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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    That's terrible, especially for such a young child to go through.

    I had a frat brother from college who set himself on fire twice (!) in two separate boating accidents several years apart. Apparently fumes built up in the bilge area and exploded. Both times he jumped into the water to put the flames out, but even so, he was severely burned. He went though pure hell in rehab.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    Well, it is looking up!

    I received an update from my mother a few minutes ago. She says that the hospital was able to stabilize her already. The worst damage is actually in her throat, due to inhaling extremely hot air. Because of that (swelling in her mouth, throat, lungs), she has a breathing tube. Externally, her hair was mostly burned and she has some areas of 2nd degree burns on her face and head.

    After asking what happened, she said that the kids (the older brother is 8 I found out) were with their father while he was burning with a burn barrel. He had started the fire with gasoline (not the best starter choice) and had the can nearby. He went inside for something and, in his absence, the boy thought the fire had gone out. He poured more fuel on it; it sat there a few moments and then flared up with gusto. The girl was too close and it caught her hair on fire and this also is probably when her throat/lungs were damaged. She started to run; her brother caught her, pulled her to the ground, and smothered the flames. Apparently she seemed okay for a little while, but thankfully her mother had been called by then (the parents are divorced) and took her to the hospital. Not long after that her airway swelled shut and she went downhill fast.

    I am still not sure of the extent of the internal damage, but my mom sounded optimistic that she would recover quickly.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    I am debating whether to tell my son (in general terms) about this incident. I do not want to upset him, as he is very sensitive about these things (which is strange since he is regularly talking about throwing his sister on the concrete or in the trash... kids), but he would probably enjoy remembering her and writing her a letter of well-wishing. Okay, he dictates the letter and draws some pictures while his mother writes it. He is not quite writing yet: Verbally spelling, but not writing. :)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Unfortunate accident, but the older brother did a good job not panicking and by smothering the flames quickly could've even saved her life.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Glad to hear that the damage wasn't as severe as it could be; sounds like her brother was a major help and thought fast. Hang in there.

    Mark
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Burns can be scary. Six years ago my then 2 YO daughter pulled a cup of hot coffee off the counter onto her chest. Luckily my wife reacted well and called 911 who transported her to Children's Hospital in Boston. She had some 2nd and 3rd degree burns on her neck, chest and arms but the only scar she has today is about 1/4" x 1" on her neck where the skin folds.

    The staff at Children's said that toddlers are resilient and that they take treatment extremely well. My little girl is a toughie and even today is mentally stronger than her 11 YO brother.

    Personally, I'd tell your kids about incidents like these. It helps them to understand what can happen.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    Thanks for the insights, Rob. Everyone's feedback is appreciated. I accidentally spilled some hot oil from a frying pan on myself when I was ten years old. It was one of those tan colored glass frying pans, and the oil looked just like the pan (so I thought it was empty). I had washed and dried it only an hour before, then placed it on the stove top in preparation to put it away. I needed a ladder to reach the cupboard though, so I did not put it away immediately. Later, I got the ladder, set it up, grabbed the pan, and dumped hot oil all over my chest and legs. That is the fastest I have ever undressed; I looked like a lobster for weeks, and rather felt like one (cooked) as well. My mom, who was heating the oil to fry chicken, lovingly said, "What the hell is wrong with you?! Idiot!" :blush:

    My wife had already relayed the situation to our son when I arrived home last night. He was eager to learn more about what happened and why. I expect that they will write a letter to her today.

    My son is extremely interested in learning how things work; he was nerve-wracking around electricity when he was about two years old. I tried to keep him away from it for a while, then realized that was not going to work. Instead, I taught him about its uses, dangers, etc. Now, just shy of four, he is incredibly responsible with electricity and can sit you down and explain just how it works. I think, come this summer, I will give him the privilege of plugging/unplugging appliances to live outlets. Right now I will let him use power strips, but he has to ask me to plug them into the wall outlet for him. Then, he uses the power switch to shut off the strip, manipulate the plugs, then turn the switch on to observe the results. He is quite the little electrician.

    We purchased a contraption called "Circuits, Jr." for him a couple months ago. We have not given them to him yet, but I expect he will have a blast with them when we do.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    My son is extremely interested in learning how things work; he was nerve-wracking around electricity when he was about two years old.

    That's cool. Two years ago we had an addition done and I did all the electrical work - reading the NEC is sooooo much fun. My son watched me do the rough and then the finish and was fascinated by the entire process of how electricity travels in a circle.

    He was even more fascinated by the inspector who he felt wasn't thorough enough. He expected the inspector to be climbing ladders and checking every single cable, staple and connection.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My son is like that. Future engineer, I believe.

