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Here's the original study:
http://enews.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/EETD-SUV-Safety.htm- l
One of the authors works at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory.
Note: Edmunds is putting an extraneous space and dash into the html file extension on save. Not sure this link will work, but the URL is otherwise correct.
-brianV
But it's not taking the driver demographic into account. Look at the Avalon - it's almost a zero risk to other drivers, but that's most likely because it has older, safer drivers behind the wheel. I'm sure it would do more damage in a same-speed collision than a Jetta would.
So it only tells part of the story, but still, it's interesting.
-juice
If I need to redo the floors in a few years, I'll paint first.
Eric
They did examine driver demographics. That's part of the story. They found very little difference due to gender or age regarding SUV's - it may be that drivers of SUV's overestimate their risk and drive more aggressively, regardless of age or gender.
-brianV
-juice
I did see a table with the demographics for every vehicle - some of the differences were large as you suggest.
They would need to perform a factor analysis to tease this out. I didn't see that they did so.
-brianV
Unfortunately, we're going to be refinishing most of the house so it's going to be pretty nasty. The current owner had carpeted over the original hardwood in the living room, dining room and hallways. Luckily, the hardwood is a nice and thick oak so it should turn out nicely.
Ken
Carpet even in the dining room?
I suffer from asthma so getting rid of carpet is almost a hobby. I love hardwoods.
-juice
Anyone else think Audi's Pikes Peak concept looks a LOT like Infiniti's Bionic Cheetah? Cool concept, though.
How is BMW going to make the X3 roomy enough if the X5 is already so small? Plus, did anyone notice they stole surplus Forester rims for the concept? LOL
The Buick Centieme looks alien-like, maybe half way between the old Chrysler Citadel concept and the new Murano, including the blind spots. I don't see how it improves on the Rendezvous.
Autoweek liked the Sixteen, but I think it looks absolutely cartoonish. Hey look! It's Roger Rabbit's car! The hood is ridiculously long. Looks like one of those cheap kits that started with an '80s Mercury Cougar and replaced the front half with an old looking model kit.
-juice
Perhaps, but it's MUCH better looking than the Rendezvous. Still a Buick though...
<< Autoweek liked the Sixteen, but I think it looks absolutely cartoonish. Hey look! It's Roger Rabbit's car! The hood is ridiculously long. Looks like one of those cheap kits that started with an '80s Mercury Cougar and replaced the front half with an old looking model kit. >.
You need a long hood with 16 cylinders. I read that the engine is an OHV unit, not DOHC. The hood opens like butterfly, just like those hoods of the 1930s.
Bob
The Chevy SS is ugly from every angle, and the Corvette is supposed to be styled like this? Yuck.
Avenger looks a little out of proportion - the green house is way too small for that body. But any AWD V6 would be more exciting than a Stratus.
The new Durango looks like those angry kitchen appliances Lutz was talking about. A Hemi with a 5 speed sound good, but a live axle on this behemoth? Why? It's too big to go off road. That 3rd row still won't have a foot well where you can put your feet. Leave Jeep for the off roaders, and make the Durango more civilized.
-juice
Cadillac should build a car for this century, don't you think?
-juice
The Durango is still a concept, and not the real-deal yet. I understand about 85%, if not more, of what you see will occur. I don't think it has a split 3rd-row seat, which is a HUGE mistake.
Bob
The rear side door windows also roll down, at least part way, like the Mazda minivan. The styling still is Toyota ultra bland...
Now that Toyota has upped the ante, I feel more certain than ever that Honda will match Toyota, and offer a few more goodies still.
Bob
-mike
Bob
-mike
Bob
-mike
I do recall our Odyssey bet. Thing is, the Sienna sort of changes the rules a bit. For Honda to offer any sort of breakthrough, they really have to get creative now. I bet the Honda designers are going back to the drawing board, to come up with all that and a bag of chips.
I didn't realize the Sienna's rear window even opens - that would make it truly complete. It's not missing anything at all, really.
The Dodge Kahuna is kind of wild. I wonder is those canvas tops will ever make it here.
I'm surprised they manage to get the Tomahawk on stage under its own power. Must've been a real balance act for the rider.
On the Ford 427, those "squircles" looks more like ovals to me. The headlights look goofy, but I like the grille and the rear 3/4 view.
