We have temporarily turned off the ability to post while we deal with a massive spam attack. Thank you for your patience.

Subaru Crew Cafe

1149150152154155343

Comments

  • ozman62ozman62 Member Posts: 229
    to the Red Wings fans out there. FLAMES WIN!!! Woo Hoo!! Calgary is going crazy :-D
     ...now back to your regularly scheduled cafe discussion ....
     Owen
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    That was a GOOD game though...
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Calgary was all over 'em and deserved to win. Joseph, while rightfully deserving of criticism at times, was the only reason it was 0-0 for so long.

    I've seen a lot better games this postseason!

    ~c
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Member Posts: 381
    Bob - Maybe I just got lucky! ;)

    -Ian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Built in March '04, so Gunma must have shifted to '05 production completely by now. I wonder if they go cold turkey, or if they overlap with the 2004s?

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    that the auto manufacturers develop a certain "lag" supply of vehicles, a 30, 60, or 90 day inventory. So if we're just seeing the cars now, it makes sense that production started quite a while back.

    Craig
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    what my F-XT will have for a build date. Should be getting delivery to the dealer today/tomorrow...

    -Brian
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    If you're in IT (especially those 'old school-ers'), you'll understand this one: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200405/df20040505.jpg

    My F-XT is showing up on my dealer's website inventory page, but my salesperson is off today. Don't know if that means it's physically there or if it just shows up once it's allocated,etc.

    -Brian
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ooh the suspense has got to be killing you!

    -Frank P
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Indeed. My dw is just as anxious too! I might just have to go take a peek at the dealer to see if it's on their back lot.

    -Brian
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Used to have one of those enclosures for my daisywheel home printer. Took up half my study!! LOL
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Anybody else remember the old teletype "impact" printers? Talk about noisy!

    -Frank P.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    past the dealer tonight and *think* I spotted my F-XT in the back area of the dealer amongst the other ready-to-be-prepped cars. I couldn't get back there to confirm it, but it was near an '05 STi. I later confirmed that they are listing 2 '05 STi's on their site at $31k.

    Guess who's getting a call at 9:01am tomorrow? ;-)

    -Brian
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    My first 'real' computer experience - Teletype Corp. keyboard / printer / paper tape reader as an interface to a Digital Equipment Corp (DEC) PDP-8 in 1975 at Clarkson University.

    Steve
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Brian, you crack me up! :) I've ordered vehicles twice and I quite honestly did not check for weeks on either of them. I think they showed up relatively close to the dealer's estimates, though.

    ~c
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Yes, I remember those days with something less than reverence. The horrendously noisy dot matrix printers of old were happily consigned to the depths of my memory, for good reason.

    I once found myself doing an accounting job in a remote logging camp where I worked in a 30 foot site caravan, perched on two tiny wheels and propped at each corner by improbably balanced stacks of timber wedges. At the best of times, it was unstable but did the job for my lonely accounting office.

    I used an Olivetti M21, a suitcase sized luggable PC made in Italy whose keyboard dropped down to reveal a small amber screen allowing about 20 lines of spreadsheet entry. I use the personal "whose" because of the Olivetti's great charms and frequent failings. Its inherent weakness was the mounting of a chip (used to convert keystrokes to input) directly under the keyboard where repeated vibration (say, from typing) would shake the chip loose. I became adept at dismantling the keyboard, re-fixing the chip and then carrying on. I even effected a more permanent repair, using the nail file from the one woman in the logging camp to open the case and her nail polish to seal the chip partially in place. In those days, we were considerably more attached to the computers than we are today. I understand that Blackberries are the latest thing to feel attached to, but my M21 had all of the uncertainties and appeals of an Italian lover. I pondered whether the frequent dropping of the keyboard chip was the equivalent of my secretary's sorties to the coffee machine.

    When I needed a printer, I borrowed the office Mannesmann Tally 330 printer. Its innards included a huge electromagnet surrounding the print pins, This printed, I think, 330 characters per second, the massive print head whipping back and forth with gusto and shaking anything in its path. The beast weighed about as much as I did and dragged down my car as I took it into the logging camp. If the Olivetti M21 was a tempestuous, female Italian, the Mannesman was a solid, hard-hitting German heavyweight. It never failed and would batter anything in the print head's path.

