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The CVT is the best feature of this vehicle. It feels different from a conventional auto so it might take some getting used to. It is very smooth. It holds speed going downhill. It is a very good match to the engine and both work very well together. If there is one downside is that it is not fast off the line. For the initial few seconds it seems that it is going slow, but it picks up speed very quickly and so smooth that it is difficult to tell how fast you are really going. Merges unto freeways fine. Once on the road passing gear is great. If you step down on the accelarator all the way it will really move out.
As far as what model to get, I would make a list of the options that are most important to you and then shop for whatever car is available (or order one) that best suits your needs/wants for the price you are willing to pay. In my case I ended up with a Limited since the price for what I wanted came very close to an equivalent SEL. You may find the same thing.
I am not worried about Ford ending the Freestyle. My take is that we are getting a lot of vehicle for the money. Many parts come from the Volvo and from Europe (chassis & Haldex AWD) so the lower value of the dollar has hurt Ford profit margins. I think they will move the best feaures of the Freestyle to a higher end model. That is only my opinion, but if it is true we are getting a bargain.
Good luck shopping and don't take any BS from the sales guys. Come here to get any questions answered. Contrary to what they say the car and the deal will be there tomorrow.
Folks:
I have seen this question/comment many times on this forum. I feel compelled to put this to rest.
Ford is NOT planning to discontinue the Freestyle. However, Ford is planning to upgrade/change the engine for the 2007 model year. Ford is reacting to the loud criticism received from the automotive press regarding the "lack of engine power".
The only "lack of engine power" that I can see is the "off the line" power. Perhaps an aftermarket chip will come out to tweak a little more torque in the lower rpms?
Although, I wonder what that would do to the variable cones on the CVT. Would too much torque from a dead stop lead to premature wear? That's hard to believe after experience the "kick" that comes during passing maneuvers on the highway.
Either way, I think some mod chip could create a happy medium. Perhaps just a faster ramp-up during accel. from a stop. Ford? Are you listening? A mild tweaking of the CVT software please?
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This is wholly separate from the 3.5L engine upgrade, which also will appear in the Five Hundred/Montego, but not til Model Year 2008...
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The next thing you know we'll be seeing those blue runway lights deployed on I-15!
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First 165 miles - 21.1 mpg. I was getting a little over 26 according to the info center but hit a major traffic jam due to a tanker truck fire and spent about an hour and a half going roughly 5 miles in 97 degree heat. The vehilce never missed a beat in those conditions. No overheating, etc. and the air conditioner kept the car a very comfortable 72 degrees. Couldn't ask for anything more. All door windows were recently tinted to the legal limits of Indiana.
Next 302 miles - 24.1 mpg. Not a real good test for mpg mileage since we went through a major roadblock on I-70 due to road construction near Columbus, OH shortly after fill-up and again spent another hour or more creaping along for 10 or so miles literally parked on the interstate. This leg of the trip took us up into the mountains of PA north of Somerset if you are familiar with PA.
176 miles of driving around PA for a week - very hilly stop and go stuff in a small city gave us 17.0 mpg. I'm not sure I would opt for this vehicle to be an "everyday-driver" in that area due to those mileage figures.
First 246 miles of return trip - 27.3 mpg! Yeah, it's all downhill from the hills of PA into the flatlands of Ohio, but I was pretty impressed. And, the outside temp was a delightful 70 degrees, no wind, beautiful sunshiny day so the air was not working all that hard, if at all.
Last 220 miles - 23.1 mpg. A 12 mile backup due to road construction at the Indiana - Ohio border that took an hour and 15 minutes to get through messed up my hopes for a real good look at actual mileage figures for the total return trip. And, it got hot in the Midwest again. 90+ degrees so the air was working overtime.
Overall, the vehicle preformed flawlessly and is a truly great people hauler. I used 49.1 gallons to go those 1107.7 mles for and average of 22.55 mpg. (That hilly driving in PA and those traffic jams wil getcha!!!)
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Is this normal during the early break in , or was the computer not reset properly during the factory fill. For those of you who have had several oil changes what kind of oil life readings would your computer show at the recommended 3000 mile oil change interval or beyond that point.
