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  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    No these are the one's that do not revert to red... Like GREEN Arrow..Then yellow, then GREEN...and they stay there... Obviously if they had a red, it's ok to stay back in the crossline area.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    You CAN turn right on red, you don't HAVE to. I've come to plenty of lights where I've seen the NO TURN ON RED sign. I've never come to one that says you MUST. If someone in front of me doesn't, it's annoying, but if they're not comfortable pulling out into the traffic they see, or they simply don't realize they can turn on red, that's the way it goes.
    Back when right on red was first allowed in PA, after about 6 months of the new law I came to a red light, stopped, looked both ways, and proceeded to make a LEFT on red... whoops! My passenger sat there with this look on his face like " What just happened?"...LOL

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  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    I try to be patient since sometimes there is a no-turn-on-red sign placed where only the first car can see it.

    Just yesterday, as I was heading home with dinner, I pulled up into the intersection during a green light to await an opportunity for a left turn. Light went yellow, and cars heading in both directions began to slow. Light went red, and I began to move to complete the turn and get out of the intersection.

    Enter pickup truck coming from other direction. He actually goes AROUND the car in front of him, which had already stopped at the light, and runs the red doing about 45-50 mpg, barely missing me. I had to slam on the brakes to avoid making the evening news.
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    That reminds me... another common habit down here...

    When the light turns yellow, 4 cars go (that's fine)...It turns red... and 3 more are continuing to turn. Green turning light hits the other direction, and they can't turn because the cars from the "NOW RED light running people, are still turning"...

    Ok so I've had it... NOW When the light turns green, I shoot. Already had one city bus who RAN the obvious red light, slam his brakes because I was NOT about to let him go through... The cars behind me, ALSO did NOT let him go through... So here he is in the middle of the intersection STUCK because everyone is crossing. And all the time my yelling "HIT ME, HIT ME!!! Your a city bus, make my day!"

    Yesturday it was a Grand Cherokee, and a Chrysler Minivan. The lady had the nerve to beep at me as if I'm the one who did wrong, that's ok... I blocked her, still didn't let her go through and let the only lane continue where someone almost hit her head on.

    No, there's no hostility....
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    In CA, there is a law that might be applicable in other states also. I am not sure of what it is called, but essentially even if a vehicle is running a red light and you with a green light, it is illegal for you to enter the intersection if the scofflaw is busy running the red light. The essential rule is: whoever has the last chance to avoid the accident. While it may be proved that the majority of the fault is with the scofflaw running the red light. You might be apportioned a % of the fault for entering when the intersection is "clogged"; i.e., in this case YOU had the last chance to avoid the accident. :(
  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    Whoops! I just noticed I said 45-50 MPG instead of MPH in my earlier post. He'd have to be out pushing it through the intersection to get 45 mpg.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Happened again to me today...people can't stand being upstaged. Got behind a slow moving Caravan with one of those funky looking lowrider handicapped conversions on a one lane road. Ahead we both were turning on to a faster 2 lane road, so I decide to hit the gas and get around him when I get on to the road. All was fine until I got beside him, then the old fool decides to gun it. Sorry...I may only have 6 cyl moving around 2 tons, but my car can still beat the hell out of yours, old timer. I floored it for a few seconds, and shot past him as he slowed back down. A nice road rage victim he'd be...damn lucky he doesn't live in a big city, pulling a stunt like that.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Found that truckers through Kentucky are really obnoxious, again. Between Louisville and Nashville the truckers were a major pain. They exceded their 65 mph speed limit. They tailgated. They hogged all 3 or especially all two lanes.

    I was tailgated by a FedEx double truck even though the lane in front of me was blocked by two trucks already who felt the left lane had been built for them for 10 miles.

    When he finally passed he then slowed back down to the 70 mph speed limit he follows (trucks and cars speed limit is 65.

    In Ohio we have a 55 speed limit for trucks and 65 for cars. Lobbies have been trying to get that changed. Now I can see same speed for both doesn't work at all. I am contacting my local state representatives to lobby against the same limit for trucks. IT'S NOT SAFE.

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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Small cars?? I mean does finding a small car on the road give a truck the right to tailgate it?? Have had the Focus less than a week and have been tailgated about 20 times. I don't have that problem when I drive the Titan.

