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  • fitzyfitzy Member Posts: 5
    Merry Christmas fellow Subies...I know it sounds corny....but what the hey.... does anyone know if Patty is no longer answering the peoples issues as a rep for Subaru...I have not had any issues yet but I know she was well respected by the people who use this forum.....

    I am approaching the end of my 3 year 36K and was thinking about purchasing the extended......would YOU recommend it or what has been your experience??

    Thanks
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Getting all four new tires is probably the best bet. However, it can get expensive so you may want to look into the option of finding two used tires of the same model with approximately the same wear.

     

    Check with some tire stores. Usually, the larger chains have access to more inventory so you might have more luck there. In any event, you should measure the circumference to be sure.

     

    I ran into a similar problem with my Forester. I had about 20K miles on my tires when I had a unrepairable gash in my sidewall. Luckily, my local tire shop was able to find someone who had just unloaded a set of the same tires with approximately the same tread wear. I measured it, and it was within the circumference tolerance so I was able to save some money.

     

    Ken
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Depends on how long you plan to keep the car, how reliable it has been so far, and how worried you are about future repair expenses. Don't forget the powertrain warranty goes for 5/60K.

     

    Historically, these types of warranties are a cash cow for the manufacturer, and not in favor of the consumer. However, if you are one of the few consumers who has a major problem it sure is nice to have the warranty! So I think it has to be a personal decision for each person. FWIW, I have never gotten warranties on the Hondas and Subarus I have owned, and have never regretted that.

     

    Craig
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Thanks everyone. I knew the answer since I too have read the posts on tire replacement ad nauseum. I was just hoping maybe there was some per axle loophole I'd find. Plus my family wasn't taking MY word for it that mom needed four new tires. So your words lent some credibility. :-)

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year All!

    Elissa
  • eric102eric102 Member Posts: 122
    I have a 1913 Model T (in pieces) and if I remember right it doesn't have much in the way of brakes, haven't driven it since I was a kid. I think the brake pedal is connected to a band in the transmission which gives you some braking to the rear wheels through the drive shaft, assuming the band material isn't burnt up to bad. There is a hand operated parking brake (small shoes and drum) on the rear wheels, which really wouldn't slow you down much. Nothing on the front wheels.

     

    Of course, with a one speed transmission you aren't going really fast anyway. A 2 speed rear axle was an option on some versions of the T.

     

    Later models may have had better brakes.

     

    Eric
  • rwoodsrwoods Member Posts: 129
    Eric,

     

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the Model T. Someone mentioned 22hp. And I imagine the roads were pretty bad in 1913, not more than dirt. We certainly have come a long way.

     

    Merry Christmas

     

    Bob

    Long Island
  • crashton6crashton6 Member Posts: 245
    Elissa you can tell Mom that Chuck also thinks you should get 4 new tires on that Suby along with the alignment. Mom might save a couple hundred now, but down the road it could cost her thousands.

     

    Merry Christmas to all!!! ;-)

     

    Chuck
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    that's normal. safety windows I guess. partially due to the design of the door too. a lot of vehicles still do this as well.

     

    -Brian
  • mnfmnf Member Posts: 405
    I sure wish it go all the way down also but your right our Honda and Lexus are the same. I guess they dont want anyone jumping out
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    In recent years, I can't remember having a car with rear windows that went all the way down. As far as I know, they are all like that now. I think it's a child/safety feature, possibly government mandated?

     

    Of course, another reason is the way rear doors are shaped nowadays -- it would be physically impossible for the windows to go down all the way, regardless of safety features/etc.

     

    Craig
  • blacksubbiblacksubbi Member Posts: 1
    Hi Craig, I'm a proud owner of a 2004 WRX. Just bought it a month and a half ago. So far, I love this car (I went from a Taurus). It's a blast to drive, great in the snow with my new snow tires but the paint chips are crazy!!! I'm sick to my stomach over this. I'm going to look for Langka (sp?) product I've been reading about on this blog but am not sure where to locate it in Ottawa, Ontario. Do you know any major distributors in Canada? Also, is it worth pushing this issue hard with my dealer and Subaru? Less than 3500km on the car. One thing about the Taurus, it didn't chip like this but it also didn't go like an untied colt at a green light!