    He rides on a kiddie boat ride, and inspects the boat and how it operates.

    He's always checking the mechanicals, asking how things work.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    Yeah, it is funny. He is not much for watching - he wants to get in and get his hands dirty. My wife and I are building a house from the ground up - all ourselves. Being only about 50% complete at this point, one would think him to have ample opportunity to observe and assist. Nope, not him, he is off rearranging the cabling on the shop lights (which can be annoying when I am up on a ladder and he shuts everything down for a "change," as he calls it) or screwing a bunch of wood scraps into something I would rather he not damage.... That pup cracks me up; he really can be quite a little helper, as long as I let him do more than just ferry tools. He insists on bringing over the drill and plugging it in and prepping the bit and marking the drill point and setting the tool in position. Otherwise, it is not worth his time. :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Oh my son likes to get his hands dirty to a point and I still take the time to reinforce certain things. This past weekend we were hanging some IKEA shelves in his room and he wanted to drill the holes so he helped me with the guzintas to center the shelves and drilled the holes while I reinforced the idea of leveling the drill.

    When he was 6, he helped me gut a bathroom by swinging a little hammer and picking up tile. Last month he built his final Pinewood Derby car and he used the table saw, sander and rotary tool with heavy supervision from me. Last year he got a thrill out of using a wet saw when I was tiling. But he has no interest in doing clean up and I have to remind him the chore fairy was on a perpetual vacation. On a positive note, he is always asking me if I need help when doing projects - he's a good kid with a kind heart.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I coax them into helping me by giving them cool titles:

    Vice President for Supplies (they hand me all the stuff)

    Vice President for Tools and Manufacturing (hand me that wrench)

    Senior Procurement Officer, Refreshments (pass me that soda)

    :D
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    I think that is fantastic. It is the best way for them to learn valuable life skills. My job as a child was usually just the cleanup portion of the projects; being allowed to help in all stages, in my opinion, makes the cleanup that much more rewarding. It is sad how so many people skip that final step.

    We contracted a couple small projects on our house to "professionals" early on. One of them, the foundation footers, was a mess. I am still not sure whether my frustration with it centered more on the fact that the work was so shoddy or because they left such a physical mess behind. There were literally thousands of used nails scattered about the site and even one large pile (several pounds) of unused, double-headed 16d nails. When speaking with the business owner about it, he said that the mess was "standard procedure on a construction site." I told him, "not on my construction site" and found someone else to perform the other contract. I paid him more than his company deserved for the work, but less than they wanted. He was livid about it at first, but I gave him a disc with over 100 photos of the footers and he called me later saying my payment was "quite reasonable." In other words, he was thrilled I did not take him to small claims court. :sick:

    he's a good kid with a kind heart

    I have a feeling that has as more to do with nurture than it does with nature. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Thanks for the compliment.

    Recently he's been trying to finish up a bunch of pins as he is finishing Webelos and crossing over into Boy Scouts in the next month. One was Handyman which required he change a tire, check air pressure, check oil, et al. We did those and he started asking me questions about how engines work, why the Passat engine went front to back versus the Odyssey going across, how disc brakes work and so on. It was pretty cool. He's into Legos and very much a Step A then Step B person - I just know he's going to be some sort of engineer.

    My daughter OTOH looks at the lines that life presents and tries to see how far outside she can color!!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,719
    Hahah; my daughter is only five months old and already I think she is going to be the same way.

    Her latest practice is to be a perfect angel while I am interacting with her, then, a few moments after I turn my back, let out an squeal as though she is being harpooned. Reactively, I turn to look at her. She gives me a heart-melting smile and starts talking gibberish. Awwww..... Darn girls, anyway. :blush:

    I was in Webelos for a while; I never took to it though because there were so many projects, like the pine racers, that required (or could have used) family involvement and I had none. I think my mom encouraged me to join in order to get me out of her hair. Instead, I just sat in the shadows watching other kids interacting with their families and felt depressed. How's that for a backfire? :P I took up a different hobby instead: Growing plants. Twenty years later and it is still a favored activity.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    He's already asking about longitudinal vs. latitudinal engine layouts?

    You should be proud! :shades:
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I just know he's going to be some sort of engineer.

    My daughter OTOH looks at the lines that life presents and tries to see how far outside she can color!!