    On the bright side, I can smile and know that I'm going a heck of a lot further on a gallon of gas. ;-)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Anti SUV folks consistently say that suvs block their sight lines when they tailgate things such as titans. Of course that is less or no issue in a smalll car! :)
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    well part of it is the upright hatchback. I think it makes it "feel" like people are tailgating more because you don't have the trunk providing buffer space out past the back window. I do swear that I get tailgaited a lot more in the ZX5, but that could be just a psychological thing?
  • tazerelitazereli Member Posts: 241
    I feel your pain but only in the opposite sense. There seems to be no shortage of people that want to tailgate my F150. Whether its on the highway, city streets or twisty two-lane, the idiots still seem to want a 2" ball hitch through the radiator if I have to stop suddenly. Thank God this has happened only once with my old s-10 in college and a newer 3-series that didnt know the meaning of a red light. That ball sure did a number on her radiator and grill. He-He.

    Kyle
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    Being tailgated?

    The Politically Correct way, just let go of the gas and slow down...

    Mine.. Brake check ! Apply one foot on the brake quickly, the other on the accelerator... That should cure it.... :-)
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I had a guy last night in a Chevy dually pulling a trailer tailgating me. He was so close I could only see the Chevy emblem on his grille, if I had to slam on my brakes for a moose I would have had a Chevy butt emblem. Top that off with the fact he would NOT go around, I finally slowed down and he went around.

    My husband drives a 1999 Dodge Ram V10 dually for business and when he's got a load of firewood in it (read: stuff that could come flying out) people insist on tailgating him. I don't get it.

    I'm driving my Titan today, I dare anyone to tailgate me now.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    I've seen some interesting maneuvers here in Miami.

    On one morning commute I saw two stunts occur in a minute or two. The first stunt was a guy in an econobox in front of me in a left hand turn lane. The arrow had been yellow for a few moments. As our hero gets to the intersection, it goes red. Instead of running it like everyone else does around here, he decided to go right. He turned right in front of the other land which was a go straight or turn right lane.

    The second hero was in a Mustang in the center land of a three-lane road going east. He had his turn signal indicating he wanted to get into the right lane. There was a truck there so as I came up behind the Mustang I figured he was trying to move in behind that truck. Nope. He does a U turn across the left lane, through a gap in the divider and heads west.

    I think I need a soundboard in my car now so I can summon the voice of Darth Vader saying "Impressive" every time I see one of these bold maneuvers.
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    Sounds like happenings on Kendall Drive :) We (Miami) rated highest in a research poll of rudest driver's...#3 is pedestrian fatalities, etc.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    Actually it was NW 114th Ave and then NW 41st St.
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    OH that's right around the corner from where I live in Doral Isles. That intersection, and a few blocks down to the turnpike, I call it "twilight zone" because people driving to the turnpike do not know, Which lanes to take for the turnpike. And if it rains, it's a treat alright.
  • tazerelitazereli Member Posts: 241
    I'm going out to get a couple of hoagies for dinner tonight. Now the street in front of my house is one way. I drive about a block from my house only to be encountered with someone coming at me the wrong way. There is no where for this person to go since there is parking on both sides an one lane up the middle. I stop and mr genius
    3-points it around so he's facing the correct way in a parking space. After I pass he proceeds to go in reverse the same direction as before. So I guess its ok to go the wrong way on a one way street as long is you're in reverse!

    Kyle
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    I was on 76, on a 4 lane section heading through Philadelphia yesterday. Right outside center city it splits off into two different highways. Now keep in mind, the two lanes that veer off to the left is where I usually go and it's also moving way more slowly than the portion going to the right. So on days when traffic is flowing freely I see no problem kicking it up 10 mph and using the second lane from the right to pass slower traffic and get back over to the left lanes when it's about to branch off. But I'm always able to do this without cutting anybody else off or changing the traffic pattern.

    When traffic is clogged I stay in the lanes I need to be in and wait patiently, even as traffic flies by on my right going 10-20 mph faster. But SOME idiots will insist anyway on flying by on the two right lanes until the last second just to avoid waiting in line, then coming to a complete stop in their lane right where it splits into two different highways and butting their way in. I actually saw a city bus do this yesterday. But the best part is at first this little red Geo in front of me didn't want to let him in.

    Picture it: four lanes branching off. City bus in second lane from the right trying to bully his way into the second lane from the left. Private tour bus of some sort in the far left lane with little red GEO sandwiched in the middle.