I intend to follow Ford's maintenance schedule using the Motorcraft 5W-20 say for the next 2 years to stay within warranty, then upgrade to a pure synthetic for an extended OCI (oil change interval) for around 6000 miles or 9 months.
Just wondering how the oil life monitor will respond to the extended period since it cannot distinguish between different quality of oils or is it based on some time/distance algorithm. Is there a way to recalibrate the OLM to give me a fairly accurate reading. :confuse:
Maybe the oil % increases rather than decreases? It means how much of the oil life you have used, rather than how much you have remaining? That would put oil at 100% of its life around 3750 miles.
This is not true. I've had "oil life" indicators on several of my cars in the last several years, mostly in GM cars. The system takes account of mileage, engine operating temperature, and total revolutions to come up with a formula to predict when oil changes should be made. It is not a linear "countdown," and doesn't depend only on mileage. The idea is to SAVE oil and money by not changing it as often as 3,000 miles. Heck, the owner's manual itself says that oil changes are not needed any more often than at 5,000 mile intervals. It is not a gimmick to try to get you to change your oil more often.
In all of the vehicles I have owned, including my Freestyle, the oil life indicator should be reset to 100% (it counts DOWN from 100, not up from zero, to answer a question in a previous post) after every oil change. If you take the car to a Ford dealer, they should reset it for you as part of the oil change, but they often forget. Resetting it is as simple as holding in the reset button on the speedometer for at least 3 seconds when the oil life is displayed.
I have found that, by the time I reach 3,000 miles, which is when I like to have the oil changed, the indicator will usually be down to about 50 or 60%, and I've never seen it go below about 35% before having the oil changed. I don't think anything "happens" if you let it get to 0%, but the owner's manual warns you to change your oil at least once a year. Based on my own experiences, I would say that, if you did let the oil life indicator reach zero or nearly zero every time before having the oil changed, you'd be having it done, on average, about every six months.
The Ford ones on these vehicles merely count off 5,000 miles, regardless of other conditions, and convert the number of miles left into a fraction of oil life, which you to can do by dividing the number of miles left by 50. That is ALL the Ford one does.
When you have 3000 mles exactly left, the oil life indicator should show 60 percent oil life left...if it was properly reset.
I try to change my oil every 3000 miles regardless, so I find the oil life warning pretty useless. To be honest, the only feature in the "information center" I have any use for is the MPG calculation. I think all vehicles should be required to display MPG at all times. It would save a lot of gas.
Since I have said that I was planning for longer OCI's after the break-in period with the pure synthetic I would expect to obtain oil life readings fairly close to what dgulino stated above.I also believe I have a better understanding of GM's OLM which is calibrated to the current GF-4 oil standard , the engine operations, as well as the depletion level of the anti-wear additives.That appears to be a hell of a lot more sophisticated than the OLM (or basic oil counter) on the Freestyle.
I also realize that our OLM is merely a" Reminder" feature and that I can reset my incorrect reading to whatever personal oil life level to suit my next OCI. My only concern is to what limit is the Freestyle's OLM set to for the draw down... is it 3000 mi, 5000 mi, or ?? Wish Ford would have put in something like GM's OLM which not only provides a fairly accurate predicted oil status at the same time allowing for a good safety margin.The GM version is based on using the recommended conventional motor oil and of course if a good synthetic is used the safety margin is even greater.
Still love our Freestyle, it's a great vehicle, but it's also not perfect.
Hmmm....
I've got 18,000k on my SEL. I'm seeing more and more of them around -- well, that's relative -- I'll see maybe two in a week or so. That's okay. I think that Ford discounts are making them a little more attractive. Maybe a few more Expeditions and Explorers will be traded in with the recent gas spike. That's what got me into my Freestyle and I couldn't be happier.
Since I prefer to do my own oil changes (heaven forbid going to Jiffy Lube),I am even hesitant to let my Ford dealer do this as there is always some element of doubt what the proper viscosity oil they are drawing from the big oil drum. I agree with some other comments about the short 3000 mi. service interval but initially I will stick to that only because of meeting the warranty requirements.