    Installed in the site caravan, I set the beast up near the centre of the office (over the axle), connected it to the Olivetti and retreated to a desk some distance away at the end of the caravan.

    The beast happily zapped from side to side, pounding out spreadsheets noisily and shaking the whole office. I should have been smarter but did not realize until too late that the wedges at my end of the caravan were shaking free. With my weight and that of the desk cantilevered 10 feet from the wheels, the caravan suddenly sank three feet. That threw me against the back wall of the caravan with my desk pressing against me. I had only half got out from behind it when I looked up to find the printer, on its table, walking rapidly toward me down the slope, veering from side to side as the print head whipped back and forth, dragging the PC and sheeetfold paper behind.

    For a longish time, I though I would be crushed to death by a maddened German printer, exacting revenge upon its Italian sweetheart's other love.

    The saving grace was the shortness of the power cables which reefed free, terminating the print job and slowing the printer's advance.

    I finished the job by hand.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Only Graham can turn a PC and printer recollection into a love story. :)

    DaveM
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    C'mon Colin, it's been almost 7 weeks now. The paperwork indicates 6 weeks (estimate).

    Besides, "crazy" would have been going there after hours, sneaking back to their back lot, and verifying the VIN. ;-)

    -Brian
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    I still have the first COBOL program I wrote in college. It is on IBM punch cards!
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    my first experience with videotaping a lesson for a college class required me to buy a large TAPE ON A WHEEL .... (I wonder where that thing is today .. )
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Reminds me of how loud printers used to be. We had one of those. Now we have some color lasers with an unbearable stench!

    Brian: you mean you didn't bring bolt cutters? ;-)

    The Fence is getting shaky, I feel someone falling off soon!

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ...so I hope to have 'em on this weekend. Of course the STi bar I ordered the same day my Cobb bars apparently shipped is here too. :( I ordered it from Jamie because, after 2 months, I figured the Cobb wasn't ever gonna come. Got up the next day, cranked up email to email Cobb a cancellation, and there's a shipping notice! Gee, thanks for the heads-up. So anyways I got both here; I suppose I'll go ahead and use the Cobb bars since I do intend to autocross a couple of times this year, even if it is on All-Seasons.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Graham's story. But you didn't tell us how many hours you remained trapped!

    Brenda - I worked with one of those beasts. I did video taping for my high school sports dept so that they could analyze player performance. Pretty high tech for 1973. It was an Ampex reel to reel and used Memorex 1" tape. The 'portable' camera head looked like something out of a newsroom studio.

    Steve
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ahhh... paper tapes and punch cards. Those were the days!

    -Frank P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I caught the tail end of that technology.

    Back then you had to get it right the first time, plus you have to be efficient with use of memory.

    Nowadays you have 1 Gigabyte of local RAM to waste, and programmers can afford to be completely inefficient with memory and disk space.

    Mine was the last class at the U of MD that had to take Assembly Language, mandatory. BS class of '90.

    -juice
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    In high school, I took BASIC prgramming on a brand new state of the art Digital PDP-11 - everything stored on real hard disks. The year before was the last year of kids carrying punch cards and rolls. The last day of school that year, someone grabbed the box (appx the size of the bottom half of a refrigertor box) that held all the chads and dumped it down the center stairway of the school - the custodians were not happy!!

    Hey I still have an NEC 286 12mhz sitting in my basement. 1 mg of ram and a 40 mg hard disk - I was gonna rule the world with baby!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I remember BASIC well. Bet I could still write come code.

    10 Let HP=330
    20 Let HP=HP + 10
    30 Goto 20

    I could live with that infinite loop!

    -juice
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Hey I still have an NEC 286 12mhz sitting in my basement. 1 mg of ram and a 40 mg hard disk - I was gonna rule the world with baby!!

    I've got you beat! ;) I have a genuine IBM XT - 8086 (actually it's a loaner from my employer). It's loaded: 640K (might only be 512K) RAM, 5 1/4 single density floppy, a whopping 10 meg full height hard drive and a RGB color monitor. This was probably a $5000+ machine in it's day.

