Ford Freestyle - Taurus X

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  • tourist1234tourist1234 Member Posts: 30
    When we were on vacation last summer we were loaded up for 2 weeks of vagabounding around the SE. While the Freestyle was not fully loaded (not towing trailer or boat or roof carrier) we had quite a bit (3 passengers, 2 weeks of stuff and some camping gear) in the car. Unfortunately when we were accelerating on long upgrades to pass semis and such I never looked down at the RPMs. That alone tells me that they probably were not revving very high. If they were it would have caught my attention. I also do not recall the interior of the Freestyle getting unusually noisy because of the engine or CVT.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    That's what I thought. Again, it's just the perception of the Freestyle being underpowered by those who never drove it for extended periods of time. Plus "underpowered" is a pretty subjective statement. I think people who are saying that the Freestyle is underpowered are those people or car reviewers who just take the car for a quick spin around the block and aren't used to to the CVT, which doesn't have the initial "kick" off the line. I know in my 3.0 V6 Cougar, it runs at about 3000RPM at 70MPH, while the Freestyle does 70mph at only 2000RPM, so I think the comments about the Freestyle running noisy and at high RPMs isn't accurate. I've had it loade with 5 pass & luggage going from Virginia to Ohio through West Virginia, and never had a power or noise issue.
  • sj freebiesj freebie Member Posts: 22
    Welcome to the forum.

    We went from a 92 Ranger to our Freestyle last January and haven't looked back. Our Ranger has (we actually kept it) the 3.0 liter engine with 145 hp. Going to the 203 hp Duratec was an upgrade to us. Never felt that the Freestyle is underpowered.

    By the way, my '69 Mach I is at the paint shop getting completely stripped, fixed and repainted Corvette Victory Red. I'll put the interior back in this winter.

    Regards.
  • kelru2000kelru2000 Member Posts: 5
    I have to agree with what others have said. I moved from a Subaru Legacy Wagon and I think the Freestyle has much more power than my old car ever did. I have felt very comfortable passing uphill in the mountains with a full load. It zips right around other cars when passing as well.

    It is truly a matter of perspective; after all the Freestyle was never designed to be a high performance vehicle. It is great at what it does and, thank goodness, I didn't have to get a full-fledged minivan!
  • nitromaxnitromax Member Posts: 640
    By the way, my '69 Mach I is at the paint shop getting completely stripped, fixed and repainted Corvette Victory Red. I'll put the interior back in this winter.

    :shades:
  • prettyslick65prettyslick65 Member Posts: 7
    The Freestyle will be a step up for me also. My Ranger has the 2.9l v6 and I never had any issues with it's power. If you look at most of the feed back on this board it looks like there are alot of other members in agreement that the Freestyle has no lack of power issues. As you said it's just a perception. I'm looking forward to a smooth comfortable riding vehicle. I've outgrown the rigid feel of the truck. BTW, I'll be selling the Ranger to my mom at a good price. At least I'll see it hit 200,000. As for my 69 Mach1, after 6 years of work on a budget, all that needs to be done is body work, paint and the interior. Hopefully it will be complete this time next year.
    I'm looking foward to test driving the Freestyle on Friday. The only thing that upsets me is that I don't think I will find exactly what I want on the dealership lot. I've been searching dealership inventory for weeks now and there are few that even come close. I hate the thought of waiting, but I do plan on keeping it for another 15 years so I definetly want to get exaclty what I want. It always seems to me that the inventory on the lots seem to have all or none when it comes to options, etc. Nothing in between.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Member Posts: 468
    I own and like my Freestyle, and i have driven quite a few of them. I never said it couldn't make the hills or even implied that. Its powertrain is responsive and very smooth. But, even though i am an owner and fan, i agree with all the professional testers about carrying heavy weights up mountains and about noise levels at the high rpms to do that. Let's be fans and supporters, but let's not be unrealistic or excessively defensive. Any AWD vehicle weighing over two tons with a heavy load with only 207 lbs of torque is going to be working pretty hard. I stand by my opinion- it is well supported by extensive driving and lots of professional evaluation. Long live the Freebie. I also have a Ford with a 3.8 V6 and a Marquis with a V8. The Freestyle is my favorite.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    Then since you own one and have experience, what was the RPM when you were going up hill and towing a couple of tons? If you don't recall, then next time check it out and let us know. Just set the cruise to 70mph, take it up the mountain, and write down the RPM. At least that way there will be some facts to go along with your opinion. Mostly I'm just curious. It just bugs me when anyone, professional or not, makes a statement about it being underpowered with nothing to back it up.
  • willie19willie19 Member Posts: 139
    Appreciate your comments, Bruneau. They appear to be a pretty good evaluation of the Freebie's performance on fairly steep uphill runs.A heavy load of course will have some effect on increased noise level as well as the limitation on the 3.0L Duratec.

