Subaru Crew Cafe

locke2c

that's been the stock impreza turbo tire size on 17" wheels for a long time. 95-96ish in the JDM.

~c

hypov

Why do we have to be sooooo backwards

Interestingly, our OEM 16s are 6.5" wide with +55mm offset, and our 17s 7" wide gets +53mm offset. However, those 17s [UK17s] are 17x7 and +55mm offset.

-Dave

locke2c

what's 2mm between friends? :-D

~colin

lucien2

I'm not going there....

rsholland

http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2004/040325bmw-1series/index.ht- ml

lucien2

especially now that they've fixed the price. At first they said $26k. I thought that was crazy, who the hell considers $26k "entry level?" $20k-ish is a far more reasonable target. And knowing BMW it won't take too many options to run up a significant premium.

locke2c

it's damn ugly. where's the small coupe or sedan?

~c

ateixeira

Tahoe hybrid sounds good, but why such a long wait? Isn't the hybrid pickup coming real soon?

1 series 5 door is ugly. It's too tall and stubby, kinda dorky proportions. Their wagon is longer and looks better. A sedan might also.

-juice

lucien2

they know Americans won't buy hatches. ONLY the coupe is bound for the US, most likely as a 2-series.

lucien2

what's the size and offset of the SVX OEM rim?

paisan

16x7.5
5x114.3 with 53mm offset.

Totally different than any other subie (or other) rims out there. Only ones remotely related are honda/acura 5-lug, but their offset is like 38mm v. 53mm

-mike

ateixeira

5x114.3? Talk about an oddball size. Actually that's 4.5", so it's not really metric.

Now they're all 5x100 (mm).

-juice

paisan

It's the only oddball subie rim out there. Matching only the hondahs and maybe the nissan 300zx I think.

-mike

lucien2

there's a set on eBay.

bat1161

Just figured to let you folks know what I've found out so far. I've received 2 different quotes so far- one is for $2100, the other for $2300-2500. For those prices, I think I am going to stick with the traditional tank. The bigger unit goes for $1000-$1100, just for the heater. Thinking it over my wife and I came up with a couple of reasons to stick with the conventional tank.
1) The tankless is approx. twice the price.
2) It would take approx. 5 - 7 years to recoup the extra cost thru energy savings. Hopefully, we will be in a different house by then.
3) When we do resell, if a larger family were to buy my house, they may not like that all they can do is 2 hot water usages at the same time. That could cause a delay in selling.

Maybe when they make a unit that can provide more output it will be worthwhile changing over, but not for now. BTW-if anyone is interested, there are bigger units, but they are electric heaters rather than gas.

Mark

subarusaleshou

Has anyone else had a few dozen cars magically appear in their saved cars? I put 4 in and somehow had 34 show up. Unfortunately, as is common, Edmunds is not set up as they should be. You can check the boxes and elect to compare or download but not delete. Deleting them via the checkboxes should have been the first thing they thought of, ahead of being able to compare or download or anything else.

Then again, these are the same people who don't think we need invoice information on 2003 models once the calendar turns to 2004 even though there are still quite a few out there new on the lots. It wouldn't be so bad if they could compromise and put the invoice info in the used section for the most recent previous year.

Karen_S

If you haven't already, please send your concerns via "Help", located at the bottom of the page. That way the proper department can address the issues.

Thanks!

subarusaleshou

just wondering if anyone else had exponentially increasing saved cars.

fibber2

Sort of like "automotive redemption"? Maybe the Aztek could apply???

Steve

ateixeira

Even Edmunds can't save the Aztek. ;-)

-juice

rsholland

as I try to stay away from political discussions here on Edmunds. Having said that, I thought you all might be interested in the following:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6986

Bob

hypov

He's just ear tickling.

-Dave

ateixeira

It's interesting, the Dems are usually not very car-friendly, though I am moderately liberal.

Then again, who cares, I don't vote! Well, not in this country.

I'm sort of torn - I am a car enthusiast and like choices, but I've always chosen efficient vehicles and have been willing to make that sacrifice all along.

