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Here is another view of this strange concept. It's based on the Dakota.
You have to open the rear glass and slide the seat back for the rear passengers to fit. Note the hinge, seat goes up and back.
-juice
I don't think Bob got pics of these, but I did.
Coupe reminds me a little of the Calibra, a little. The sedan looks like the Astra sedan that's been sold in Brazil for several years.
-juice
Sorry, I meant Saturn Relay. Actually, no I didn't. ;-)
Crossover Sport Van, that's gotta be the dumbest label EVER.
Nose job of the very, very old Chevy Venture. Worst attempt at a new minivan recently.
-juice
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p649012ddea242763bbcd- 8afa98b807ab/f9f62249.jpg
So alike it looks like someone just photo-chopped the grille on there. Pathetic.
-juice
Coming from an F-body, this would be a huge step up.
-juice
Look at that beak! Why do they have to be so pointy? I'm sure this car is a foot longer than it needs to be.
G6 replaces the Grand Am, but it has a very long wheelbase, 112" I think, vs. 106" for the Malibu on the same platform. Actually the platform is shared with the Saab 9-3.
It's supposed to get a 3.9l V6. The 3.5l in the Malibu was good, so this actually has potential to be more than just a rental car. Pricing looks high, though, so they still built-in rebates.
-juice
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p5692da73ed6abf3c67b7- b5a834e812ff/f9f62277.jpg
Very simple, very genius. I love simple ideas like this and the Mazda6's rear seat back release, so I took photos.
-juice
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pfa8f55c5929b1ff8757c- d45741808c8d/f9f6227d.jpg
Check out those wood wheels!
-juice
Love that angle.
-juice
Hey Ken, check out the Legacy in the background of that pic. That was the 2.5l wagon, Limited model.
-juice
Dodge had a whole Mopar display downstairs. Actually their aftermarket presence is amazing. You can put a front LSD in an SRT-4 and it's covered under warranty.
Subaru could learn a thing or two from Mopar.
-juice
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pa7b323252eb6cf571eb5- ddb25e252b22/f9f6258b.jpg
-juice
Now here is a Liberty you can off road. Too bad it took about $50,000 in add-ons to get there!
-juice
It's the first time in a long time that I've driven a new car without power windows, power mirrors or power door locks. I really can't complain, as the car is is the result of the Subie dealer who is repairing the car screwing up, and Patti/SOA coming to the rescue.
Now—and actually speaking from experience—I can honestly say that Patti is a huge asset to SOA and to Edmunds.
Bob
-juice
OTOH, would love to meet her, and the rest of the crew, when we have our get together at SIA.
Jim
No picks. I'm just going to watch, enjoy, and may the best team win.
Above the fray, and below the radar...
Cheers!
Paul
~c
I wonder if the relatively aerodynamic shape of a cargo ('coffin') box for hauling ski toys would impose less of a fuel mileage penalty? Both cars have flat crossbars, so portability between the Subaru & Suburban shouldn't be a problem.
Where do you usually ski?
Cheers!
Paul
-juice
Bob
Not that I'd ever buy one, so I really don't care much. I guess it would be interesting to see some of the features and ideas others could mimic.
-juice
Bob
Talk about emissions! LOL
-juice
BTW, I did drive a new CRV today, and it really is impressive. I hate to say it, as the Subie gods will wreak havoc upon me, but you should check one out, as it the (baby) space-to-low-cash-outlay ratio is pretty darn good. Not as much fun as a Subie (but still fun), and a lot less expensive than a Pilot, et al. The dealer quoted me $21.8K for the EX automatic (MSRM ~ $23K) which comes with a moonroof. The 5-speed would be less. This fire issue does cloud the matter greatly, however. Actually I'm still hoping for an Outback Sport. We'll see...
Bob
In Aug 02, we test drove one of the newer CR-Vs. Definitely had better power, but the handling was still way too tippy for me (my wife noticed it too). I didn't like the interior either -- it was a chocolate color with oddball seat fabric (which has been improved as I understand it). I did like the back seat space and utility (better than my Outback) but that rear swinging gate was a real turnoff. Had we gotten a CR-V, I probably would have been cursing that gate even in our driveway (tight on space and sloped).
