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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Sounds about right, add middle aged women to that, too. There might be the clueless MB driver here and there, but I seldom see a reckless or aggressive one (unless I count myself, oh wait :shades: )
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    What's SUA?
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    Yesterday's assignment took me on another route that included uphill and downhill sections full of switchbacks and other tight corners. Just before I reached the first uphill section an older dark blue Camry with the gold package and a handicapped tag pulled out ahead of me. I was sure it was going to be a painful ascent and descent, but the driver was actually competent. I was driving my wife's E90, so I wasn't pushing too much to begin with, but the Camry drove at a fairly brisk pace- taking corners at 5 mph-10 mph over the advisory speed and very rarely touching the brakes. Even better was the fact that a redneck in a very grungy mid-nineties Mustang pulled up on my back bumper(even though I was going @10 mph over) right before I encountered the Camry. When the Toyota and I reached the top of the hill the Mustang was way, WAAAY behind us- Mr. Mullet-head was obviously terrified of lateral acceleration... :P

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    SUA = Sudden Unintended Acceleration

    99% of the time from pedal misapplication error from the driver.
    1% of the time from floor mat issues (still driver error for not securing them prior to driving).
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    That is surprising! That must be the holy grail of unlikely driving scenarios.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Today I got to ride in a car where the driver couldn't resist texting. E90 328i, which isn't shocking. He didn't have any close calls, although I am sure the odds will catch up eventually.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Today I got to ride in a car where the driver couldn't resist texting. E90 328i, which isn't shocking.

    One would think that BMW drivers/owners/leasers are pretty smart people. That would include trophy foxy types. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    For most, they want a badge to show off. My local texter might be similar, but at least he can drive a stick. Still, from what I can see on the roads here, there is no positive correlation between financial means and driving ability.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    4 no headlights cars tonight - Civic, Camry, Odyssey, 80s lifted Ford 4x4. I motioned to the truck driver that he needed to do something - he seemed to look, but did nothing. Odyssey driver was amusing - I'd wager a very "new" resident, dark street, an hour after sunset, she pulls up to an intersection on a green turn arrow, stops, gets honked at, proceeded on to a wide fast arterial street at about 4mph, and makes the slowest wobbliest lane change I have ever seen. It kind of scares me that independent schools are now able to pass student drivers. I can see it for motorcycles, not for cars, not in this multicultural wonderland where I seriously suspect favors are granted for a fee.

    Also 2 dumb pedestrians - idiot young woman crossing against red wearing all black on a dark street, and an especially dopey looking older woman with a phone to her ear crossing late in a crosswalk, walking at a crawling place (hard to walk and talk at once), midway she leaves the crosswalk and veers off still in the street, a pickup has green, turns, and honks at her. Had she been hit I might have just kept walking, myself.

    Other traffic didn't have much dumb other than the painful slowness that seems to be getting worse here, combined with negligent and shameful management of traffic controls by overpaid unfireable supposed engineers and planners. Quickly racing to the bottom, away from first world status.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    In fairness the lifted truck could just drive over people. :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    For some of these "people", it wouldn't be a loss.

    Driving to work this morning, 0545 or so, slow Prius in front of me. Slow and dopey, didn't signal to get into a turn lane, but used signal once turn had started. Road gains a lane, I get ready to move left, and immediately Prius moves left, so I continue straight, pass (going probably less than 5 over), Prius is quickly then fading in my mirror as I am barely if at all speeding. Driver was a timid looking young woman with a deathgrip on the wheel who probably thought she was being nice by moving *left* to let me by. Ah what a place.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited December 2012
    She'd be even more dangerous in a fast car. ;)

    I still hum "A Prius for everyone ... else" when I see that new commercial. :D
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    As driving like there's snow on the ground when it rains (like today).

    I think that's a good way to put it, they drive as if there is snow on the ground when we get a little bit of rain. GRIDLOCK ensues.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Trouble it, the freeway in San Diego can be slick as snow when it rains (assuming it hasn't rained for a while). I know cops all over LA will pull you over if they think you are going too fast for conditions in a light rain, even if you are traveling under the speed limit.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    I know cops all over LA will pull you over if they think you are going too fast for conditions in a light rain, even if you are traveling under the speed limit.