    There is no point in getting into some useless argument re specific rpm's/full load situations as this can be very subjective as it applies to each individual case.You have the FWD, myself and others have the AWD, some small difference there as well as total passenger weight and other loaded goods. It's much ado about nothing.

    The Freestyle is just a great family car. Nothing more. We are very satisfied with the Freebie and that's the bottom line. ;)
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    The reason I asked about the RPMs was not to argue, but because some people have posted high RPMs (2000RPM at 70mph seems to be the norm), so if Bruneau is getting unusually high RPMs and noise, then there may be a problem with his CVT. ANY vehicle will increase their RPM & noise somewhat if they go up a mountain with a heavy load, it's a matter of the degree, so that's why it's good to get specific.

    Here's a previous post on high RPMs and the solution:
    "Re: Tranny Issue [jpc99] by jpc99
    I got the car back today and it appears that the two issues were related. Since I had a bad ABS sensor this was causing issues for the CVT. According to service there are speed sensors in the ABS system that feed info to CVT."
  • blue05blue05 Member Posts: 42
    I am not a professional but here are the facts . The FWD has a 5.19 drive ratio which will explain why MPG's are better (lower rpm's ) compared to the AWD's 5.54 drive ratio this is need to compensate for the awd system and its weight .
  • prettyslick65prettyslick65 Member Posts: 7
    I agree with Willie19. The Freestyle seems to be great at what it is. I think that it will suit my needs just fine. If I felt I needed a vehicle with with more power and torque I would be looking at something that fit that bill more. I'm not planning on doing any heavy halling etc, so I'm not in need of anymore than what the Freestyle offers. I think Ford gives consumers a great range of vehicles to choose from that would fit many peoples needs for utility, power, comfort and convienance. Tomorrow is the day. Hopefully I will be driving home in my new Freestyle :)
  • northlakesnorthlakes Member Posts: 368
    And it could be worse. How about a 4450 pound Chrysler Pacifica with 210 horsepower, 3.8 liter engine and standard automatic transmission?

    Having the CVT's wider "gear" ratio of 5.xx:1 provides more torque multiplication than a 4.xx:1 automatic transmission, putting more of the 203 Freestyle horsepower on the ground, where it belongs. :shades:
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Member Posts: 468
    Mine works perfectly as designed, nothing unusual for the vehicle. Buy one, but respect its limitations and you will be happy. Listen to Willie. The new 3.5 at Ford comes out next fall and looks like a nice engine. Not for the Freestyle yet. Quel dommage.
  • saramsaram Member Posts: 34
    I am not a happy camper. Went to the post office and when I come out I notice that my bumper is pushed out in an area. Look at it further and there is a big black streak and dent down from the drivers side rear tire wrapping around the rear bumper. Rear bumper is cracked slightly. Wheel well plastic is broken. The only thing I can figure since no one seen it or the nasty mean driver of the other vehicle didn't stick around is that who ever backed out of the parking place on the left of me cut his wheels before clearing the rear of my vehicle. Tire scrap, denting and then pushing my bumper out. Got one estimate to repair ($1,390.00) have to get a second estimate since the body shop was not on their "preferred" list of body shops. Do that tomorrow. I cannot beleive people can be so stupid and rude.
    :cry:
  • saramsaram Member Posts: 34
    I forgot to tell you guys that I printed out the copy of the TSB radio/cd player report that you guys sent me the link to. When I took my car last week to have the oil changed I gave it to the mechanic and they got my backlights working in no time. The mechanic told me if they send me a survey on the serice to add a comment on it that they should send all mechanics to new car training. I guess this is something Ford has cut back on but he said if they had new car training on the vehicle he would have known more about the issues.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    How often would I have to change the oil on this one Willie. Still every 1000 miles?
  • willie19willie19 Member Posts: 139
    Why don't you be the first to buy it and be the guinea pig? ;)
    Maybe dump the "dirty" factory fill immediately? :confuse:
    Sometimes those assembly workers may leave part of their lunch in it. ;)
  • nitromaxnitromax Member Posts: 640
    I went to the dealer for my "first service" on my SEL today and inquired if Ford has an installation kit for the heated seats that are found in the Limited. (up until now the only option for heated seats were aftermarket versions)

    The service guy made a quick call to the Ford resource center and was told that a "kit" is coming out SOON and to call back next week for details on price and availability. And since it is the OEM heated seats, they will be identical to the Limited version (in-dash switches) and be covered under the Ford warranty.

