Regarding ramps, seems I usually get tailed by some chavved-out Acura or maybe a small SUV. I think they see the AMG badge and try to play - so I just speed way up. They just can't win.
1. Proof of principle: Driving in the snow (including deep snow) is possible in a RWD (no ABS) with bald all-season tires, sometimes with a little help of a shovel. I did it myself for many years.
2. Incontestable fact: Nevertheless, FWD is much superior over RWD in any snow.
3. Back to the original post: If there is no snow, only rain, any driver with average skills should have no problems whatsoever in any vehicle.
4. Related: AWD is really needed very very rarely. And when it is, you would often want a real 4WD, not a fake AWD.
Here's a pic from the outside work parking lot during the last big snow event in the Seattle area, 4 years ago
Looks like just a little more than a dusting.
Apparently, snow in Seattle is a rare event and folks can just stay home until....what? It melts, scraped clean, plowed, what?
Heard that a province in Canada has made it a requirement that all cars have 4 snow/winter tires in winter months. Might be a good idea for States such as COLO, WISC, NY, MINN, PENN, etc. Look at how that would stimulate economy what with sales of 4 snows, 4 wheels, mounting, dismounting, etc.
Then, with every one in cars, suvs having snows, we would not have inconsiderate drivers in "just" all season tires holding up traffic at intersections and driving extremely slowly.
That was 2 days after the event. There was about 10" at my place - a once in a decade event for those parts, a dusting for much of the country. Snow removal is second world in the Seattle area, so unless you live on the same street as the mayor, you're probably out of luck. Many areas simply don't have plows or snow chemicals/salt.
Other countries have similar tire rules. I'd only hope that tire rule wouldn't give false confidence, like what seems to impact trucks and SUVs after the first snow. Keeps tow companies in business.
I'm driving to Port Huron tomorrow and plan to take the FWD van with older all-seasons on it. But we're watching the weather and could switch to the Subaru in the morning and take advantage of the newer Nokians on it.
Probably just take my chances in the van; it's more comfortable, and I'll have some warm stuff and snacks. And a shovel. And towing insurance. :shades:
when I went to the bank at lunch. First, after I got out of the truck and walked across the parking lot to the bank, I heard someone off in the distance getting impatient with the horn, out on the street. I could see two cars stopped on the road, with the lead car looking like it was trying to make a left turn, and a black Dodge Ram behind them, which suddenly jerked off and into the parking lot.
Then, I saw it come up one of the aisles in the distance, at a speed a bit unreasonable for a parking lot. It had to stop at a stop sign and wait for cross traffic, as a car made a left turn in front of it. Then, I saw it coming up fast, gaining on that car. By this time I was at the bank, and as I went in, I saw the truck drive past the front.
It totally left my mind, and then while I waited for the ATM inside, a man came in behind me, 30-something, with a cane. Then, after about a minute, a security guard popped his head in and said "There's a car behind you that can't get out, so you're going to have to move". I turned around, to see he was talking to the guy with the cane. That guy ended up walking out the door. I popped my head out the door out of curiosity, and was a bit shocked at what I saw.
This guy had actually driven his black Dodge Ram through one of the three drive-in lanes, parked at the end of it, and got out! This was the lane for the drive-up ATM, and the car behind him couldn't manuever around him.
I'd love to know just what the heck was going through this guy's mind?! He did have a look on his face, like he had a chip on his shoulder and was mad at the world. He ended up parking in one of the handicap spots which was right out in front of the bank...actually a few steps CLOSER than where he had parked, blocking the drive-through lane.
Oh, and in the time he had to go and move his truck, someone else got in line behind me, so he had to wait even longer.
If they legislate winter tires in PA, I would rather stay a lawbreaker. We don't need them here more than 4-5 days a year.
As concerns "inconsiderates", who actually hold traffic here in a smallest rain or snow, they typically are the moms (and the pops) in huge AWD vehicles with all kinds of winter tires and stuff, who are scared to death of the rain, of the snow, of the road, of driving in general, and just of living their life, and that is why they got all their SUVs, AWDs and tires in the first place.
A woman who was caught on video driving along a sidewalk to avoid a stopped school bus has been ordered to wear an 'idiot' sign at the intersection where it happened.
Shena Hardin, 32, of Cleveland pleaded guilty to not stopping for a school bus and reckless operation. A Cleveland Municipal Court judge ordered her driver's license suspended for 30 days and for her to pay $250 in court costs, according to WJW Fox 8.
Shena Hardin (Photo courtesy of WJW Fox 8 Cleveland) As part of the sentence, Hardin must also must wear a sign that reads, "Only an idiot would drive on the sidewalk to avoid the school bus" for an hour a day for two days next week at the intersection where the incident occurred, according to Fox 8.