    Names and Badge numbers please??? Let's expose these Revenue Nannies for what they really are.

    This wasn't the first rain of the season, the roads were typical to wet conditions.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Sounds like Seattle. Except it rains nearly every day, and wet weather still causes a mass freak-out. Commutes can easily be 100% longer on wet vs dry days - no crashes or legitimate issues, just inept scaredy cat drivers.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Driving home tonight, no rain, yay! Traffic was still slow. Got behind a Focus on a 40mph road that was in the left lane, froze up, hit the signal, nearly stopped for several seconds, and then made a slow lane change. It was then holding up traffic in that lane (I hit the horn and got by as fast as I could). No reason I could see for this, but I bet a phone was involved. Then got behind a Yukon that turned right onto a side street, at about 3mph, no signal, its big butt blocking the road. That got a horn too.

    2 no lights cars - Insight and Murano.

    On foot, I noticed an endless amount of "drivers" holding phones while "driving", easily seemed like half the cars on the road. It's amusingly easy to see when it is dark. Where's the enforcement?
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    On foot, I noticed an endless amount of "drivers" holding phones while "driving", easily seemed like half the cars on the road. It's amusingly easy to see when it is dark. Where's the enforcement?

    Now, here is a place where our Washington DC politicians could direct some regulations. Meaningful regulations rather than what we have seen recently that stifles business.

    Meaningful would be legislation, laws banning cell phone use in moving vehicles except for calling 911. That would be backed up with legislation requiring technology in all new vehicles and along with cell providers that would block cell phone use in moving vehicles except 911. Expect that crybabies will say, "But that blocks cell conversations of passengers". So what.

    The prime and "only" obligation of drivers must be 100 percent devoted to the operation of those vehicles in conformance of all rules and regulations of the road in all States.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    Perhaps the lack of phone enforcement is meant to be "business friendly" - as no doubt some people are shopping on their phone while they drive, and are enjoying their devices that they had to shop to buy.

    I believe our dumbed down licensing standards are also meant to be "business friendly" - enabling just about anyone to drive, so they can shop, spend money on cars and gas, etc. The dumbed down race to the bottom is perhaps the most business friendly movement in the history of commerce.

    Regarding the blocking technology, I bet high schoolers would be able to write software to override it, and the passenger ideal is a valid complaint. Maybe moreso than things being "stifled" by regulation that usually pales in comparison to our first world competitors.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Why not just make the penalty for using a cell phone while driving the Death sentence???

    Electric chair, firing squad, hanging, lethal injection, take your pick.

    Cell Phone use would be curbed overnight with this legislation. Far more effective than your plan.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Why not just make the penalty for using a cell phone while driving the Death sentence???

    Is that just a little bit extreme?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    While we're at it, let's make the penalty for making a U-turn when "no U-turn" is posted the death penalty.

    Also for turning right on red when posted "no right turn on red".

    Before long, the problem of traffic congestion will be solved as there will be few drivers left.

    But those who are left will drive VERY carefully. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Light traffic for a Friday evening here. No major offenders - still lots of slowpokes, especially a younger guy in a Mercury Milan going about 25 in a 40. Must not have wanted to damage his mom's car. Witnessed a winner in a newer Optima breeze straight through a right turn only lane, then make a right turn a block up, no signal. And lots of phone yappers as usual, some employing the underhanded steering maneuver that brands one as not an actual driver.

    Saw 4 no headlights cars - a Sienna with parking lights, 2 Prius with no lights, Durango with no lights.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2012
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    Not to worry, they don't get too far, although this is a Wisconsin example.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The intriguing part of this is, it says "and". I wonder how they equip the cars with the tanning bulbs? :confuse:
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    While we're at it, let's make the penalty for making a U-turn when "no U-turn" is posted the death penalty.