     

    Dave
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, WRX paint is a bit fragile. If it's possible, consider getting a clear-bra type of product applied to the leading edge of the hood, and possibly other forward facing areas.

     

    The only place I know of to buy Langka is through the internet -- try www.langka.com.

     

    CRaig
  • DonluceDonluce Member Posts: 41
    Does Subaru make a "Hood Protector" that will work with Turbo XT?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Don Luce
  • lrossnmlrossnm Member Posts: 36
    I just purchased an '05 silver Outback 2.5i. I want to protect the gloss of the paint as best I can.

    How long should I wait before I wax the paint?

     

    Suggestions on what is best product to use?

     

    I'll most likely have it done at a detail shop.
  • saedavesaedave Member Posts: 694
    I seem to remember that maximum braking was obtained by depressing all three foot pedals at once (low, reverse and brake bands). That meant one foot had to press two! Of course I have not driven a Model T since 1947. At best the braking was terrible.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Which XT? I know they have one that works with the Outback XT (in fact they have two deflectors for the Outback, one specifically for turbo models).

     

    CRaig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Wax it as soon as you can. Personally, I like using Klasse products.

     

    Craig
  • DonluceDonluce Member Posts: 41
    The XT Forester.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Don Luce
  • roadtripperroadtripper Member Posts: 22
    another place that makes a clear bra-type of thing is rockblocker.com. i've heard much praise for their products.
  • rwoodsrwoods Member Posts: 129
    Got to try my new Suby OBXT in two inches of white stuff. Utterly steady with no slippage when accelerating or braking. I think this bodes well for the future. And this is with the stock tires, the much maligned Bridgestone RE92s!
  • kev_xt_ownerkev_xt_owner Member Posts: 41
    I'm doing a bit of driving back and forth to Iowa from Kansas during this holiday period. After reading comments about the tires again and after my grandma's (non-Subaru vehicle) tire went flat this weekend, I've thought about a "what if?" situation for the Forester.

     

    The Forester comes with a full-size spare but the comments all say that a new tire should be within 0.25" circumferences but it's more likely that a spare tire will be replacing a used tire. As such, it's unlikely the spare tire will meet that requirement. The owner's manual gives no particular guidance about driving precautions when using the spare tire. In the past a friend told me that for a FWD car with a non-full-size spare, it's best to put the spare on a rear wheel and to use a full size tire on the front (even if this involved changing out two tires). Other than getting the flat tire fixed and put back on the vehicle, does anyone have additional guidance about where to put the spare or precautions when driving on the spare?
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    2" of snow is easy for any tire, unless there is ice underneath.

     

    Sly
  • rwoodsrwoods Member Posts: 129
    Sly,

     

    I should do everyone a favor and buy 4 Blizzaks like I did years ago. We had four soft winters in a row on Long Island and I never got to play with my snow tires as I traded the car in.

     

    Bob
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    I hear ya' on that one. I have Blizzaks for my 98 Outback. I bought them this year after never having dedicated snow tires in the past. We have only had a dusting of snow so far this winter. Go figure.
  • bigcbigc Member Posts: 9
    If the oil filter installed is not of the anit-drain back variety, you can experience a "noisy" start. Fram filters are notorious for this unless you pay more for one of their higher end filter.

     

    If the noise happens for a few seconds then goes away, this is a definite possiblity. If it happens longer than that, it's most likely something else.
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    If the oil filter installed is not of the anit-drain back variety, ...

     

    On the H4 engine, the filter is mounted vertically on the botton of the block, so I don't think the oil can "drain back".

     

    DaveM
  • aviatorvisaaviatorvisa Member Posts: 21
    I took a 300 mile drive over to the artic Chicagoland area over the weekend (temps in the single digits) and noticed a strong fuel odor getting sucked into the cabin while I was driving around town after buying a tankful of gas. I had to used the recirculate button on the heater to keep the fumes out. The problem corrected itself on my way out of town, the temperature had risen to a balmy 25°F when the problem corrected itself. Here's some more info: when I fueled up on my arrival in Chicago, my subie was quite thirsty to gulped down 15.0 gallons. I've made the drive several times and it usually takes between 11.5-13.0 gallons (depending on traffic, road work, headwind etc.). There wasn't much traffic on this particular drive. Any ideas? My thought on this is that it was a problem at the gas station, the pump didn't shut off and the fuel receovery system on the car became saturated. Anyone know if that's a good guess or could it be something else? BTW the car in question is a 2001 OB Ltd. w/58k. Thanks.