I have a lot of confidence in Ford's Fuels and Lubricants Engineering for specifying the latest WSS-M2C930-A standard using the thinner 5W-20 oil under the strict sequence III G test which not only provides better lubrication but also an improvement in emissions.Both Ford and Honda are leading the way in promoting the 5W-20 oil and hopefully other mfrs will follow so that the product will be more readily available.
I am still not fully sure about the Freestyle message center oil life as my first thought is that there is that linear drawdown reading by distance travelled. This a.m. I drove an extra 100 miles and the before/after reading still stayed at 32%.If we assumed the 5000 mi.setting then the reading would have dropped to 30%?. Perhaps there are other factors included in this obscure software.
I am also not an oil geek .However, I still like to have some small control over the engine's performance by changing my own oil & filters.And the quality of today's motor oils are by far so superior there is no reason not to go beyond the "old" 3000 mi. standard.Way about time to put the screws back on OPEC.
Just a little extra wishful thinking is for Ford to give their lubricants engineers more freedom to develop a true OLM (hint: put some kind of sensor in the oil pan for a periodic realtime reading ) enhanced by improved software rather than this gimmicky beancounter version.That's just a wild idea but then what do I really know? :confuse:
I can get a base SEL with no options for $23.9K. I can get a SE with the Convenience Group & Side Air for $23.6K. I don't care much about the 6 disc CD player. Of course I could go all out and get a loaded SEL for $26.7, but I like eating, so that's out.
I have one more dealer stop to make and should be buying on Saturday. Thanks to everyone for their input. You've all been a huge help!
Of course, we all know that there is no perfect world, and we also know that todays lubricants have ways to lubrucate unlike oils of yesteryear.
My suggestion is change it as often as you like while keeping the manufacturers specs in mind. It WON'T hurt to change it more often, but it MAY hurt it if you change it less often. Just make sure the oil is disposed of properly.
personally, I'm in the "change it every 5000 miles" boat.
We've just run out of stuff to talk about.
For awhile it was what to call the Freestyle...SUV, wagon, etc.
And there doesn't seem to be anything to complain about. No engines blowing, no service bulletin announcements.
My only complaint is that I bought mine before the employee pricing plan. (nitro starts banging his head against the desk again)
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ok, a legitimate compaint. Still no factory mudflaps! (yawn)
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Has anyone seen a 2006 at their local dealer yet?
Especially like to hear reviews about the seat comfort from those that have taken long trips in their Freestyles.
I did fight a bit with the headrest. It tilted my head too far forward in my opinion, until I found a better, lower position for it. I am ready to make the same trip again in a week or so. May have additional feedback after I return. :shades:
My cloth seats are very comfortable. I'm 6' 3" and have no problem with the fit. The ride is steady and level. My wife can read or sleep in comfort as the miles go by.
Front seats are at the perfect height for easy in and out; just swivel your rear end to get in and swivel your legs to get out. Second row bench seats are comfortable according to my wife and daughter who ride there on occasion. Third row bench works fine for my grandchildren - but they don't really care.
I recommend the Freestyle as great value for the money. It's a wonderful trip car.
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I'm waiting to order one with the options and colors I want but even the dealer isn't sure what the changes are for '06 so he said he would call me when the new brochures come in. Still waiting...
Now my wife has major issues with the head rest/restraint. She complains that it pushes her head too far forward (she has a fairly deep head) and it does not adjust for tilt. If anyone knows of a replacement headrest that works in a Freestyle please let me know!
the bottom cushions should be one inch longer, but in general, i am pretty comfortable when driving. The buckets in the 2nd row are superior to the bench which lacks lateral support.
now before you jump all over me ladies....that can be taken as a insult AND a compliment
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Have a great weekend all!
These DRL's have the regular headlights on about 1/2 ? strength during the day. Of course
you have to put the regular lights on when it gets dark!!! I have yet to change a headlight.
My advice on oil changes is read the manual and then decide what is best in YOUR
circumstances. I drove 30,000 miles a year on my 1995 for 5 years. I changed it about every
4 months
Yep, check out:
Engine Oil - A slippery subject Part 2
and
Synthetic motor oil
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" DETROIT -- As it juggles plans for new crossovers and minivan replacements, Ford Motor Co. intends to drop the existing version of its Ford Freestyle sport wagon.
But the Freestyle name will survive, Ford officials say."