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I think all GM executives should be dragged to collector car auctions and be allowed to see how nuts the crowd goes for '57 Chevies and 60s Chevelles and Camaros and then they should be locked in a room until they figure out how to do that again!
"Muscle Cars" were, after all, big engines stuffed into "small" (by 60s standards) bodies. So modern muscle cars should be able to combine good looks, a reasonable size and lots of power that people can afford. American cars just aren't fun anymore!
Also, try a search engine search (like www.google.com) for "Camaro project cars" or just "project cars" and see what comes up
BTW, he's been looking for one like it ever since
My wife and I were out for a cruise in my '70 Cuda when the guy in front of me in a GTP starts waving his hand out the window. So I waved back through my windshield at him and his little boy who was standing up backwards in his seat(good thing we have all those car seat laws in NY for everyone to ignore). As we come up to a very sharp right hand corner the guy slows to about 35 mph sticks his hand out the window again and motions with his index finger for me to follow him,then punches it. He must of read too many articles on how bad old cars handle and figured he would kill me around the corner. To make a long story short,my wife was laughing as I passed him when I could see up the road,his boy was clapping and he just looked kind of deflated,as my 30 year old Mopar growled at him through her duel glasspacks.
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IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME OUT, I WOULD MORE THAN GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
I guess my question is where can I find a back spacing table for different tire/rim configurations?
245/45 14 up front
your probably wondering how that works. Well, it doesn't. I can only ride by myself. Any extra weight and it's ridiculous. I got the rims & tires off a chevelle SS that was just sitting in some guys yard.
So I didn't even bother checking sizes. But let me tell you, they look so badass. Theres so much rubber under my wheel well its great. too bad I can't turn it yet.
How about the 62 Olds Jetfire? Turbocharged 215ci aluminum V8. Got to ride in one of those and the sound of the turbo spooling up while getting pushed back in the seat was pretty cool.
1970 W-30 442. Torque monster at about 500ft lbs. Learned high performance driving in one of these. Not only did it accelerate like a banshee, it handled pretty good in the twisties.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
Yeah by the late '60s some musclecars were over the top which should have been an indication the writing was on the wall. Of course some people woould say every musclecar was over the top--that's their appeal.
It's really kind of amazing what the size of the high performance OEM business must have been like. Add in all the complete engine assemblies via parts departments, whole ecosystems of parts like all the Shelby junk that was available, plus goofy stuff like cross boss/inline autolite 4v and it shows what we've lost by building cars in a more 'atomic' fashion.
While I'm on the topic, its really pretty funny how 30 year old manufacturing processes (using mostly paper record keeping, I imagine) were somehow able to build so many variants and options. Just looking at old order sheets really brings this out (ie the number of optional drivetrains, colors, interiors, etc etc). In addition, those guys somehow could build a convertible with only a $150 delta or so. I suppose that given only so many engineering man hours (even including CAD/CAM and things like computer driven machining equipment for fast turn on prototypes) that the time is spent building vehicles with 5x the complexity and that time must be made up elsewhere, in this case by reducing the number of car lines and options.
1) Improved materials (ie reciprocating parts alloys)
2) Improved design (ie modern connector designs)
3) Improved care in assembly (ie better line monkeys)
4) Improved assembly techniques (ie robots)
5) Improved fabrication techniques (ie CNC)
I can't say that it's a clear win for modern manufactured goods (although a lot of things *are* better). Modern engineering cycles allow not only improvements but cheapening of design. One quick example is transmissions/rear ends which are built to barely meet load requirements. In addition, shoveling complexity all over the vehicle implies difficult debugging (witness the 1 zillion messages concerning Silverado vibrations, I'm sure the Chevy engineers thought they were being clever in the new truck, but ended up changing too many things at once).
If anything bums me out, it's the slow death of high craftsmanship in manufacture. It happened with cars long ago, but a good example can be found in musical instruments. The Japanese have made real inroads into making well-made, consistent wind instruments (along with the Europeans ), but you know what? earlier instruments not only show a much higher level of finish quality (such as engraving) but *sound better*. Early US built horns (especially from just before WWII) and European horns built up to and through the '60s are superior (and handmade).
The point? That the grind towards lowering the labor input in products has resulted in pablum. We're heading for a world of PC-like, shrink wrapped, 'no user servicable parts inside', appliances. Something is being lost here.
Its nice to hear that some one like sideways68 just got their first muscle car, have fun with it, but remember you will get more great comments making it stock and beautiful, and raise the value, most of us looking for these kind of cars start deducting money because how much it will cost to get it stock again. My 10 year old loves the look of a stock muscle car, ive told him over the years how much more respect the stock cars got by the owners, i just paid a little over $900 dollars just for a radiator for my vette just to keep it stock, when i could have been cheep and got one for $269. Lets make them last! have fun!
Wait, you just did...well, I won't respond....oops.