Hardin was arrested on Sept. 11 after a veteran school bus driver Uriah Herron noticed Hardin pull her driving stunt several times and recorded one incident on his cell phone camera.
"We had a very conscientious driver for 30 years. He really cares about his children and he took the extra step that this doesn't happen again," said Cleveland Metropolitan School District bus manager Eric Taylor told newsnet5.com.
What's the connection between these two drivers? :mad:
Yeah, I think I saw that on one of those "caught on camera" shows...pretty shocking!
I'll never forget when I was in 4th grade, our bus actually stopped along route 301, a major highway in Southern MD. One afternoon, just as a girl was about to get off the bus, a little red car went tearing past on the shoulder. That was a close call!
Saw my first phone yapper today, after virtually a week in a place where driving is serious business. Middle aged suited sycophant demographic, newer SLK, could have been at home.
So really, the only ones that REALLY matter are the states that one actually DRIVES in. So really it is FAR FAR FAR more safer to FAR FAR FAR more dangerous than the over all US statistics.
I am surprised WA fares so well, but maybe not - as that data is fatalities and not crashes in general. The really stupid/inconsiderate don't seem to kill themselves or others, they just bend metal and reate headaches.
I spent over 8 hours on the road today, drove in 4 countries. Saw a few annoying things (slow yet aggressive women - I am talking to you, Belgium and Luxembourg), but nothing too clueless. Didn't notice a single phone yapper or a LLCer. Cruised at triple digit mph speeds for considerable periods of time and didn't spontaneously explode into a pile of smashed atoms, either.
Thanks, and I am, even with my yearly cold and some luggage issues. The lack of slow idiots has helped. No LLCers, no phone yappers, no slow mergers, no right of way idiots...I can deal with this.
Took the big boat on some of the great narrow winding roads surrounding the Ring today - fun fun fun, like herding cats. It's a big car, and the posted limits are way higher than in the land of the lowest common denominator. Good times.
Gun season opens in two days and the interstate heading for the UP is full of truck campers, trailers and smaller RVs. Lots of pickups hauling 4 wheelers too. Going to hit some slow traffic across the bridge when we hit the two lanes home.
Wish they had started a couple of weeks ago. Too many Bambis on the roads up here.
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Other than that, let us second the motion to bury the issue.
Yes. Idiots on parade... :mad:
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The trick is not having traffic ahead to slow me down.
Everytime I'm on that highway, I have to use the far-right lane to pass. The leftmost lane is almost always going slower than any other lane of traffic.
:mad:
Of course, cars still have to gun the engine to build up the speed necessary to merge into traffic, though. That understanding is sometimes lacking here in Maryland.
http://goo.gl/maps/vNuJl
(Note the left-side on/off-ramp underneath the bridge. Two semis are taken up nearly all of the merge portion of the ramp.)
In dry conditions I can usually double most every posted advisory speed in my Club Sport or MS3- but note that the BMW wears Dunlop Star Specs while the Mazda is shod with Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
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Whether in the Ody or my car, I will make sure to go the suggested yellow posted ramp speed if I have some hot shot on my bumper, such as in a BMW, WRX, etc as I enter the ramp. Some of these drivers are real jerks.
Kudos for acknowledging and accepting your limitations!
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I did see a car get impatient while stuck in a back up caused by a double parked taxi. Kid in a Ford Ka or something then passes into the oncoming lane, which of course was occupied. A honking war erupted and the offending car gave way. It's funny how the land of strict driving rules and road logic also embraces the horn, which is seen as a horrible offense in most of the land of the lowest common denominator.
Also saw a car being towed the cool way. Well not towed, but removed and placed on a flatbed truck by one of those small mobile cranes. The car had parked on a median divider. Maybe it was just broken down.
Here is "my" full sentence: "Whether in the Ody or my car, I will make sure to go the suggested yellow posted ramp speed if I have some hot shot on my bumper, such as in a BMW, WRX, etc as I enter the ramp. There is an "if" in my sentence. :shades:
I do like to drive briskly, and I hope, never stupidly.
It is inconsiderate to drive on someone's bumper, especially on single-lane interstate ramps when one is already driving briskly. Tailgaters in nondescript cars can be forgiven, but those who apparently are enthusiasts by the cars they are driving cannot be. You would think that they know better and would be considerate. Obviously, inconsiderates can be found in every kind of vehicle.
Seattle is hell in the off-ramp world, too. The yellow signs are woefully underposted, and the scaredy cat locals are usually afraid to approach the low speeds.
The long off-ramps on 90 in Bellevue are yellow-signed at 35...I can take them at 60 without much hassle.