     I guess the private tour bus felt some sort of comraderie or something with the public bus driver. When he saw the Geo wasn't giving ground he veered in front of him from the left to make him stop suddenly and leave space for the Septa bus. I despise normal cars who do this to begin with, rushing to the end, coming to a complete stop in their lane, and then bullying their way in after I got to where I was supposed to be ahead of time and waited patiently in line.

    But I thought two huge vehicles ganging up to bully someone like that was particularly despicable. In general, eveybody likes to think they're civilized, and polite, and high class, but making them wait in a long line is always the number one indicator that really shows you who has class and home training and who doesn't.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    And people wonder why road rage erupts. Those bus drivers have something coming to them
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    in front of a tour bus once on I-395. It was in a really bad spot just coming out of Virginia into DC...tour bus driver decides he's in the wrong lane. Unfortunately, he decides it just as I'm about to pass him. I see his signal go on just as I overtake him...too late.

    So what does he do? Gets a little threatening, tries to squeeze into my lane, as I'm passing him. As soon as I'm past, he puts the high beams on me. So I tap the brakes repeatedly, just enough to make the lights flash but without actually slowing down, my way of saying knock it off. He doesn't, so I gradually slow down.

    Traffic was heavy enough on either side that there was no way he was going aroud me. Probably finally got him down to about 15-20 mph or so, but he never turned off the high beams. I should've brought him down to a complete stop, but figured it wasn't worth the aggravation. Besides, there was an incline coming up, and I know that at his speed, he wouldn't be able to accelerate much.

    Okay, so maybe that was mean of me, but hey, it felt good at the time! ;-) Now normally, I try to give buses and big trucks the benefit of the doubt, and a wide berth, but this guy deserved a lesson teaching and, well, class was in session that evening!
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I see a lot of bad things going on here in the Dayton Ohio area, but I think a lot of what brings them on is the fact that the roads are totally inadequate for the amount of traffic. Two major interstates intersect here, I-70 and I-75. Each interstate needs to be at least 4 lanes in each direction. If one little thing happens where one lane is closed due to an accident or road construction, traffic will come to a complete stop and will be backed up for literally miles. Traffic is absolutely horrible here considering the population. I can understand traffic jams in big cities like LA, Chicago, and New York, but there's really no excuse for traffic to be as bad as it is in a city of just 300K.
  • kmagkmag Member Posts: 98
    Thats just what Columbus was like 10-15 yrs ago.

    Finally some reconstruction got going in the 90's but most of it needed to be done long ago and there are still too many bottlenecks and cloverleaf interchanges from the 60's.

    They are finally planning what to do about the 70/71 split downtown where the two freeways merge for about a mile. That was some brilliant thinking. Lets take two major traffic arteries and put them together for a short distance, and we'll make it only 3 lanes wide. Let's make the people traveling ont I-71 all funnel into a 1 lane exit ramp and make them move over 2 lanes thru the I-70 traffic within a half mile to continue. And, let's make all the westbound I-70 traffic merge down to 1 lane to continue thru. Lets put some exit and entrance ramps into this half mile stretch as well.

    Maybe we need a new topic, inconsiderate traffic engineers...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    whoever came up with the idea of left (i.e., fast/passing) lane exits and on-ramps should be shot on sight, and they should be banned from all interstate and limited access highways!
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    Many highways throughout the nation are completely inadequate for the amount of traffic on todays roadways. Most highways are unchanged from the way they were designed back in the 50's and 60's. Back then they could handle the amount of traffic there was on the roads, but today there are many more vehicles on the highways. Today, where a highway may be 4 lanes each way, it probably needs to be 8 lanes each way. Highways across the nation drastically need to be expanded to handle today's amount of traffic.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    You got other issues than traffic congestion. That's just too durn much traffic.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    ....haven't driven near Chicago lately. That place could use 12 lanes each way.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Sounds like a perfectly good reason to avoid that area, to me! :)
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I agree 100% about left-lane exits on the highway. One of my more hated things in this life. First off, most people expect the exit to be on the right, so when the first sign pops up saying "exit left" (provided the average driver was paying enough attention to notice it) you've got slower traffic waiting to exit trying to get across all the lanes at the last minute.

    Mass chaos and it drags the average speed through that section way down. Then throw in the left-lane entrance and you've got slow traffic trying to merge into the fastest lane. It boggles the mind as to why they do this on highways.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Last year I drove in the Boston, Greater Metro, MA area ., Providence, Newport RI. area. When I had to go to Boston and/or get out, a commute that would have taken 45 min to 1.25 hrs in Los Angeles, CA (considered BAD) during the peak times took 3 hrs!