    I will update everyone next week after I call them back.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    Very interesting. I can't imagine adding this feature to existing seats. Is this going to involve replacing the seats that came with the car?
  • gteegtee Member Posts: 179
    Ford has announced that the new 3.5 engine will come with the new 6 speed transmission developed with GM. What will happen to the CVT transmission? The Fusion only comes with a 6 speed, the 500 will use the new 6 speed in 2007.

    So what will happen to the CVT. Does this mean that Ford developed the CVT and only used in on SOME 500s and Freestyle for 2 years? Why Ford did not use the CVT on Fusion? It seems that it cost a bunch of money to develop something as complicated as a CVT and only use it for two years. What will happen to all of the people who purchased a Freestyle with a CVT? Will CVT be discontinued at the end of 2006?

    If CVT was such a great idea, why Ford did not announce that the new 3.5 engine will be mated to a CVT. Are there some real problems with a CVT that it will be discontinued after only 2 years? I know that GM had all sorts of problems with CVT, and now Ford is discontinuing the CVT after only two years. It does not look good for CVT or the people who bought cars with CVT.
  • northlakesnorthlakes Member Posts: 368
    You are asking a lotta lotta of questions (as Rosanne Rosannadanna would say). Regarding your third paragraph, here are a couple of comments:

    1) CVTs came from a world of lower powered engines. The 3.5 L Duratec may have crossed the torque capability of the existing Ford CVT design. It should be noted that the Nissan Murano uses a CVT for the Murano and the engine does put out 250 HP. It should be noted that the six-speed transmission in the 500 was not given top marks for finding the right gear and smoothness by the car magazines.

    2) GM had all sorts of problems with their CVT because they used a "fabric belt", not steel links like in the Freestyle CVT. If GM codesigned the new 6 speed automatic, I hope they did not use the same design people as with the GM CVT.

    3) The CVT (IMHO) will live on (at least for the 3.0 L Duratec) in the Mercury version of the Freestyle.

    4) The Ford CVT probably cost more to produce than the new 6 speed. Money motivates Detroit.

    5) "What will happen to all of the people who purchased a Freestyle with a CVT?" I will have had my Freestyle with CVT for one year as of December 1st with zero issues. I expect the same for the next ten years or so. :shades:
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    The CVT will power other vehicles, possibly a Focus. When the cost of developing it is amortized, then you will begin to see them in lower segment vehicles.

    The development of the CVT wasn't a waste, the majority of the units are being shipped for units in Fords in Europe.
  • kb540iakb540ia Member Posts: 12
    Well, I finally found out where my 06 AWD Freebie is, it was built Oct 18th so I have been anxiously waiting for delivery. Well, I have been told that it was pulled for a "quality inspection" and was delayed a few days before shipment. The interesting thing is after further digging I found out that they pull a car off from time to time and have all of the engineers look over every square inch of the car. If there are any problems they are noted and fixed. I guess there were a few things to fix as the car is still "in transit".

    So, with all of the engineers looking at every aspect of my car, I would assume it should run forever!

    We'll soon see!
  • nitromaxnitromax Member Posts: 640
    Very interesting. I can't imagine adding this feature to existing seats. Is this going to involve replacing the seats that came with the car?