    Hmm... an engineer and a non-conformist.... sounds like a couple of future Subaru owners :shades:

    -Frank
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    We did those and he started asking me questions about how engines work,

    Sounds like one of his future gifts is going to be a visible engine...
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I had one of those models...the "Visible V-8". I built it when I was about 12 or 13. After it was finished, it actually "ran", on battery power, and you could see how all the parts interacted inside. It was extremely educational. I got one for my son when he was about the same age and had already begun his obsession with cars and all things electronic. He went on to get his degrees in computer and electrical engineering. That model, if it's still made available, seems like a good investment for a "baby gearhead".

    Len
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Hmm... an engineer and a non-conformist.... sounds like a couple of future Subaru owners

    We'll see - we've never owned a Subie. I'm just living vicariously through you folks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, for my son's birthday...

    That, or...

    Excite Truck for the wii with a steering wheel controller.

    Tough call! ;)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    My 2 favorite toys when I was growing up "Bridge and Girder" which was a road and bridge set with blue plastic girders for matchbox cars. The other was my Erector set which had steel plates and nuts and bolts. :)

    -mike
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    Excite Truck for the wii with a steering wheel controller

    Is that for you or your son?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My son AJ.

    oops! :D
  • caliberchiccaliberchic Member Posts: 402
    Wow glad she is stabilized and quick thinking on the brothers part for putting out the fire on her.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OK, it's for both me and the kids (5 and 8 years), so keep that in mind.

    Should I wait for Mario Kart? It comes with a steering wheel.

    Excite Truck? That's the game that has been recommended to me by store employees, and it's popular enough that it's out of stock.

    I've also seen Cruisin' for a good price, and I'm a cheap-skate.

    Any others?
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Best Driving Game ever? Gran Tourismo. Oh Sorry, you need a PS3. ;)

    I guess it depends- I find that unless you have a driving wheel and pedals, how real is any game you drive with your fingers?

    Excite truck is fun for kids. Mario cart for the Gamecube was a lot of fun so I'm sure it will be fun for the wii as well.

    But if you are into realistic driving, you need a PS3 or Xbox 360.

    tom
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    it's for both me and the kids

    who's' 5 and who's 8? ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I tried a game in the store, forget the name. The graphics were great and when I drove a Miata it even behaved "familiar", i.e. it handled the way the real Miata does. Pretty neat.

    I forget the name of that game. A white, turbo Miata is one of the default cars.

    The kids were completely MIA, as in not interested. It has to be a bit easier to use. They waited in line to play Mario Galaxy on the Wii. Galaxy seemed a bit hard for them, though. I want a game they can do on their own.

    Maybe Mario Kart is the way to go for them.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    You can play game cube games on the wii as well. You might want to find a copy of Mario Kart for the game cube and try it on them. It will probably be cheaper than a wii game, especially now. If you can't find one online (ebay, amazon, etc) you can probably get a used copy cheap.

    I can go home and check how it works on the wii for you if you want juice.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If you have it, sure, please do.

    My little brother had Mario Kart, but I think it was for the Nintendo that came before the Game Cube. SuperNES? Nintendo64? Something like that. It seemed like a decent game, well targeted for my kids.

    To be honest I found Mario Galaxy a bit challenging for my kids. They get frustrated and then they want help. I want to get something they can try and succeed on their own.

    I saw a Sonic game at Target for $14.99 for Game Cube and almost bought it. I wonder how well the controller will work, though, given the game was written for the old style ones.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Do you have a game cube juice? The wii will accept the game cube controllers.

    I don't know how well the game cube games work with the wii controllers- I'll try, um, I'll have my kids try tonight. ;))

    Some of these games are amazing. They're so complicated I don't know how kids play them- I sure can't! But kids learn really fast, even the young ones.

    When your kids get older you'll have to try guitar hero. It's really fun and you get to listen to all the music that you knew while growing up!

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Just got a game for the PC that is basically an AI racing game. I'll find out the name (haven't installed it yet) but played it on my buddy's machine and it's very realistic.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    OK Juice. The good news is Mario Kart for the game cube runs just fine on the wii. The bad news is you need to use game cube controllers. The wii controllers don't work.

    Maybe waiting for the wii version would be better.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks for trying.

    I think I'll pass if I have to buy Game Cube controllers. I really think that's for people that had Game Cube before and want to be able to continue to use their game library.

    We have 5 games now:

    Wii Sports - love it, great for the kids. Included for free.

    Wii Play - came in a package with the 2nd controller, simple but good training. A bargain the $10 extra it cost.

    Links Crossbow Trainer - came with an accessory that makes it shoot like a crossbow. I really like it. It's too hard for the kids, but we play together. I think it was $25 but it came with the crossbow, so worth it.

    Cooking Mama - kind of silly but cute. It was $30, a bit expensive, and I wonder if they will get tired of it soon. Not sure.