It might just be a necessary harm.

The article is inflammatory, though. Chevettes? Gimme a break. Looks at options like the PZEV Outback, the PZEV Focus, and they sound much more reasonable than an econobox that hasn't been produced for decades.

It's just poor journalism to bring up the Chevette.

-juice

locke2c

I want light cars. We can't all drive tanks, so PROVE to me that a light car isn't safe when it strikes something else. No kidding a semi hitting a CRX is going to have different results than hitting a Maybach... but that is not relevant.

We have some misguided notions of 'safety'.

Fixing CAFE with regards to SUVs, minivans and trucks would be fine by me.

~c

p0926

Boy Juice you hit the nail on the head, that's one inflammatory article.

I do agree though that something needs to be done to slow the lemming-like rush to ever bigger and heavier passenger vehicles. I also agree with Colin's sentiment about wanting light cars. However, a 2500 lb vehicle is always going to come out on the losing end in a confrontation with a 6000 lb vehicle.

-Frank P.

ateixeira

OK, so let's stop putting massive incentives and subsidies on 6000 lb vehicles.

Ban Article 179, the acceleration depreciation for gas hogs over 3 tons GVWR.

Plug up the CAFE loophole for trucks, which has caused average fuel economy to go down since they just started producing more trucks.

Also plug the loophole for gas guzzler taxes. Why does a BMW 540i Sport pay a gas guzzler tax, while the X5 with the same engine does not?

There is room for common sense legislation, rather than political hype of supposedly better CAFE numbers.

-juice

subarusaleshou

and unfortunately a lot of people are easily fooled enough to think he's worth listening to. Massachusettes hasn't provided a decent politico in the last half century and has absolutely none to offer now. Certainly changes need to be made however "flipper" isn't the one to make them.

Let's replace the oil and coal fueled power plants with nuclear and divert all that energy to better uses. Let's redeem the reserves we've locked away and put off limits. Let's find ways to reward conservation that will actually incent people to take advantage of them. Most of all let's hope Mr. Ugly goes away.

paisan

But it will turn into the "i hate suvs, why do you like them" topic.... Please go over there and argue this...

-mike

ateixeira

As an outsider, I find it funny how there are two pretty clear political camps in this country (Libertarian is too tiny to have any real impact). Seems like arguments like this are partisan, each picks a side.

Go to Brazil and you see a whole bunch of political parties, running the whole range.

-juice

fibber2

higher CAFE stds will encourage a faster move to hybrids. Power and fuel economy at the same time. Is this really a problem???

Steve

locke2c

heh, don't make me unleash my bile duct yet again in the direction of hybrids.

~c

paisan

Everything has a trade-off. My guess is hybrids tradeoff is weight. If they were all-that we'd have em in every car already.

-mike

fibber2

if you are like me (gall bladder removed), then your bile duct is a constant drip!

Anyhow..... agree - everything has it's tradeoffs. But I am still willing to bet that the Highlander/RX330 hybrid versions will be a big success, with more power & better fuel economy when driven normally. Is that really a bad thing?

Steve

p0926

Saw a Dodge Raider yesterday on the drive home from work. I'd never seen one before so I did some research and discovered that it's a rebadged Mitsu Montero that was sold in the US in the late 80s. Since I'd never heard of one I'm guessing that they weren't overly popular. I certainly don't recall them on any dealer lots (not that I've ever paid much attention to Dodge).

-Frank P.

lucien2

about 10 years after a Land Cruiser J40 was cool. Even the 2 door Trooper II had evolved by then.

rsholland

I've seen a few, but not many.

Bob

rsholland

http://www.chicagocriticalmass.org/bikeshow.html

c_hunter

the Montero and Raider were pretty small. Look at how big the Montero is now, it's a whale.

Craig

bat1161

That's a great way to say thanks for Subaru sponsoring the show! Subaru in fact promotes bicycle events. Why do people always have to pick on a vehicle as the ruination of all.

