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  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    I absolutely LOVE my 2001 Outback ... but ... in 2000 when I was starting to look for a new car, I remember my (now) husband pointing out a Subaru Outback and saying ... "What about one of those?" ... and I went ... "Ewwwww ... yuck" ... and then about 3 months later when I was busy shopping and researching, etc. ... well .. you guys see what I ended up with ...

    (It 'grew' on me ...)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with Piech. Porsche should not be building SUVs and large sedans.

    You'll recall he was the man behind the upscale push for VW, including the VW Phaeton.

    Problem is, he probably wants to bring the Phaeton back.

    I'd argue that should be Audi's domain, and not VW's nor Porsche's.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    Ironically, that's Marchionne's plan for Chrysler... define the brand roles and stick to them.

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    KC, there are some new rumors floating out there that the RAM (1500?) could get a Fiat diesel; maybe even ditch the Cummins diesel for the HD models, with a Fiat unit. Thoughts?

    http://green.autoblog.com/2009/08/29/report-chrysler-could-ditch-cummins-for-fia- - t-diesel-power/

    Note: This was originally published in Automotive News, so there probably is some truth to it.

    Bob
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    I see a light duty IVECO (Fiat Commercial, for those not familiar) diesel as possible for the Ram 1500 and Dakota. I think Chrysler and Cummins both recognize the brand equity they have built together with the HD Ram, though. That relationship is entering its 21st model year this fall, and there are plenty of people who would shun the HD Ram if it weren't for that engine.

    There's also speculation that Marchionne will bring over the Fiat competitor of the Sprinter to replace the Benz truck, as well as the Fiat competitor of the Ford Transit microvan. That makes sense to me.

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  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    Here are the Fiat Ducato commercial van and its sister, the Iveco Daily - these compete with the Sprinter in Europe:
    Fiat Ducato
    Iveco Daily

    And the Fiat Doblo that competes with the Ford transit:
    image

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I think you mean the Doblo would compete with the Ford Transit Connect, not the Ford Transit. The Transit is a larger Sprinter-sized van.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/5165

    No word yet on drivetrain. Depending on the AWD setup, this could give the Outback a fight for sales. No, it's not a "direct" competitor, but it's close enough to cause some trouble.

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Well Honda did a nice job of covering up what the cross tour would really look like. Here are the first spy pics:

    http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spied/08q4/2010_honda_accord_cuv-spied/gallery

    Now there is talk of a wagon version of the Acura TSX coming stateside but why would they bother with camo on that - it's already out in Europe.

    IMHO, the Cross Tour is more of a Venza/Edge/FX competitor. It might sway some Hondaphiles from leaving the fold but I doubt it'll capture more than a few current Subanistas.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Not according to SOA's Dave Sullivan. At the Outback press launch in Washington state last month, he stated (@ ~ 30:02 0f video below), that the Crosstour will indeed be a car that they expect to be cross-shopped against the new Outback.

    http://www.casttv.com/video/3g2d2p/p...07-22-09-video

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure the OB will be cross-shopped with both the (Camry) Venza and the Accord Crosstour.

    More than the Legacy is compared to the Camry and Accord, anyway, because those aren't AWD.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=43&item=102

    Everything but the Tribeca broke sales records.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Forester is cleaning up! Nearly double the new Outback.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Truly impressive!

    I am not surprised about the Forester/Outback results. I think the primary drivers are 1. Availability of the '10 model, and 2. Price. The first is probably more significant than the second.

    That said, we closed the deal on our new Forester today. :D
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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    AN has a report on what you speculated.

    Fiat considering two commercial trucks for N.A

    Quote:
    Chrysler Group confirmed Tuesday it is considering two Fiat S.p.A. commercial vehicles to North America to replace the outgoing Dodge Sprinter.Those vehicles under study are the Fiat Ducato and Iveco Daily, according to Gualberto Ranieri, senior vice president of communications at Chrysler.

    "Chrysler Group, together with Fiat and Iveco, are together analyzing the possibility," said Ranieri.

    Citing unnamed sources, Automotive News had earlier reported Chrysler was considering bringing in the vehicles under a separate Dodge truck brand.

    Ranieri would say only that any commercial vehicles would "certainly not have the Fiat badge.

    The sole Fiat vehicle in North America will be the Fiat 500. Period."