     

    Al
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    That's a pretty good guess Al. Of course, if you were leaking fuel somewhere, that would also explain the "apparent" high consumption.

     

    One thing to check -- look under the hood around the area of the fuel filter near the driver's side strut tower. Check for signs of leakage or tension in the hoses. Trace the fuel path in both directions from the filter, continuing to check for leaks/issues.

     

    Subaru did have an issue in the 02 Impreza where the fuel lines would contract in cold weather, thus putting pressure on the clamps and causing leaks. So keep your eye out for that sort of thing.

     

    good luck!

    Craig
  • river7river7 Member Posts: 17
    I have a 2000 OBW Limited 5MT and after sucking it up and paying for 4 new rotors and all after 48K miles or so I now am waiting for a call from my dealer telling me I need a new clutch too!!! I only have 61.5K miles on this car!!!! I feel like I am always pulling cash out of my pocket to make up for Subaru not realizing that the car weighs 3600lbs. Brakes went early, now I have premature clutch replacement for $1,300!!!!

     

    I was about to buy an '05 in addition to this one for my wife, needless to say I am thinking that one over again. I loved this car bu I have only owned this thing since May 2003 and I have roughly $2500 sunk in out of pocket costs, this is nutts. My VW wasn't even this bad.

     

    Patti is there anything I can do to keep from going broke with this thing?

     

    Thanks

     

    SJ
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I wouldn't worry about it unless you are needing to do hundreds of miles on the car before the repair happens on the original.

     

    If you do, maybe air down the spare 3-4 lbs to make up the difference? (or, air up the other 3 and keep the spare at 29 psi).

     

    I plan to replace the spare with my best worn out Geo when I purchase new ones.

     

    John
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    That's how snow tires work, you put them on and it stops snowing :)

     

    Kind of like the link between car washing and the weather, if you need nice weather on a weekend, be sure not to wash your car, otherwise it will pour!

     

    Sly
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    SJ,

     

    Sorry to hear about your car woes. Did you actually notice any symptoms of brake and clutch wear or are you doing as the dealer suggested? There are some dealers that unfortunately push some unecessary repairs and replacements so I'm hoping that isn't the same in your case.

     

    Brake rotor replacement is only necessary if the rotor thickness is below the minimum. That can happen through regular braking or through machining -- often done to help cure warped rotors.

     

    Is your clutch slipping or is it simply chattering? If it's the latter and not bothering you, you probably can continue to drive on the current clutch. If the chatter is bothering you, you can get the flywheel resurfaced along with a new clutch disc for less money than a full replacement.

     

    Do you have access to other dealers or independent shops? Brakes and clutches are pretty basic repairs so there's no absolute need to use a dealer.

     

    Ken
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    Well in that case, I guess the Blizzaks work great then!!

     

    Karl
  • aviatorvisaaviatorvisa Member Posts: 21
    Thanks Craig. I looked at the hoses and didn't see any signs of leakage. I guess if I was leaking, it wasn't enough to leave tell-tale signs but I'll certainly keep an eye on it. I don't think I want to be driving a fireball on the interstates!

     

    Al
  • conn2003conn2003 Member Posts: 3
    Hi

    I can't put my 1996 Impreza Outback automatic in gear until I warm the car up for about 1/2 hour in cold winter. The button on the stick won't go in until the car warms up. Any suggestions
  • arnoldbarnoldb Member Posts: 9
    When descending my driveway and street, both rather steep, I often experience a clunking sound and a grinding feeling in the brake pedal. I have been able to duplicate this same occurrence on other steep hills.

     

    While I have taken the vehicle to the dealer for service, I was told that they were unable to duplicate the problem and that everything was normal. I rejected the assessment and insisted that there was a problem. I have owned and driven 4 vehicles in the time I have lived here and I have never encountered any similar experience with any of these vehicles.

     

    The head of the service department at Southern Oregon Subaru was courteous and helpful and offered to take my vehicle home to try to duplicate the problem on his own steep driveway. He provided me with another 2004 Outback wagon for the evening. The results were most interesting.