Another day in lane-discipline land, didn't see anything dumb, but did see some Italian style parking (if you can fit it, park it)
If someone rides my bumper I usually speed up and try to lure him/her into making a stupid mistake. I find most of my success occurs on rural roads where the tailgaters panic as they follow me into a corner and suddenly realize that they have run out of both grip and talent- I always enjoy checking the rearview mirror and catching a glimpse of the tailgater attempting to catch a lurid slide...
Obviously, inconsiderates can be found in every kind of vehicle.
True enough.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
http://www.sptimes.com/News/050700/SouthPinellas/A_word_of_advice_on_r.shtml
"Start with an instrument called a ball-bank indicator. In a vehicle standing still and level, the ball-bank indicator looks like a smile with a piece of spinach caught between the two front teeth. That's the zero position.
When the car goes into a right curve, the spinach -- really a little ball -- deflects left. When the curve is to the left, the ball deflects to the right. The faster the speed, the farther from dead center the ball moves.
The DOT doesn't want the ball to "lean" more than 10 degrees at speeds of 35 mph or more, more than 12 degrees at speeds of 25 to 30, more than 14 degrees at speeds of 20 or lower.
Anything more, the DOT believes in its infinite wisdom, could cause discomfort to people and critters in the car and presents a risk of the driver losing control."
I confirmed this on the DOT webpage:
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa1122/ch3.cfm
Lots of information here. it was interesting to note that the factor looked at was driver "discomfort," with the idea that anything over the advised speed limit on a curve while perfectly safe could cause driver discomfort to the point of leading to an accident.
So I guess we need to think about that the next time we think someone is driving too slow on a ramp...it may have less to do with the car they're driving but more to do with how it affects their comfort level. Of course you'd think a guy driving a sports car right at the advisory speed on a ramp shouldn't be driving a sports car in the first place if it's going to cause him discomfort!
I can only take any DOT so seriously when it seems to be an American universal that they can't bank corners properly.
No doubt it is more about comfort than feeling, which is why some of the ultra-timid and sensitive round normal corners at 4mph. They are uncomfortable (scared) to do more.
Is that considerate?
Been there, done that, do that. At times. Perhaps inconsiderate. Especially on one of the many interstate ramps I use which has a decreasing radius. If ramp clear ahead, can drive briskly and watch some fool who was on my bumper at ramp entrance start to back off quite a bit.
The last highway exit I use, the one for me to get off onto my local city street near home, has a nice off ramp.
One that is a relatively tight downhill turn that's slightly off-camber. I tend to take it at 50-mph... and the lateral acceleration does pull me heavily to one side.
And last week, I had an old Mercedes on my tail when I took the turn. When I exited the turn, that car wasn't anywhere to be seen. 15 seconds later, he finally popped out onto the road.
Of course, he then floored it, passed me in the passing lane, and honked his horn for the entire pass.
Exactly- along with the idiots who say, " I can't buy a RWD car because I need to be able to drive in the rain."
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Am in far northern part of Illinois. Snow common from early Dec to early March. Had a number of rear drivers with V8's and posi and could drive safely in snow with 4 snow tires. That included a time when studs were legal and mounted at 4 corners made the car very good in the snow. But, found that FWD with 4 snow tires is quite a bit better than RWD with 4 snows.
Mentioned before, that in a previous winter, a friend in his 3 series coupe with all-season tires had great difficulty coming up our long inclined driveway in a fresh snowfall of little depth. He probably would have made it much easier if he had snow tires. Our front drivers always get up the driveway as long as we don't try to drive in snow deep enough to hang up the underside. If that deep, have to park the car at side of road and go get snowblower.
In Seattle, it's "I need AWD/4WD to drive in the rain", the same logic that demands a couple buy a Suburban when even thinking about bring devilspawn to the world.
Here's a pic from the outside work parking lot during the last big snow event in the Seattle area, 4 years ago - cars of fools who still believed that results matter. There's one RWD car present. Guess who drove it?
Regarding ramps, seems I usually get tailed by some chavved-out Acura or maybe a small SUV. I think they see the AMG badge and try to play - so I just speed way up. They just can't win.
2. Incontestable fact: Nevertheless, FWD is much superior over RWD in any snow.
3. Back to the original post: If there is no snow, only rain, any driver with average skills should have no problems whatsoever in any vehicle.
4. Related: AWD is really needed very very rarely. And when it is, you would often want a real 4WD, not a fake AWD.
Looks like just a little more than a dusting.
Apparently, snow in Seattle is a rare event and folks can just stay home until....what? It melts, scraped clean, plowed, what?
Heard that a province in Canada has made it a requirement that all cars have 4 snow/winter tires in winter months. Might be a good idea for States such as COLO, WISC, NY, MINN, PENN, etc. Look at how that would stimulate economy what with sales of 4 snows, 4 wheels, mounting, dismounting, etc.