    Mercedes-Benz announced Tuesday it would end its partnership with Dodge and would appoint about 120 Sprinter dealers. The vehicles will carry the Mercedes badge. That means the Sprinter contracts will be terminated for about 350 Dodge dealers.

    Iveco is a commercial truck maker owned by Fiat. The Iveco Daily is a comparable in size to the largest Sprinters, while the Fiat Ducato is smaller.

    Asked when a decision on importing the vehicles might be made, Ranieri said: "We are exploring that and a decision will be announced at the appropriate time."


    http://www.autonews.com/article/2009...909019962/1251

    Bob
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    The Crosstour sort of looks like a larger, Honda-esque Prius, minus the latter's hybrid drive.
    Its layout's attractive, but that steeply sloping hatch will reduce cargo space.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    That was exactly my thought on it as well, Kurt.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Outback and Venza also have sloped rear glass, though probably not as compromising as Honda's design.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Well, but that is the difference between sloped and raked! The Honda's, by the photos, looked more like a fastback than a hatch/wagon. :D
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It looks like that low-slung Benz SEDAN! :D
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    True, but the window line is very high. So even with the fastback roofline, the cargo area is very "deep," as in "tall." Rarely do people load the cargo are above the window line; well, not that often at least.

    My guess is this car will have a very roomy cargo area, judging by the length (gotta be longer than an Outback, as the Accord sedan is longer than the new Legacy), and by the depth of the cargo area (mentioned above).

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oh my, just saw pics.

    She's got a great personality!

    By far the Venza is the best looking of the bunch. The Outback falls in the middle. The Crosstour is unfortunate.

    Gosh, they missed this one big time. I like the Benz SLS and the Hyundai Sonata, but this is more BMW X6 sort of ugly.

    I think the split rear window could be functional, but the rear looks chunky, and the back window is sort of smallish. I like the Insight, but not this.

    It looks like a pregnant, female Accord.

    It's actually not bad from the C-pillar forward.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Venza? Good looking? I like the interior, but hate the exterior. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago, at FitzMall. While no beauty, I much prefer the Crosstour in terms of looks.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    I very much agree, Bob. Most of the time when I load my vehicles, I keep the cargo at/under the bottom of the window. However, tall, boxy cargo or large dogs find more squared-off cargo areas far more accommodating!

    I think there will be some cross-shopping. Perhaps more previously (to '09 model) than now, but it all depends on the factors driving the purchase selection. If economy, space, and brand reliability/reputation are high on the list, I think cross-shopping is likely.

    I have to wonder why they would put this model "atop" their current lineup? It is like the AWD version of the Toyota Sienna... not only the "high rollers" are looking for these features! :confuse:
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Me, too. I like it better than Venza or the '10 Outback. In fact, I would even put the Venza atop the Outback in terms of looks, even though I do not like it much. I just think the Outback is blocky and awkward looking. From what I have read, though, several men have posted that they like the new look as being more "manly." *shrugs* I cannot quit comparing to the last generation in that regard. :(
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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Well, of the three, I prefer the Outback, as it's more squared off than the Crosstour, has better rear visibility, and is probably better off-road. As to the Venza, I absolutely detest the exterior styling. It looks like a mutant Dodge Magnum. I just hate it.

    Also, while Honda hasn't said anything yet, I'm betting it has the same on-demand Real-Time 4WD that the Pilot has (the badge on the rear hatch says "4WD"). I prefer the full-time Subaru AWD system.

    I wish the Outback had 18" wheels though, like the Crosstour. In fact the Tribeca's wheels and 255/55x18 tires would look perfect on the new Outback. As it stands, it looks under-tired. So, is that making it more SUVish? You bet, and I would love that!

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Yuck. I have never been a fan of large rims. There is such a thing as too small, but 18" is the beginning of too large on a passenger car or SUV. I will definitely pick up a set of 16" rims for my Forester in order to run the winter tires.
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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Well, of the three, I prefer the Outback...

    Shocking!!

    :)
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    Yep, and you're right, I meant the Transit Connect.

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  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I felt the Honda looked more like the Magnum when I saw it. Venza never put me in mind of it. I always thought the Venza wheels looked too big for my taste, but I've never been a fan of big wheels.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The brochures probably show Venzas with 20"s but I'm sure the smaller rims would not stand out so much.