     

    Not only was the head of the service department able to duplicate the problem in my vehicle, the vehicle he loaned me did the same thing on my hill the following morning en route to pick up my own car. The service manager spent considerable time on the phone with Subaru of America but was also unable to explain what exactly is causing this odd behavior.

     

    Subaru responded that the behavior "was normal for this make and model". If it is "normal", why can't anyone tell me what it is.

     

    Worse, yesterday I experienced another incident that placed my family in peril. I now consider the vehicle to be unsafe under certain weather and terrain circumstances. I demand an explanation as to what Subaru intends to do about this potentially dangerous flaw in the vehicle.

     

    While descending my step hill with wet, slippery snow covering the road, I placed the vehicle in first gear (it is an automatic transmission) and began to use the brakes to slow the descent. Do not think I am an inexperienced driver nor that I had the brakes locked. Neither is the case. I applied the brakes gradually and pumped them only to find that each time pressure was applied to the pedal a series of violent clunking noises and radical vibrations were felt through the brake pedal. It was a frightening experience and unacceptable performance for a vehicle as highly touted as Subaru.

     

    Is Subaru telling me that this “normal” behavior is acceptable? I reject such a notion. Worse, I now feel unsafe in this vehicle and fear for the safety of my family.
  • river7river7 Member Posts: 17
    Brakes we warped to all hell at 45K and shook like the dickens atopping on the highway. Clutch slipped so bad that I almost got killed merging onto the highway the other night. Not the dealer....just a 2000 OBW in the first model year with decent milage on it. I made the mistake of actually driving the car and therefore everything was out of warranty.

     

    Bottom line is I'm screwed. I need a new clutch $1,406. New Exhaust Y Pipe $358. New belts $90. Total $1855. Total in my last 12 months $3,000. Yup $3000 in out of pocket costs not including $600 for tires last week.

     

    So since they only will give me $10K for my car as is and I owe $13,400 because I paid a premium for Suby reliability I will probably wind up with either a 2002 Ltd or 2003 OBW off their used lot for a total of $22,606 financed and again I will be screwed. Nothing like oweing $22,606 for a car worth $17,500ish.

     

    This has ruined my Christmas.

     

    I don't have many choices and SOA said "sorry our products disappointed you but there is nothing we can do". I have raved about my Suby since I got it and raved about my dealership and this is the final result. You have to be kidding me.

     

    SJ
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    three questions for you, Arnold:

     

    1) have you ever owned a vehicle with ABS before? the brake pedal will pulsate when it engages and you will hear the actuator motor(s) especially at very low speeds or sliding to a stop. this is normal.

     

    2) in your wet, slippery snow descent example that sounds a lot of like a typical misuse of ABS. do not pump the break pedal in a vehicle equipped with ABS. did you attempt to just keep the pedal down and see what occurred?

     

    3) in your driveway example is this also when it is wet and slippery? has this problem ever occurred on dry ground?

     

    please take no offense to any of this. I am not attempting to make you feel silly or look bad.

    I am here to help, just answer as honestly and accurately as you can, and toss aside your ego.

     

    ~Colin
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    $1,406 is seriously excessive for a clutch job on any subaru. go to a clutch specialist, forget about the dealer. this will save you up to 50%.

     

    ~c
  • river7river7 Member Posts: 17
    Tell me about it, another dealer told me the parts are only $330 retail........that is what $79/hr for labor does for you.

     

    But as I said last post I want out of this money trap. I will never buy the first model year of a major change again, yikes.

     

    Nothing frustrates me more than fealing taken and I now feel taken.

     

    SJ
  • sooby1sooby1 Member Posts: 3
    '97 outback w/ 93k continually overheats and coolant backs up into the reservoir. Definitely air in the system but no matter how often I burp it more air gets in. New thermostat, radiator cap didn't solve the problem. When car is running can see bubbles in the coolant reservoir coming from the radiator over flow hose. Another indication that it is a blown head gasket. I've heard this is happening a lot to subarus. Anyone else have this problem and what did the dealer do?
  • rwoodsrwoods Member Posts: 129
    It sounds like you have anti-lock brakes and when you apply the brakes they kick in. That would account for the violent vibration. The first time I felt the ABS kick in was at 5am and I was half asleep. It practically jumped out of my seat it so shocked me. But now that I've had the experience I consider the noise normal.