    probably not.
    The heated seats in the Limited are not any different than the SEL and SE, they just have the heat pads installed.I would imagine it will be the same as any aftermarket seat heater:
    -take the seat out and remove the hog rings that hold the seat covering underneath the seat.
    -slide the heating pads into their respective "heat zones" and put the seat covers back on.
    -add the seat control switches to the dash panel and wire them up.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    Great! Keep us posted on this if you will. (Especially if you have it done.)
  • prettyslick65prettyslick65 Member Posts: 7
    I am now a proud owner of a 2006 Freestyle SEL AWD, Redfire Metallic, shale leather int, Comfort and safety packages. I test drove a Silver Frost Freestyle and my first impression of the car was good. I went to the dealership knowing I really wanted a Redfire Metallic SEL. They didn't have any on the lot, so they are doing a dealer trade. I will be picking it up tonight. I'm very excited. I also test drove a V8 Explorer and have to say I didn't like it from the beginning. I no longer want to have to hoist myself up into my car which is what I had to do in the Explorer. Although I do admit I liked the feel and power of the V8, over all I was extremely uncomfortable in it. I felt the total opposite in the Freestyle. Very comfortable and I loved the smooth ride. The power was absolutely fine for me. I love everything about it and hope to get many years out of it like I did my Ranger. The Freestyle is everything I expected it to be based on my personal needs. Hopefully my dog will enjoy the climate control too.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    Anymore info on the below question, as I have an SE and I'd like to add the memory seat function if possible.

    "I don't know if this at all doable, but does anyone know if a non LTD Freestyle can be retrofited with the memory feature for the seats? I know that the LTD has a door mounted switch that allows two drives to have separate settings for the drivers seat, mirrors and pedals. I have a SEL and was just wondering if the driver's door might already be wired up for the controller. Just add the controller and you're ready to go? Of course, the SEL doesn't have adjustable pedals, but the memory seats would be way cool. Thanks"
  • damianinpadamianinpa Member Posts: 22
    I just picked up my Freestyle. I read an article that said Pioneer makes it and it would be Sirius Satellite ready. Well, the dealer says 'no'. He checked with service and they don't have a tuner for it and it isn't satellite ready. Anyone know for sure??? I might just buy the FM modulater, but, if I can run it through the main unit, that would be better. If you search on the internet under pioneer Ford Navigation, the article will appear and it says 'sirius ready'. Any help on this is appreciated.
  • jpetruzzojpetruzzo Member Posts: 9
    Does the plastic cover for the metal bracket the 2nd row console bolts to have a part number on it?

    My Ford dealer's parts counter can't find a listing for it.

    Thanks
  • tisaacstisaacs Member Posts: 2
    Is Ford going to counter the GM Red Tag promotion?

    I'm ready to buy !
  • sj freebiesj freebie Member Posts: 22
    Fortunately I still have that cover out in the garage. The numbers molded on it are:

    5F93-74674A00-A GW
    1
    DGFUA 5029

    There is also a paper tag with the number 1201221

    My part is the shale color. Hope this helps. Did you remove your rear console, or just need a replacement for the cover? There will be a couple of other holes in the carpet not hidden by the cover.
  • bigred13bigred13 Member Posts: 25
    I too would be anxious to know if it is possible. I'm 6'2" and my wife is 5'6". We don't care about the pedals but it would be nice for the seats. it was faster having the manual lever to move the drivers seat back and forth. Waiting for the electric one is really bugging me.

    I suppose that if that's all I'm concerned with, I probably shouldn't be complaining. HA!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "GM's announcement is expected to trigger a new round of price cuts across the industry."

    Inside Line

    Steve, Host
  • tourist1234tourist1234 Member Posts: 30
    >>was faster having the manual lever to move the drivers seat back and forth. Waiting for the electric one is really bugging me. <<

    The nice thing about having the memory settings is that when I unlock the car with my remote the seat, mirrors and pedal all move to my settings. I don't need to adjust anything. So it seems quicker than doing it manually to me.
  • brettkaufmanbrettkaufman Member Posts: 3
    #3 -- what Mercury product is this?

    I test drove the SE and really was an interesting trans -- I thought it had plenty of power.

    thanks
  • brettkaufmanbrettkaufman Member Posts: 3
  • northlakesnorthlakes Member Posts: 368
    Mercury is reportedly getting a 2007 MY crossover vehicle based on the current Freestyle platform. A Mercury concept vehicle code named the Meta One was seen in a number of car magazines and at the Mercury site.

    http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/metaone/default.asp

    A number of design features from the Meta One are expected to make it into the production vehicle. :shades:
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    One year before it starts hitting the marketplace, as a 2007 model.
  • vgumbatzvgumbatz Member Posts: 6
    It looks like there's a recall for the Freestyle. A while back, I setup my car in the 'myford.fordvehicles.com' website. When I checked it today, I had the message: "FIVE HUNDRED, MONTEGO, FREESTYLE FUEL TANK STRAPS Recall Code: 05S37"

    Time to schedule some time with service . . .
  • tourist1234tourist1234 Member Posts: 30
    Hey...thanks for the heads up. I checked my Ford email. I have the same recall message.
    John
  • northlakesnorthlakes Member Posts: 368
    It appears the recall affects Freestyle produced from January, 2005 on. We early adopters (September - December, 2004) will not get a recall notice. A separate article (which I can't find now) mentioned the January, 05 date as the start point for the recall. :shades:

    " separate recall caused by the separation of fuel tank straps involves more than 123,000 Ford Freestyle crossover vehicles, Ford Five Hundred sedans and Mercury Montego vehicles.