Then, with every one in cars, suvs having snows, we would not have inconsiderate drivers in "just" all season tires holding up traffic at intersections and driving extremely slowly.
Other countries have similar tire rules. I'd only hope that tire rule wouldn't give false confidence, like what seems to impact trucks and SUVs after the first snow. Keeps tow companies in business.
I'm driving to Port Huron tomorrow and plan to take the FWD van with older all-seasons on it. But we're watching the weather and could switch to the Subaru in the morning and take advantage of the newer Nokians on it.
Probably just take my chances in the van; it's more comfortable, and I'll have some warm stuff and snacks. And a shovel. And towing insurance. :shades:
Then, I saw it come up one of the aisles in the distance, at a speed a bit unreasonable for a parking lot. It had to stop at a stop sign and wait for cross traffic, as a car made a left turn in front of it. Then, I saw it coming up fast, gaining on that car. By this time I was at the bank, and as I went in, I saw the truck drive past the front.
It totally left my mind, and then while I waited for the ATM inside, a man came in behind me, 30-something, with a cane. Then, after about a minute, a security guard popped his head in and said "There's a car behind you that can't get out, so you're going to have to move". I turned around, to see he was talking to the guy with the cane. That guy ended up walking out the door. I popped my head out the door out of curiosity, and was a bit shocked at what I saw.
This guy had actually driven his black Dodge Ram through one of the three drive-in lanes, parked at the end of it, and got out! This was the lane for the drive-up ATM, and the car behind him couldn't manuever around him.
I'd love to know just what the heck was going through this guy's mind?! He did have a look on his face, like he had a chip on his shoulder and was mad at the world. He ended up parking in one of the handicap spots which was right out in front of the bank...actually a few steps CLOSER than where he had parked, blocking the drive-through lane.
Oh, and in the time he had to go and move his truck, someone else got in line behind me, so he had to wait even longer.
As concerns "inconsiderates", who actually hold traffic here in a smallest rain or snow, they typically are the moms (and the pops) in huge AWD vehicles with all kinds of winter tires and stuff, who are scared to death of the rain, of the snow, of the road, of driving in general, and just of living their life, and that is why they got all their SUVs, AWDs and tires in the first place.
Shena Hardin, 32, of Cleveland pleaded guilty to not stopping for a school bus and reckless operation. A Cleveland Municipal Court judge ordered her driver's license suspended for 30 days and for her to pay $250 in court costs, according to WJW Fox 8.
Shena Hardin (Photo courtesy of WJW Fox 8 Cleveland)
As part of the sentence, Hardin must also must wear a sign that reads, "Only an idiot would drive on the sidewalk to avoid the school bus" for an hour a day for two days next week at the intersection where the incident occurred, according to Fox 8.
Hardin was arrested on Sept. 11 after a veteran school bus driver Uriah Herron noticed Hardin pull her driving stunt several times and recorded one incident on his cell phone camera.
"We had a very conscientious driver for 30 years. He really cares about his children and he took the extra step that this doesn't happen again," said Cleveland Metropolitan School District bus manager Eric Taylor told newsnet5.com.
What's the connection between these two drivers? :mad:
I'll never forget when I was in 4th grade, our bus actually stopped along route 301, a major highway in Southern MD. One afternoon, just as a girl was about to get off the bus, a little red car went tearing past on the shoulder. That was a close call!
And the funny thing was they tried to defend the act at first.
Wearing the sign is a suitable punishment, she should have to wear it any time she's driving.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
All of them.
Edit: here's the video:
Can't believe she originally plead not guilty. Really?
I would say: the truck manufacturer (was it Toyota Tacoma?) and the owner of the stolen gas.
Looked like a Ford to me? Older one.
Might well be F-150... Just shows us (again) how similar all vehicles became.
They're still working on the American version, which actually speaks to you.
It yells, "STOP TEXTING!"
IIHS State stats
So really, the only ones that REALLY matter are the states that one actually DRIVES in. So really it is FAR FAR FAR more safer to FAR FAR FAR more dangerous than the over all US statistics.
I spent over 8 hours on the road today, drove in 4 countries. Saw a few annoying things (slow yet aggressive women - I am talking to you, Belgium and Luxembourg), but nothing too clueless. Didn't notice a single phone yapper or a LLCer. Cruised at triple digit mph speeds for considerable periods of time and didn't spontaneously explode into a pile of smashed atoms, either.
Took the big boat on some of the great narrow winding roads surrounding the Ring today - fun fun fun, like herding cats. It's a big car, and the posted limits are way higher than in the land of the lowest common denominator. Good times.
Wish they had started a couple of weeks ago. Too many Bambis on the roads up here.