Thankfully, that test drive pushed us to the Forester, and it was exactly what my wife was looking for! I do wish the Forester had more back seat room, but it's rarely an issue for the two of us. Even if we have kids, I think the Forester will be adequate for quite some time. My neighbors, on the other hand, decided they needed an Expedition for their newborn, which is utterly nuts!
Craig
~c
Craig
Would like to hear opinions if you don't mind sharing.
Thanks,
CUSAFR
-Frank P.
-Frank P.
Frank: Your co-worker's probably related a guy near me who has his and her Hummers, and whose two teenagers each got an Explorer when they got their licenses.
Zman
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
-Frank P.
For a short time, we were also the main transportation for our own 3, a grandchild, and the grandchild's father .. so when we loaded the "family" it was six adult sized people and a baby seat ...
<feels cleansed after confession>
The ones I "do" have a complaint about, are those who purchase these vehicles strictly for the "bling" factor.</rant>
Bob
But it's the large majority, at least here in New York, these vehicles are owned strictly for the "bling" factor, and the cause that the little minority who have to share the criticism.
Brenda-
You might still be owning a Suburban. Don't know about IN, but here in New York, my OB, OBS, and the WRX wagons are classified as Suburbans.
-Dave
I actually have more complaints about people buying mid-sized SUVs than full-sized SUVs. In this class of vehicle (mid-size SUV), I think there are far more people buying them for the wrong reasons. Here's where AWD crossovers make far more sense. I also think these mid-size SUV owners are starting to realize this. I bet there are plenty of older Explorers and older Grand Cherokees being traded in for Pilots and Highlanders, which make far more sense for most of these people.
Also keep in mind that modern (and sensible, efficient) SUVs/crossovers are a relatively recent products. Prior to a few years ago, these vehicles were just not available, hence the purchase of all these inefficient SUVs. The demand far preceded the availability of decent vehicles.
Bob
Won't be long he'll be crying, as gas price will be shifting to CA $$$$$ with MTBE being flushed from our pumps.
NJ will be introducing CA emission standards on its vehicles and pretty soon the rest of Tri-State would follow suit.
-Dave
However, the standard Legacy already sells at a pretty steep discount (some at below dealer invoice cost) so chances are you won't get much lower unless it's a demo model you're talking about.
If I were in your position, I would go with the '05 Legacy instead. As Frank pointed out, there are enough improvements in it's driveability, safety and performance to warrant getting the newer model. Also, the standard Legacy tends not to be a very sought after model compared to the Outback so one should be able to find it at a competitive price from the get-go.
Ken
Craig
Now: The Legacy or the Outback? If the cost difference is not part of the equation, which 2005 is better and why? Actually, I guess this can better be answered after the new Outback is shown.
Which auto show and when?
Thanks everyone. A great bunch of people here. I will join all of you as an owner, but it will have to be several months yet.
CUSAFR
Looking out the window I've seen a Firebird, and another FW drive car fail to get up this little hill. The BMW X5 made it with no sweat.
I've lusted after Suburbans; Expeditions, Sequoia's- don't know why, maybe my lack of emotional intelligence according to my wife(Where's the couch!). Could I justify it- yes. Do I need it with my one child- probably not.
Joke for the day: A naked man walks into a psychiatrist's office completely wrapped in cellophane. The psychiatrist says- I can clearly see you're nuts!!!
Robert
I count my daughter among these as she has a Tahoe full size SUV, she typically runs between $160-$200 gas a month through this thing.
Now if an outsider from Europe for instance was in that little corner of TX as I was and saw the same thing that I did it does not take much of an imagination to see how the argument could be made for the war was all about oil.
Bare also in mind that the visitor from Europe is paying typical about $7to$8USD for a gallon of Gas versus about $1.40 in the states.
I don't care what argument you make for full size vehicles, in the end it is mostly because we can, not because we need, most of the people driving full size have no real need for them.
Cheers Pat.
Craig
Sorry, I don't buy the argument that we have to be the vehicle consumer police here. I say let people buy what they want. If it pleases them, so be it.
Bob
Zman
My point is that most people could get by very nicely with more fuel efficient vehicles, if our gas consumption was cut in half we would not be so dependant on oil from the middle east.
Cheers Pat.
Craig