Mark

rsholland

Go over to nabisco, News & Rumors area. There's a thread dedicated to this topic, along with a fake de-Forester maroney sticker stating the evils of Subarus and all cars.

Bob

ateixeira

I only have a problem with sensationalist articles like the one above that assume all small cars will be like Chevettes.

Even Kia, bottom of the price ladder, has a new small car with VVT and side curtain air bags. It makes the old Chevette look like a bicycle in terms of technology.

My college roommate, now my cousin's husband, used to own a Dodge Raider. Huge 4 cylinder engine, 5 speed. Constant problems with the alignment and 4WD system, though, I'd say avoid it.

The photo of the Outback links to a false Monroney of a Forester. Duh.

-juice

ozman62

biting the hand that feeds you. I guessing that Subaru won't be too anxious to sponsor that event again. The De-Forester Monroney sticker is actually pretty funny, too bad they weren't smart enough to realize that they had it on an Outback ... sigh.
Owen

p0926

What a clueless bunch of idiots. Here's one of the most environmentally friendly car companies in the world who are nice enough to sponsor a bike show and that's the thanks they get! Biting the hand that feeds you indeed!

-Frank P.

jfl

The critical mass folks are totally inconsiderate. They often intentionally cause traffic jams, thinking only about themselves and their cause.

I hope Subaru will never sponser them again.

I'm not against bicyclists, I just don't care for those that are so self centered and inconsiderate...drivers included.

Jim

p0926

I sent the following email to their website:

You guys are a clueless bunch of idiots! This from someone who owns 3 bikes and has used them to commute in the past. Subaru is one of the most environmentally friendly car companies in the world and they are nice enough to sponsor a bike show and that's the thanks they get! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
 
And yes I think bikes should be promoted more as an alternative form of transportation rather than viewed purely as a recreational vehicle but changes like that don't happen all at once. In the meantime you should be thrilled by a company that supports and encourages biking in any form since the more people who bike the greater the likely hood that some will opt to use them as a form of regular transportation which in turn will lead to local governments and even Joe citizen to recognize that bikes have an equal right to the road and even deserve their own lanes.

I'm sure they'll ignore it (especially with the way I lead off) but at least it felt good to vent :-)

-Frank P.

lark6

Hmm, let's see, you get someone to sponsor your event, then deface their sales/marketing materials and libel them. Nice job. Way to set yourselves up for a lawsuit - that is if SoA sees it as worth their time and resources.

I can see where critical mass might claim the parody defense but it's a weak one at best.

Ed

lucien2

is that these people are prepared to engage in anarchistic acts to get their point across, enraging regular motorists. Those motorists then see me on MY bike and think we're all in the same camp. Well some tatooed and pierced shizz-hot courier might be prepared for a street fight or to be run off the road, but I'm not. I've had some very close calls and I wonder if thos drivers have had their perceptions skewed by a critical mass gridlock event.

And another thing; I don't work in an office, I don't commute. I can't ride from account to account because I have to be presentable. And I have to haul a fair amount of wine fairly often- sometimes as much as 20 cases. How wxactly am I supposed to do my job on a bike?

hondafriek

This is exactly the reason that a lot of motorist want to run bike riders over.
We use the back roads to commute back and forward to the lake in summer.

 These same roads are popular with bike clubs who insist on riding two and three abreast when the law clearly states they should be riding single file.

 You have to practically run them off the road to get them to move over.

Last year I drove behind a group of these morons for almost five miles because they refused to move over and I could not pass. Even Rita who is more even tempered than I am was ready to grab the steering wheel and hit them.

  Cheers Pat.

glycinemax

Way too many wanna-be Lance Armstrongs around here. You'd think with so many cyclists they would be able to get bike lanes or paths built. Please don't be "training" during rush hour on a two-lane road posted at 50 mph.

Thoughts and comments on S-H AWD offering on Acura RL this fall? http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2004040128792&mime=asc- &archives=t
The Temple has some pics and more info..

rsholland

'Bout time...

From what I've read it sounds good. Hope it trickles down to (eventually) Civics too.

Bob