    Bob - let's go see a Crosstour when they arrive at Honda dealers. I have yet to see it in person and often opinions change. I'm pretty open-minded. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The parking lot at our beach condo is a mess, with big potholes and hold lots of water after a big rainstorm. I feel like it would eat my van. I wouldn't even think of parking my Miata there.

    Question is, how can I patch/fill-in those pot-holes?

    It's just gravel over dirt now, I think.

    The association doesn't have any reserves and they want to wait, but I'd like to do at least a touch-up for now.

    I was thinking about getting gravel and maybe some sand, patting it down to fill those in, but am I wasting my time? Will those wash away?

    Once it's sort of level I'll talk them in to a whole new layer of gravel, but right now it's so bad I want to do something just so my axles don't break.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Well, it depends mostly on what you use as to how long it will stay in place, as well as how much the lot is used. I would not recommend anything with a high sand content, as that will tend to shift and "splash out" faster. If you use gravel that, locally, we call D-1, and compact it pretty well with a tamper or similar device, it will likely last much longer. Larger aggregate, such as 2-minus, might also hold up well, but it will not compact as nicely and therefore could be looser under foot. Most importantly, though, is that the holes be filled completely (after compacting). If you leave any dip into the previous hole, water will collect there and every time a tire contacts it while wet, the smaller stuff (like dirt, sand) that holds the larger aggregate in place will splash out. It is inevitable that this will happen anyway, but it takes longer....

    Once those holes get deep, the problem is magnified.
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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    juice - I can't offer any help on how to fix those holes but I'd be more concerned that the association doesn't have any reserves!!

    Get yourself on the board ASAP and try to rectify that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Most importantly, though, is that the holes be filled completely (after compacting).

    Good advice, will look out for that. It may be too big a job for me to tackle, now that I think about it.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Maybe you could fill a path to your condo! :P

    You have a better feel for the area than the rest of us, obviously, but perhaps you could coordinate a crew of association members to tackle this job as a group. If it is a materials-only sort of a gig, the association may even be able to pay for it since the cost of labor (typically the highest cost) would be removed.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I am on the board, well, if you can call it that.

    We're talking 6 small units, that's it. 3 of us are responsible, friendly, and look out for the place. 2 are renters, and 1 lady doesn't seem to care enough to attend meetings. Only 1 unit is behind on the condo fees, but they are way behind to the tune of about $2 grand (enough to pay for a pro to do the whole parking lot).

    We had an assessment to do the roof, and the siding was cleaned up. Plus we painted the wood decks and stairs. The crawl space was also fixed up. Now it's just the parking lot, but we've used up all the reserves and the assessment for the roof.

    What we should do is sue the guy behind on the fees, then just use that money.

    That can take time, though, and we agreed I could use up to the amount on my condo fee to fix the potholes, just for now.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    coordinate a crew of association members to tackle this job as a group

    I'm trying to get one of the friendly ones to do just that. He's got a big F-250 pickup and a trailer. He's just not motivated.

    The association leader has a boyfriend but he has no ownership in the place so I'm not sure he'd be motivated enough to help. I wish, he's a big guy, very strong, just lazy.

    I have asked them to help, though. We'll see.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    OK - I get it. You spent the reserves on some big ticket items recently. That I can understand.

    How big is the parking lot? You might be able to get it paved instead.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's what I would like to do.

    Since I bought the place, we've actually been cleaning it up pretty well. It looks much, much better today than it did 5 years ago. We still have a bit more to do.

    Even in this awful market, values are about 30% higher than what I paid, so it's paying off. :shades:
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Lucky you. Filing potholes is one of the less appealing jobs around. The previous comments are all correct. Ideally the fill material should be similar to the base material so it will bind together. If there is fine material in the pot hole, dig it out and make sure there is not standing water (although damp conditions make it easier to bind the fill to the existing material.

    Overfill the hole fractionally and compact. If you have a decent sized post (like a fence post) of about 4-6" diameter with a flatttish base, this makes a good tamper. The bad news is that lifting and dropping this is hard work!

    You can achieve a pretty good smoothing blade by tying ropes to a screw eye in each end of a heavy squared post (offset the scre eyes so that post does not role over) and dragging it backwards and forwards across the gravel, Fabulous method for wearing out exuberant children or you can achieve the same effect yourself.