    In regards to left turn off lanes. It is almost a total fact of life in Los Angeles to have left, left turn off lanes. Some places have multiple separate destinations left turn off lanes. Add to that multiple destination right turn off lanes... fun!
  • tornado25tornado25 Member Posts: 267
    A lot of the left lane exits are add ons...ramps stuck in after the main arterial was constructed in the 60s or whenever and now, oops, here's a 10000 car/day primary surface street. So the left lane exit appears.

    The reconstruction of the Marquette Interchange in downtown Milwaukee (where I94, I43 and I794 all meet) is designed to, in addition to keeping overpasses from falling down, eliminate all left lane exits. Lovers of left lane exits need not fret, however, as there is still is a beloved exit on WB I94 for the Miller Park.

    It is the most obvious way for out-of-towners to access the primary parking lots for the Park and it's very, very odd, considering the state's donation to the building of the Park was $50M or so in infrastructure construction...most of which was basically moving an entire section of US 41. I imagine those who live in Milwaukee know of much easier ways to get there. I can get around Milwaukee, but none immediately come to mind.
  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    Sounds like the time I "accidentally" drug my key down the side of a car parked just like that. They were parked right over the line in a crowded hospital parking lot. Wouldn't be that bad but they were right next to the stairs.

    Keying a car because you don't like the way someone parked is about as cowardly an act as there is. Besides that it is criminal. It is a form of vigilante justice. Attend an anger management class instead.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    They were parked right over the line in a crowded hospital parking lot.
     Attend an anger management class instead.

    The space hog needs parking school. The upset space hunter doesn't need anger management.

    If a proud owner wants to park far away from the store entrance and park their "baby" in two spaces where visitors/customers don't usually park, that's one thing. If they don't want to park properly in a crowded area, take a cab.

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  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    I am not trying in any way to justify the actions of the "space hog". I am saying that the appropriate response to this is NOT to key the persons car. That is sociopathic behavior. I am also bothered when I see people taking up multiple spaces in a crowed lot. I do not, however, respond by keying their car. I park somewhere else and go on with my day without committing a misdemeanor.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    Unfortunately, heavily populated areas can't always be avoided. Ever try to travel from Ohio to Wisconsin without going around Chicago? Can't be done.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Good reason not to go there also! :)
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    I'm beginning to seriously wonder how long driving will be an "activity". I'm not worried that the government will mandate computer-controlled pods; I'm worried that computer-controlled pods will be the only practical way to shuttle ourselves place to place. This thread shows what happens when the roads fill up with people who don't want to be on them. I think when I'm old enough to afford the car I want, there won't be a point to it anymore.

    (sorry about the strange post)
  • andyman73andyman73 Member Posts: 322
    We all know who the worst offenders are. It's not the truckers, or tour bus drivers, or the "silverhairs", it's the SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS! How many of us have had run ins with these characters? Come on raise your hands, hey, I see you over there, get your hand up!!! We all have experienced the " I'm driving kids so that makes me right," attitude.

    I had to quit driving a particularly enjoyable stretch of road because of school buses cutting the corners across the center line, and running me off the shoulder. And this is on a 35mph posted road! They stop in the middle of a two lane road, which they aren't supposed to do. I'
    ve had them run red lights, even after the opposite has gone green. I had one stop oncoming traffic, to let another out of a side street, cutting me off. There were kids on the bus, I could see their little faces bunched up in horrer, as I repaved the road with my tires, so I wouldn't hit them. They are constantly speeding on the roads, makes you wonder if they are off duty cops. I think my kids will be getting the "parents taxi service."

    My father kept a ball on the hitch of his full size Dodge Van. It earned it's keep by repelling offenders. He said he never stopped for any incidents that may have happened, but he knows that he indirectly altered the front end of a handful of cars. Said most of the impacts weren't severe enough to warrant his attention. It was a wonderful frame mounted tow hitch, so the steel chrome bumper never showed any usage.