    AS long as the sign makes engineering sense and is justified 24 hours per day, and is posted in a reasonably visable location, I'm OK with that! :P ;)

    I haven't met a "no right turn on red" sign that made complete sense yet.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I haven't met a "no right turn on red" sign that made complete sense yet.

    Well, you'd better hope they don't implement that death penalty for turning right on red where one of those "senseless" signs is!

    I remember a time when turning right on red was NEVER legal, at least in MN. So being able to turn right on red most of the time is an improvement.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    Right turn on red is virtually unknown in Europe, too. It is perhaps the greatest American contribution to traffic regulations. Too bad that in this area, one now and then encounters the painfully timid and inept who are afraid to take that free turn. People who like to many others need to be using a taxi or bus.

    Last night saw only one no-lights car, Mazda 5. I flashed and blinked my lights at the middle aged male driver, yet again no response. I wonder if they all have tunnel vision?

    Out this morning, friend driving. Seemed only about 25% of "drivers" bothered to use their signal - this should be a significant and no-warning ticket, but I guess "speed kills" is more profitable (and that's the key).
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    The Integra I just bought is real old school. Completely manual lights. But the dash is also old school, so no electro glow to fake you out.

    also an oddity? It still has an old fashioned odometer, so you can always see the numbers. Very quaint. Wonder how hard it will be to roll back? :blush:

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    Out on foot this morning, saw a stereotypical suit in a recently plated new style Cayenne holding a phone in one hand and texting while slowly pulling out of a Whole Foods parking lot (I kid you not) onto a busy 30mph arterial, and getting up to about 15mph as traffic moved around. Maybe the US needs to adapt the policies of more developed nations and have fines based on wealth. It's more obvious with each new day that this is not a meritocracy. If the "high earners" are so much more logical and intelligent and hard working than everyone else, they sure have a funny way of showing it, at least around here. Make the fines 10x higher on top of that for yappers not using integrated bluetooth, if available, too.

    Also saw a Corolla make a dawdling turn into a packed post office parking lot - it turned into the exit only lane, which drew some honks. A Suburban that turned right from a straight only lane topped off the morning.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That's the way it maybe should be. Make people responsible for lights, and they will remember. But then again...maybe not.

    The multifunction display in my E55 shows trip odometer and regular at once. Hasn't been a MB with a rollback odometer since maybe 1995-96 or so, I think.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    A tax can also be a maintenance payment to continue the systems that enabled one to do well. As very very few actually "built it", even though some seem to recently be claiming otherwise :shades:

    But we're talking fines, not taxes.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Following me today, was about to hit me until I honked. Looking down at a smart phone even after that occurred.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    The many who built it, do so despite the "systems" they encountered. If the theory "systems enable one to do well" were true and actual, all people would be better off than they chose to be. ;)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I wonder if this gentleman learned to drive while getting tanned up here too?

    Chippewa County Driver's Ed Teacher Arrested for Drunk Driving (9and10news.com)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    I saw a driver's ed car (private) spin out at a wet intersection the other day. I thought it might be the instructor having fun or teaching a lesson about traction - but nope, it was a young student, and don't think it was intentional.

    A similar incident of those who should know better, but seldom act like it - punishment, which should be termination and then the same penalties as given to a normal citizen, will be a slap on the wrist, no doubt.

    Paid leave. Authority at work, high accountability.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    No lights this evening - G35/37 sedan, early 90s Toyota 4x4, yuppie style loaded 4 door Wrangler. Oh, and the other day I saw a Q5 in the dark with no lights - that's irksome as I am certain that car has automatic lights. I tried to motion to the Jeep driver (I was on foot, waiting for a crosswalk arrow) that his lights weren't on, by pointing to down and towards the front of his car, he misinterpreted me, thinking I was letting him go by (although I had red) and gave me a "thanks" motion. Phone to his ear, of course. One crosswalk crowder, young woman in a Prius.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Similarly, saw many inconsiderate and dumb drivers yesterday on a very dark overcast day. Just before the time of sunset, and after, saw many, many drivers without headlights.