    You need a generous beer allowance to make up for the energy expended and a sympathetic spouse to rub the sore muscles. It is a good reason to go and lie on the beach to recover.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Weenies. You wanna talk about sore shoulders - take a number.
    I hammered in 7 five inch diameter round fence posts with a manual post pounder last summer while putting up a cattle fence around the woods of our house. I'll not do that again any time soon, or I'll wait for Spring when it's supposed to be much easier. Tamping pot-holes sounds like a vacation. If only I wasn't 3000 miles away I'd gladly help......too bad!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    There are probably 4 or 5 holes, so maybe I'll tackle the smaller ones first, figure out what I'm getting myself into.

    I still hope one of the neighbors will be around to help, alas no response to my e-mails.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    So I'm going back on the street, and the Camry goes away in 30 days. That leaves us with one '99 Outback and a wife who's never had a new car. Also, no guarantee that the "new" company will make it any more than the "old" one did, so I still feel job security is sketchy.

    a) new car for wife, I drive the OB till it quits
    b)new car for me (i.e. Fit), because I'll be paying my own gas now too, and her commute is 4 miles and she's just going to have to suck it up in the OB for a while longer
    c) '90 Loyale wagon for me, because it's $2500 and will run forever and be cheaper than dirt to maintain, until everything feels safer and more secure at work.

    d)???
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,741
    Four miles? Get her a bicycle! :P
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  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    My issue with any 1990 vehicle as a daily driver is that it won't be as crashworthy as a newer model. Funny how having 4 kids makes that the first thing I think of :-)
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/09/honda-addresses-critics-by-releasing.html

    The car has received a heap of criticism on the Net. As such Honda has released some new images in an effort to stem the criticism. Not sure it's going to work.

    I rather like the styling, but I don't like the lack of rear-quarter window visibility, which looks to be really bad.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...-to-Crosstour/

    Quote from link:
    The results of a reader poll published at Autoblog tell the story: 3.4 percent of respondents think the Honda Accord Crosstour is a good-looking car. An astounding 80.7 percent, on the other hand, voted for the option "Kill it With Fire!!!"

    Honda is struggling with the overwhelmingly negative reaction to its upcoming Crosstour Crossover. Essentially a tall wagon version of the Accord sedan, the Crosstour is an important vehicle for Honda. Toyota has had success with its similar Venza, which is little more than a Camry wagon, and Honda could theoretically achieve similar results with an Accord-based crossover.

    The problem is the car's odd proportions - a long hood and unusually large grille create the appearance of a huge, bulbous nose. From automotive journalists to casual Facebook readers, most who have seen it seem to see the same off-putting proportions.

    Ground Zero for the argument has been the Crosstour's official Facebook Page, where more than 4,000 people signed up as "fans" of the car on the day it was unveiled -- and most immediately began posting negative comments about the car's unusual appearance.

    Honda has attempted several responses. At least one Honda employee - Manager of Product Planning Eddie Okubo - began posting positive comments on the page. Okubo, however, didn't identify himself as a Honda employee. When Facebook users caught on to his identity, Honda purged his comments from the page. Autoblog says, "His comments and other similar non-sanctioned corporate communique will one day wind up in business textbooks as examples of how social media marketing can go very, very wrong."

    After Okubo's experience Jalopnik notes, Honda began a more formal effort at "damage control." The company posted a note to fans on the page, attempting to respond to the criticisms. "Some of the excuses are completely reasonable. For instance, Honda explains that the vehicle is built on the U.S. Accord platform and not the TSX platform, which is why it doesn't look like the European Honda Accord wagon. They also point out it's aimed at individuals (i.e. moms) in the crossover segment and their research shows it'll appeal to them."

    One excuse, however, has re-ignited the firestorm. In its note, Honda wrote, "the two studio photos we posted didn't give you enough detail, nor were they the best to showcase the vehicle. There are more photos on the way. Maybe it's like a bad yearbook photo or something, and we think the new photos will clear things up."

    The "blame the photographer" excuse is now being mocked once again in comments on the page. Jalopnik comments, "We're sorry, but if your vehicle is ugly from 3/4 front and 3/4 back it's just ugly and we doubt more detail is going to change that."

    Honda, however, apparently has no plans to change the design. Honda spokesman Chuck Schifsky tells Kicking Tires, "We're confident with the styling." Schifsky "suggested that people need to see the Crosstour in person and on the road before leveling criticism. He also said that it's a little bigger than the Accord, so possibly the larger grille won't seem so off-putting in person."


    Well at least Honda is now taking some pressure off Subaru, in terms of controversial styling.
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