     

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    But as I said last post I want out of this money trap. I will never buy the first model year of a major change again, yikes.

     

    the powertrain has not changed significantly if it all (in the case of the non-turbo models). if you're determined to switch, sadly I would advise not to get another Subaru. I really disbelieve that you will continue to have troubles and think that a replacement vehicle of any sort will certainly cost you more in the short and long run.. but this is probably an emotional choice by now, not a numbers one.

     

    however if you think the numbers are with you I'd like to see that sketched out! :)

     

    you should be able to find a clutch specialist willing and able to do the job for $500 or less labor. if they sell OEM parts great, if not they should do the job with parts you provide since they can't get them.

     

    ~c
  • river7river7 Member Posts: 17
    Thanks for the notes. While part is emotion I am also fully aware of the numbers (sadly I am a finance guy for a large company). We were going to trade this in for an auto 2003 last weekend because my wife prefers that and frankly we aren't getting a huge performance improvement with the stick on this car.

     

    The dealer was running a full mkt price trade in special that would have wiped my note clean at $13,400.....but they didn't have any 2002 or 2003 with decent milage on the lot at the time. So come 12/25 driving home and boom clutch issues 1 week too late. Merry Christmas to me!!!!

     

    It just sucks that SOA copped such a crappy attitude on the phone about their products. "Sorry our products dissappointed you but there is nothing we can do"......yeah great buddy.

     

    SJ
  • ppekppek Member Posts: 58
    Al,

     

    I'm not sure if this helps, but I know there is a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) out from Subaru on this issue (fuel smell in cold weather)for 2002 WRX's. The number is 09-36-03.

     

    The issue has to do with a fuel pipe under the intake manifold. I have no idea if this applies to your car?

     

    Paul
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    search nabisco on that fuel thing. it's a very widespread problem and AFAIK, few people that have experienced it have been able to get long-term satisfaction on a fix.

     

    good luck!

     

    ~c
  • arnoldbarnoldb Member Posts: 9
    Colin,

    no offense taken. I appreciate the questions since I want to resolve the problem.

     

    The most important question you ask is if the clunking/grinding happens on dry pavement as well. The answer is yes. That might rule out the ABS possibility.

     

    Also, if I wait until after the auto-tranny shifts before applying the brake, there is NEVER a clunk or grind in the pedal. And most interesting, after it happens the first time, I can go around the block and do the same route and can not make it happen a second time. Not until the vehicle sits for a long time.

     

    Yes, pumping brakes on ABS is not the way to do it. You are right there and I may have been doing that but the fact remains, even when keeping the brakes on, the vibrations and grinding sounds were so extreme that I felt I needed to release the brakes and try again.

     

    I have owned ABS vehicles before, I also own a Honda Accord with ABS, and have never had this problem with any of them until the Subaru.

     

    Thanks for your interest.

     

    Arnold
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    another question, does this always occur with the shifter in "1" or does it occur if you just leave it in drive also?

     

    now I'm curious if the center differential is binding up the front / rear.

     

    ~c
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    That is most definitely ABS activating, and I am kind of shocked you are blaming the car and calling it a dangerous flaw. You need to read the manual and educate yourself on how ABS brakes work. The symptoms you describe should be INSTANTLY recognized as ABS by any safe driver. When ABS kicks in, you need to keep the pedal depressed and not pump it -- that is absolutely the worst thing you can do. So please, read the manual and educate yourself on how ABS brakes work, feel, and operate. You and your family will be a lot safer.

     

    I think I am even more shocked the service manager did not recognize what was going on.

     

    Craig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I think the dealer is probably treating you like a cash cow. First of all, look at this TSB for the clutch:

     

    http://members.cox.net/craig.hunter/03-51-02R.pdf

     

    Is this the problem you are experiencing? Please give us more details on the problem.

     

    How many miles were on the car when you bought it in 2003? Did you notice the clutch problems then? Were teh cluthc problems documented at any time before the 3/36 warranty and/or 5/60 warranty expired?

     

    Depending on the answer to these questions, you may be able to get the clutch replaced free under the TSB. Let me know more details.

     

    If you are not experiencing the judder issue in the TSB, I would suspect the previous owner may have abused the clutch. They should last to 100,000 miles easily.

     

    Craig
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