    Yesterday morning on the interstate, two left lane campers barely going over the speed of those in the right lane for about 10 miles. Could not get around them. Many semis and cars, suvs in right lane. Numerous cars, suvs backed up in left lane.

    When they finally moved over, the car directly in front of me was a Ford Focus with a woman driver and she had a cellphone in her left hand up to her head. In front of her was a perennial traffic blocker type. He was in a compact truck with a cap. I very rarely see a compact truck driver that is not blocking traffic. What is it about the mentality of guys who buy compact pickups?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Here it was a dark day with moderate rain around the clock, and I saw these no-light cars about an hour after sunset. How can people be so oblivious? Speaking of that, got behind a previous generation Legacy sedan that had its right turn signal on for a good mile or more, passed 10 places to turn, never turned. Then a mile later, got behind a 90s Legacy with its left signal on, creeping along at maybe 20 in a 35, not turning. Second world.

    The pickups with canopies/caps are usually slow here too - grandpa trucks. As opposed to vans and box trucks here, which often drive like maniacs.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What is it about the mentality of guys who buy compact pickups?

    Hey, give 'em a break, they're pedaling as fast as they can! :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited December 2012
    Only one no-lights car this evening, a Sentra. And a Ford truck with only parking lights. Funny that it stops raining, and more "drivers" have their lights on.

    Got crosswalk crowded by a new style GS that both cut into the crosswalk in front of me when I had green, and hit its signal as it started to turn - obvious distracted driver. Should have let it hit me, ka-ching. Also another crowder, young woman in a C-class turned right on green walk signal, probably didn't see me, as she had a phone in her hand. Minimal fine for an incident that should be hitting 4 figures, proportional to the means of the driver...

    Also saw a crash - happened upon it maybe 5-10 mins after it happened, first emergency cars were there, police just starting to direct traffic. From what I could tell, something ran a light, or an Elantra ran a light, and the Elantra got t-boned at a good 30-35mph. Other car continued on for a half block or more, couldn't tell what it was in the dark. Oh, and at this scene, a cop was directing traffic, stopped one direction, guy in a Jetta just rolls up, slows a little, and turns right - while the cop screams "STOP" twice. Should be a $1000 ticket right there.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Heavy ice fog in Fairbanks today.... with about one in ten vehicles without lights! I'm almost disappointed that those invisible drivers don't cause more crashes, but I still doubt it would wake the rest of them up.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Maybe they can all crash into each other and remove themselves from the motoring population. Sadly, they'll take others out instead. Looks like another unenforced law, too - gobs of taxpayer dollars have gone into other enforcement and awareness campaigns, haven't seen a finger lifted on this one. But when it's almost impossible to be fired...
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    A thought in keeping with this time of year and also in reflection of recent events: why don't we who complain so much about inconsiderate driving go out of our way for the next few weeks (at least) to be considerate drivers? Some suggestions:

    * If someone is doing something we don't like, e.g. driving slowly, but it's not unsafe... ignore it.
    * If someone is trying to merge onto a freeway (yes, even if they're merging more slowly than we think they should) and we can help them out by changing lanes or adjusting our speed... do it.
    * If the car ahead of us is driving more slowly than we'd like, even if they're in the left lane, don't tailgate them or flash high beams at them multiple times. If they're going under the flow of traffic, maybe a quick flash of the high beams to wake them up. If that doesn't do it, look for the first safe opportunity to get around them and then do it.
    * Center your vehicle in your parking spot whenever possible. Leave some room for other vehicles. This is especially important if your vehicle isn't a compact.
    * Remember to turn your lights on and use turn signals whenever appropriate.
    * If you see a vehicle trying to move into your lane and it's difficult to do so because of traffic, give 'em a break and let them in ahead of you, if it's safe. Maybe give them a smile and a little wave... or if in TX the one-finger greeting aka "Hidy sign". Be sure to use your index finger!.

    And there's lots of other things we can do to exemplify courteous driving and make the roads a more pleasant place for everyone.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Canal Rd near Fletcher's Boat House has 2 lanes inbound in the morning, 2 outbound in the PM.