    DaveM
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    aren't you missing a print command or something in there?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nah, just the powah.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Member Posts: 381
    I agree! That ending had me ROTFLMAO!

    -Ian
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    if we wanna go WAY back ... my 'introduction' to chat was on a teletype machine that my dad had when I was six ... he had a friend who also had one and we'd communicate back and forth through typing on the teletype ... I thought that was WAYYYY cool ... of course there's also that picture of me at age 2 playing with his telegraph key ... hmmmm
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    My first "real job" was as a computer operator for a new Univac computer called the "490". This had the "new" magnetic donut core memory. Input was via either paper tape, or entering data via the maintenance board. Magnetic tape soon followed. Had to take the paper tape output and run it through a modified teletype machine. When we got bored on the night shifts we'd take a unused roll of paper tape and try to roll it down the corridor so just the little core would be left rolling.

    Hey, I've also got an Amiga 1000 and a Commodore V-20. The Amiga just needs a new hard drive.

    MNSteve
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    First of all, there will not be any attempt on my part to do a review worthy of the offical discussion here... ala KenS or Juice. These are just my quick impressions of two of Chrysler's new(er) offerings. If there's a lot here it's simply that I can type fast and have no shame in streaming my consciousness nor desire to edit my work. :)

    A female friend wanted me to look at a 2004 Crossfire with her. She'd caught wind of the lease special, which really is a pretty good deal considering MSRP (something like $2k down, $289/mo for 36).

    Local dealers didn't have any six speed manuals, which is what she wanted. (drives a miata.) Figured we'd drive an auto anyway, more just to check out the car than anything.

    Short version: the interior is absolutely awful. Trunk is sparse as the vehicle's shape and size would dictate, but the cabin is just ...BLEH! Too much plastic, and cheezy plastic at that. Gimmicky buttons, awful color scheme --this vehicle was silver with silver/black/rust interior. Yep, RUST. The seats and the lower dash were this dusky orange-brown... rust.

    Ride was reasonable considering the 18" F / 19" R wheel combo, decent balance between sport and touring. The 12-valve Mercedes 3.2L V6 made adequate but not terrifying power. The five speed automatic was fairly impressive although as I said she was after a manual.

    I liked the exterior although it might be too quirky for me.

    ___

    300C

    This is big car but done really well. Folks, I was honestly shocked at the interior quality-- modern yet reserved and tasteful-- the power, and the ride quality. The V8 is fairly potent and is mated the same fabulous 5 speed automatic.

    The dealership is 20 minutes west of our metro area but right in the vicinity of one of the only worthwile stretches of curvy road around. Sadly, yes it is true that Kansas is flat and boring.

    The 300C handled itself quite well with the ESP stability/traction control on and also off. Body roll was surprisingly low, and I was taking posted 45mph corners at 70-80. :-D (Aside: she scared the crap out of me going much slower! Needs some seat time at an autocross or track day, hoo boy were those some abrupt control inputs.) Brakes were easy to modulate and powerful when you asked that of them, but not too touchy. (cough BMW cough cough)

    Oh yeah, since this was the lot's demo car with 700 miles on it I felt absolutely no guilt in switching off the ESP and seeing what she had. It just won't do the 1-2 shift all that firm, which is fine and excusable in this type of car. But it will light up the rears NICELY from up stop and makes a pleasant, happy tire smell if you powerbrake it. :) I would never do this in a zero mile car, of course! I would do it with a salesman in the car, though. hehe

    Honestly, I came away thinking that the Crossfire was a poorly made-over SLK with an interior design team that needed to be subjected to some horrible form of medieval torture. But at the same time, the 300C impressed me quite a lot given the same 40 minute exposure. It's a lot of car for $35,000 decently appointed. She thought the same... except she felt too young (29) to buy a 300C right now. I'd take one over any similarly priced import sedan I've driven recently: 325, 330, G35.

    ~Colin
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    ps, I'm gonna check out a Magnum when they get them in next month or so. ;)

    I really really doubt it'll give the new Legacy GT a run for my dollar, but the 300C piqued my interest and it should be much the same but with a wagonish backend. Although it does have that !#*^%^&$# Dodge Grill.