    The automaker discovered the problem during durability testing of a future model of the Five Hundred at very high mileage.

    The company's investigation found that the manufacturer of the strap changed to a weaker grade of steel in December 2004 that could not meet Ford's durability requirements. Ford declined to disclose the supplier's identity.

    At mileage levels of 100,000 and more, the automaker was concerned the strap would separate and cause the fuel tank to drop.

    AP Press"
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I had a very similar recall on my '99 Quest years ago. The spot welds on the fuel straps were suspect. My van was assembled by Ford in Ohio - makes one go hmmm. :-)

    Steve, Host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,819
    just another case of ford squeezing the supplier until they cut corners to still try to make a profit. think delphi and visteon. i like fords, but this keeps biting them in the butt.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • willie19willie19 Member Posts: 139
    " just another case of ford squeezing the supplier until they cut corners to still try to make a profit. think delphi and visteon. i like fords, but this keeps biting them in the butt."

    Right On!! Ford needs to stop using their beancounter mentality to put pressure on their suppliers to cut costs.It makes you wonder sometimes if the thinking is to get away with some small savings on parts which nobody is going to see anyway and it has backfired on them. Recalls are the most dreaded news to bear especially at a time when the public perception indicates Ford's reputation has fallen somewhat in disfavour. Just telling like it is.

    Have accepted some of the other shortcomings on our Ltd AWD but this looks to me as a serious safety issue. :mad:
  • kb540iakb540ia Member Posts: 12
    The problem is without the squeeze, try getting a Freestyle SE for under $30K.
  • stmssstmss Member Posts: 206
    yes, and the competitors are doing it too to keep costs down so if the price needs to go up, people will switch their purchases. From the owner point of view whats a couple of bucks to improve a component. From the beancounter point of view you need to multiply that by number of units (ie $1.00x100,000 units) - hence may be considerable savings to them.

    Fact is, manufacturers I don't think care too much about durability after 100,000 miles. In fact they want you to buy a new one long before then.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Member Posts: 1,565
    If a vendor substitutes a lower grade of steel not complying with Ford specs, the vendor is the primary blame, not Ford! First and foremost vendor's products have to meet the Ford drawings and written engineering specifications. Blaming Ford right off the bat without knowing all the facts is unfair.

    Ford did catch the problem and took the proper steps with a recall with absolutely no customer suffering from the bad straps, so don't be so quick to point the finger. You will be pointing a lot of fingers at every car manufacturer on the globe as none are immune from recalls.
  • tourist1234tourist1234 Member Posts: 30
    >>Ford did catch the problem and took the proper steps with a recall with absolutely no customer suffering from the bad straps, so don't be so quick to point the finger.<<

    I agree. The straps are something that could fail after 100,000 miles. It was only revealed because of long term testing that Ford was doing as a quality measure. It was probably part of their audit porcess of their suppliers.

    For a short time in my younger days I worked for an environmental testing lab that tested automotive components for failure. Some of the vendors would put incredible pressure on the lab to obfuscate negative data on some of their components.

    Sometimes manufacturers get caught by bad data from their suppliers. Where I currently work we used an expensive Japanese bearing in one of our applications. After making our product for several years one of our bean counters found a Korean bearing that by all specification was as specked out to be the equivalent of the bearing we were using. They switched to the new bearing without consulting engineering, manufacturing etc. In the field the service engineers started seeing a increasing fail rate. It took a while to figure out what was going on. Clearly on paper the Korean bearing looked to be the equivalent of the Japanese bearing, in reality it wasn't.

    So who knows? Perhaps this part supplier making the straps bought from their vendor steel that was supposed to be the equivalent of what they were using. Or maybe to make extra profit they intentionaly bought a lower grade steel.

    I am just glad Ford caught this and is correcting it before I put a lot of miles on my Freesytle.
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