Major kudos to the Freestyle FX. I love it. This could replace the Taurus. It's attractive, versatile, and not too big. It's a Baja and Outback all in one. Edmunds likes it too, though Autoweek sort of brushed it off. I'm with Edmunds on this one, thumbs up!
-juice
Bob
We meet in the AM at the Subaru stand. Check all the Subies out first. Grab a lunch somewhere as a group, then head back to the show and sort of browse all the other stands. At least that's what I'd like to do.
We have to strike a balance between getting to see everyone, and finding time to browse the vehicles. Last year worked very well because Bob and I went at a fairly quick pace. I'd like to do the same thing again - the train worked well.
-juice
-juice
Bob
-juice
I like the Mustang. They should touch-up the rear, but it looks good. Family resemblance without looking old. Fix the silly interior though.
The SVT Lightning looks solid. I like the Expedition front end, and the super duty look to the doors, looks beefy. Nice interior, too, similar to the SUV. Looks like a car interior, not a truck interior. Check out how deep the cargo bed is, too.
The Studio E hints that Honda could make a panel van out of the Element, for customization. Could be interesting, since it's not an ideal setup for carrying passengers (just 4, and the front passenger has to remove his seat belt for the rear passenger to get out).
The Hyundai OLV is hideous and doesn't even have any new ideas worth mentioning.
Do you like the Triant's smiley face? It's hilarious, more than the original Neon, this car says "Hi". It's dorky, put this concept straight in the trash.
-juice
Ken
uh, guys? the french word for 100 is "cent."
Centieme, IIRC, is the french word for "penny," as in, $.01....
when we have a date set you could *cough* visit client *cough* here in the Northeast. ;-)
-Dave
the reasons live axles still exist in trucks is because of weight capacity and durability.
the new F-150 better have some seriously beefy CV joints... even still, many will be wary of it until "proven" a few years down the road.
-Colin
How long has the turbo Legacy been rumored? I can recall that rumor surfacing shortly after the current-generation Legacy was introduced, which was well over three years ago—and it's still over a year away!!
http://www.detnews.com/2003/insiders/0301/24/inside-68238.htm
Bob
Kia Slice, funny name no? I say tame it a little and go ahead and build it. It could be a cheap little people hauler.
Murcielago drop-top? Sure, I'll take one.
Navicross is a waste. Looks like a recycled Ford 49 concept with a lifted suspension. Outback sedans sell very poorly, don't even bother.
Kubang is even uglier than the Cayenne. When will sports car manufacturers understand that their styling doesn't translate into an SUV?
Edmunds calls the Washu a crossover, but to me it's just a freaky looking minivan. I prefer the MPV anyway.
-juice
The Murano didn't appear cheap-looking on the inside. At least they used real aluminum, rather than the aluminum-colored plastic like that found on the Forester. Also, the WRX interior, in many areas looks pretty cheap. Yeah it has great seats, but the rest is pretty low-rent, IMO.
Bob
Greg
-mike
Greg
-mike
The Altima does have a cheap interior, but I think it's a fair trade off for given the price and engine output. It's configuration sets it slighty aside from other Japanese sedans in it's price range.
Perhaps the reason why luxury car owners are less likely to complain is that they get better service when a problem occurs. For example, the Lexus dealer near my office will provide you with a loaner that is the same, if not better, than what you drive. Also, the more you pay, the more pre-paid maintenance you tend to get.
Ken
Before Renault/Goshen got involved, Nissan was soon to be on the verge of collapse. Subaru has GM's deep pockets now, so "new product" should be more forthcoming—quickly, I would think.
Bob
Haven't seen the Murano up close but I'll take your word for it. Even the Infiniti G35 didn't impress me, though. It's at a level where Nissan should be.
I much prefer the Legacy interior right now. I hope the 2005 doesn't get all kinds of fake aluminum/chrome.
I wonder if GM has helped Subaru financially. Doesn't seem like they've had much influence at all.
-juice
Bob
-juice
Cheers Pat.
http://warnerrobert.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=0- - 00282
Bob
Man, it's funny to read some of the responses to the thought of putting the IRS on there. Those guys love their trucks!
-juice
-mike
IRS, as you know is on the the Hummer which has ~ 10,500 GVW. Oshkosh also makes several severe-duty trucks with IRS, so it can be done on "work" trucks. As I said, it's more a matter of overcoming long-held prejudices that many truckers still hold.
Bob
I guess if they want to lower the bed height for easy lift up, they could, but then consumers would complain that it looked to lowered.
-juice
Bob
-mike