    ~c
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Reviews and specs on the Hemi 300 seem pretty impressive. Much like an SRT-4 I looked at recently (raffle prize), nice car and I really liked the interior finish. But for me, shame it's a Chrysler. Wonder how much Daimler it is?
    No performance specs on the Legacy GT yet, but I'll lay $$ that a 250hp rated 2.5T will be as fast as the Forester. That just happens to match the Hemi 300 specs for a lot less. I'd get the Legacy GT over it without thinking twice, but I doubt they'll be cross shopped much by others. Still, I'd like to do a 300 test drive. Actually like the looks of the 300 much better than the legacy.

    Nicholas
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.cardesignnews.com/features/2004/040505pforzheim-desfor- um/index.php

    pretty wild car design ideas from German design students.

    Bob
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    When I first met my wife, she was a law enforcement dispatcher. Frequent teletype messages to other regional communication centers had to be manually typed & coded onto a paper strip, which was then fed into a reader to transmit the messasge. Any typos oftentimes meant starting over, especially with things like warrants, etc.

    We're still married, so that qualifies as my 'printer recollection love story' :)

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    The 300C's styling seemed 'odd' to me a first, but it quickly grew to 'different, in a good way'.

    While I haven't seen it in person yet, my impression of the 2005 Legacy is much more positive though. I really like it. :) Plus it will be almost US$10,000 cheaper than the 300C and I don't *need* a car that big --although I wouldn't at all be ashamed to drive it.

    The stock stereo was decent but I don't think it was the top-end offering. I may dig around on Chrysler's site a bit just for kicks-- but it needed an aftermarket sub for sure.

    ~c
  • ldbrickerldbricker Member Posts: 140
    and about the only one they have that I'd consider owning. I looked at the Crossfire for a while when I was helping on a vehicle transfer and had time at the dealership. It had the orange interior also... yuck! They didn't have any 300's in stock, or at least none visible from where I was. I'm not in the market for one as I'd spend $30k on an STi before $35k on that but I'd still like to go look at one.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Up until 2 years ago we were still using dot matrix printers at work. We were finally approved to "upgrade" to lasers like everyone else.

    My first year in college I remember going to engineering computing and being told we were going to learn "cutting edge technology" Fortran 77. We used punch cards for another year before finally switching to PC's. Don't ask me anyhing about Fortran now:-)

    Mark
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Colin,

    I'm actually surprised that you were impressed with the 300C. At least I'm not alone with the impression it left me when I got in one. I'm actually going for a 'good' test drive either tomorrow or Monday.

    After being criticized about the car being heavy and having this or that, I'm glad to see that 'someone' else enjoyed the car and gave some positive feedback.

    I'm really liking this car more and more. I just saw the Magnum commercial last night... nice wagon!!!
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    4000lb curb weight is not at all unusual given the size of the vehicle and a V8. I kept expecting it to feel like a big american pig of a sedan... but it never did.

    overall, I say bravo to one of america's first re-entries into the powerful RWD sedan market. :)

    someone needs make a car like this 3/4 scale, like 3 series size... 3200lb or so. WOW.

    ~c
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Colin: is it a pre-requisite for all your women that they drive a roadster? LOL

    Crossfire doesn't really interest me, I'd just get a Miata or MR2, or even a Solistice, for a bunch less.

    Interesting how much you liked the 300C, though. The Magnum is actually priced lower, and might (just might) be cross-shopped with the Legacy XT or at least the Outback XT.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    holy crap you're right juice. I hadn't looked at the Magnum's pricing at all, was just aware it was a "300C Nomad". ;)

    I wonder if some of the $3k-4k price difference is the brakes and ride quality though... guess I'll find out in a month or so!

    ~c
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, you gotta wonder what they cut out, but it's more than $2 grand cheaper! Wagons usually add a grand!

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    well, the 300C is pretty nicely appointed. standard automatic climate control, standard radiodata sound, standard leather.

    I just hope it's the frills and not the firm bits that are missing in the Magnum.

    ~c
Sign In or Register to comment.

Your Privacy

By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our Visitor Agreement.