    Ramon's Raving Rabids - hilarious game. The kids love it. It's hard, though, so I have to help them through many stages. You can go back and play other levels. Some times I let the kids shoot and I do the reloading, so you can team up. This was a $50 game just last year but I got it for $20 because version II just came out. A total bargain and recommended.

    I want a Mario style adventure game but Mario Galaxy may be too hard for them.

    Definitely want a driving game. Maybe I'll get Mario Kart ($50 with steering wheel) for them and Cruisin (down to just $20) for me.

    Their birthdays are this summer so we'll see.

    Oh, and the wife wanted Guitar Hero ($90, ouch, but it comes with a guitar), which I find hilarious because she's never picked up a guitar. I may get her Dance Dance Revolution instead. She may actually use that. That costs $70 but it only comes with one mat, I wish it had 2.

    You can spend money pretty quickly, eh? I think we spent $375 already. :D

    But...I have not splurged on any video games since I was a kid. Before college, even.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Juice, bite the bullet and get the old style controllers. Our kids have about 20 games in their library and cross-trade with friends all the time. They can finish some games in a month and a half of Sunday mornings (their permitted video time). And then want to move on. Back compatibility just gives so much more selection as the Wii games are still slow coming out. Hit/call a second hand store and you can probably get the controllers dirt cheap plus they almost give away old games. Truth be told controllers are not expensive even retail. Off brand controllers can be picked up on-line for less than $15.
    The problem with a steering wheel game is that is turns people into spectators. Our kids love playing with 3 or 4 at a time on Mario Kart - only possible with 4 controllers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Game selection is OK. A particular store may not have a lot, but I see dozens of games on-line I would eventually want to consider or try.

    BlockBuster rents them but at $8.50 a shot it's not cheap. Still, if they have a week off they could probably go through the whole thing in those 5 days.

    I will probably get a 2nd steering wheel so we can race 2 at a time.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Juice-

    Get Guitar Hero, you'll all love it (and your wife will be happy). I've been talking about getting an XBox 360 for Halo3 (supposed to clean garage and computer room first) but we've played Guitar Hero and Singing Star with my nephew. Now my wife wants the Playstation for both games! Go figure.

    Mark
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    My wife has vetoed upgrading the GCube, nevermind another console. I've been itching to try Halo. Think I'll build a secret bat-cave in the far corner of the crawl space with a TV, Xbox and one of those gaming chairs with integrated speakers.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    R Factor is the game for the PC. It's outrageous. You can also download VIR, Summit Point, Watkins, Limerock, etc. :)

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'll think about it.

    Her b-day is in 2 weeks.

    My little brother came over yesterday. He has Zelda and Smash Bros, so I'll borrow those to sample them for a while. Both are rated Teen, though, so I'm not sure I'd buy them for my young kids.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    We've only added Lego Star Wars The Complete Saga and Madden 08 to the library since Christmas.

    I tend to only use Wii Sports and will sometimes be the second player on Star Wars with my son although I sometimes morph into Princess Leia and can't figure out how to change back to another character!!

    Now I remember why we have a minivan - 3 day ski trip and we had the back loaded!!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Admit it, Rob, you're a cross-dresser and have yet to find a cure. ;)

    The last couple of days I've been getting in to Links Crossbow Training.

    I guess that makes me a green leprechaun that wears tights and shoots people with a Cupid-style crossbow. :D
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...and I'm the weird one!!!
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    My little boy's having outpatient surgery early today (Friday) to repair a hernia. It's a minor thing, but any positive thoughts and prayers would be appreciated.

    Thanks, folks.

    -Jeff
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Hope it goes okay. In the space of about four years, we scored all four of our family with hernia repairs and the boy suffered least from it. First I had one that went wrong, then Angus (day procedure) then Tamsin then Judy. Angus was bouncing immediately afterwards. I recall coming into his room shortly after he recovered from the anaesthetic to find him bouncing and leaping off the furniture shouting "Jump!". Quite made me feel ill, remembering how much agony I had suffered, but I was almost forty at the time. he appeared gloriously unfussed.

    When Tamsin came around from her surgery, she was horrified to find her teddy bear, Max, was wearing a dressing in the same spot. Poor bear thought he was only along for reassurance, not unexpected surgery. Tamsin was immensely pleased to find that pretend teddy bear wounds heal even faster then children.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    you've got them !!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Sorry to hear that Jeff. As Graham said, I'm sure he'll come through just fine.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sending positive thoughts your way.

    I've been very fortunate the last year or two so hopefully some of my luck rubs off on you. :shades:
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    Quick, juice, knock on wood before you jinx yourself!

    Len
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