    ML guy comes in from Reservoir Rd going the wrong way! Whoops!

    Immediately facing oncoming traffic, he drives up on the grass shoulder. Of course that's a busy road, so now he's stuck there.

    The ML (1st gen) still be there now. :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Hear hear about the parking. Best time of year to park out in the boonies.

    To the list I would add:

    Watch out for pedestrians. Especially when they have a crosswalk or the right of way given to them at a lighted intersection. Lots of people on foot (at least here) at this time of year, and lots of distracted drivers having close calls.

    If you're on a road and every car is passing you, and then pulling in front of you (ie: you're not keeping up with any lane of traffic), speed up or find a slower road.

    If you're on a road and you're passing every single car (faster than any lane), having to weave around, slow down.

    And most important: hang up and drive.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Good adds! On the peds, this time of year there's snow/ice around in my town, making it harder for people on foot as well as for vehicles to stop in time for peds. So... extra care needed in areas with ped traffic.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    * If someone is doing something we don't like, e.g. driving slowly, but it's not unsafe... ignore it.

    Driving slowly is almost always unsafe. Graphs show that driving slowly is just as, if not more dangerous than driving too fast for conditions.

    If the car ahead of us is driving more slowly than we'd like, even if they're in the left lane, don't tailgate them or flash high beams at them multiple times. If they're going under the flow of traffic, maybe a quick flash of the high beams to wake them up. If that doesn't do it, look for the first safe opportunity to get around them and then do it.

    In other words, if a rapist rapes you, let it go, move on, and go on with your life and don't do anything about it. Sure, the rapist will go on to rape more people, other people, but heck, it's considerate according to you!

    * If you see a vehicle trying to move into your lane and it's difficult to do so because of traffic, give 'em a break and let them in ahead of you, if it's safe. Maybe give them a smile and a little wave... or if in TX the one-finger greeting aka "Hidy sign". Be sure to use your index finger!.
    * If someone is trying to merge onto a freeway (yes, even if they're merging more slowly than we think they should) and we can help them out by changing lanes or adjusting our speed... do it.
    * If the car ahead of us is driving more slowly than we'd like, even if they're in the left lane, don't tailgate them or flash high beams at them multiple times. If they're going under the flow of traffic, maybe a quick flash of the high beams to wake them up. If that doesn't do it, look for the first safe opportunity to get around them and then do it.


    This kind of behavior seems likely to me to cause traffic, congestion, and unnecessary brake lights on the freeways and impede the progress of traffic. These high levels of congestion and traffic I find decidedly unpleasant, and inconsiderate.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ronsteveronsteve Member Posts: 1,234
    edited December 2012
    Two of them within about 5 minutes of each other...

    On a 4-lane surface street, approaching a freeway interchange, a black RX3#0 is in the left hand lane. Sometime after the right turn lane begins, he cuts all the way across, and is well past the solid lines as he makes his right to the on-ramp.

    After we got on the Watterson, we were approaching the Shelbyville Road interchange, significant today because there are two shopping malls on that road. The right-hand lane of the collector-feeder system was backed up with people waiting to get to those ramps. An older Pontiac had gone up the left lane, and was down to a crawl waiting to get in line to exit. A white Lexus ES sedan just behind moves over onto the left shoulder to go around. The next car in line was a Louisville Metro PD cruiser, who promptly lit up the Lexus. OK, maybe the Lexus was not the main inconsiderate in that exchange, but it definitely qualifies as a stupid maneuver.

    That doesn't account for the 25 mph crawl on I-71 this morning as people had to gawk at an Element with its nose bloodied, but all the way in the median. Or the older Camry on a surface street that had come to a complete stop with its left turn signal on, half in a left-turn lane and half in a straight lane, before deciding to go straight.

    Or the new merge getting on northbound 71 from the Watterson, where the I-71 traffic is pretty good about getting left, and the acceleration lane has been extended to a solid half mile, but people still insist on taking the 50mph ramp at 30, and act like they only have 100 feet to merge.
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