    What about those yo yos who leave their turn signal on for miles, and even make opposite direction turns or lane changes? Makes you want to pull in front of them and return the favor.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I would reply but it's really not worth the keystrokes.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I've been noticing more and more people pulling up to an intersection, and instead of stopping on or behind the white line, they'll stop with the front end of their vehicle sticking so far out into the lane of traffic that you actually have to swing over a lane to avoid hitting them. What's up with this crap? These are the times I wish I had a '72 Caddy and I could just take off their front bumper!
  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    That's really too bad because I would love to hear your explanation of how keying someone's car and causing them hundreds of dollars in damage is justification for parking in more than one space. It does not seem to me that the punishment fits the crime. (Not that you are in any position to make that determination in the first place.)
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  • pat84pat84 Member Posts: 817
    My brother and I had just finished our dinner, when someone knocked on our door. A stranger who looked gray, said he was having a heart attack and would we finish driving him to the hospital. I got in his car and did my best to set the land speed record to the hospital about 5 miles away. My brother followed in his car.
      I parked his car as close to the emergency room as possible. I gave him his keys, and started walking him in. I got him about 2 feet inside and the staff grabbed him away from me immediately.
      I went out to meet my brother for the drive home. That's when I noticed I had parked his car mostly in one of the spaces reserved for MD's - definitly not my best parking job.
       Maybe some cowardly low-life keyed his car
     `
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I am not trying in any way to justify...

    I understand your point.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I believe it's some people's lack of perception of distance. If their body isn't in the intersection, they're not blocking it. I.e., they don't realize the front of their car sticks out into the crossing lane of traffic.

    I have stopped to wait for some lady driver to back up so her car isn't sticking out into my lane on a multilane street around Dayton.
    Sorry to the lady drivers who can tell the fact that the car sticks out 7 feet ahead of their steering wheel, but it is usually ladies who do this. Occasionally a pushy male in a hurry does it too.

    Twenty-five years ago I got a long Lincoln Town Car a State Patrol ticket when he stuck his front end out into a narrow state highway at a T-intersection east of Cincinnati. I was being followed by a Trooper on his way to the post and this car had its front end two feet over the yellow line. I slowed down to a crawl and moved past him without crossing into the oncoming traffic lane. The Trooper courteously waved for him to pull on out onto the highway. Then he turned on his lights. I suspect the guy had been inbibing a little and ruined his depth perception.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    In some cases the paths of the roads are determined by local politicians and investors rather than by highway engineers. In Dayton the curving interstate perched along the river was placed there because politicians who had purchased land wanted it placed to benefit them rather than go through with the least amount of traffic friction.

    They fight over bypasses that could have been built long ago to benefit them or their friends in politics rather than getting bypasses built to alieviate the heavier traffic on three lane portions of the interstate. Dayton should have a diamond of bypasses done now, but only has one side in place. Part of the problem is at the state level politics.

    When I lived east of Cincinnati the land had been bought up around the proposed path of the circle freeway by investors 'close' to the governor and his party. When the freeway was done, the developing started to their benefit.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I almost took out an early 80's Monte Carlo with my '68 Dart when the old bag driving it pulled that stunt with me. I was making a left turn on green, and this woman pull up to her red light, and stops well beyond the line...and has the nerve to HONK at me!!

    Well, I stopped, threw it in reverse, and told her she was too far over the line and needed to back up. She used a few choice words with me, which naturally, I felt compelled to shoot back. I was delivering pizzas at the time.

    See now, why my company preferred it when I DIDN'T drive with a sign on my roof! ;-)

    One day in DC, I was walking with some friends, and a Crown Vic cab pulled up to the red light, right into the crosswalk, as I was in it! Actually he would've hit me if I hadn't been paying attention. I ended up jumping up onto his hood!
  • tornado25tornado25 Member Posts: 267
    "Ever try to travel from Ohio to Wisconsin without going around Chicago? Can't be done."

    It can. Simply drive north through Lower MI and the UP. Of course, it depends on where you're going, but I'll give a real life example. I go to the NASCAR race at Michigan Intl Speedway, which is in Brooklyn, MI. I live 30 mi north of Green Bay, WI. It is nearly an equivalent amount of time to drive north through the UP of MI, over the bridge and south through Lower Michigan compared to driving south through WI, around the southern tip of Lake Michigan and east to Brooklyn. This year, we are going south because we plan on going through Chicago at 4am.

    Or you could take the ferry from central Lower Michigan to east central Wisconsin. Saves something like 4 hours.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    These parking spaces were on the second floor in the regular parking deck. Clearly marked "compact car only". So the scenario in post 2978 is irrelevant.

    I won't try to justify it. Especially to someone who thinks it's okay to push people out of the way to get on the freeway.
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