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What's the nose look like?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Odd, but fun.
I can't see being in that segment and not offering at LEAST a manumatic, but a sequential manual? That WOULD put them a bit ahead of the rest of the pack. Lack of a manual was a mistake in this gen, IMO...
What gives. I know in the past Honda has limited the V-6 Accord to auto tran. only. Please tell me that this isn't the case with the new Accord.
NOW! everyone stop griping about bland styling because the same thing happens every time honda does something new...5 years from now when the 8th gen. accord comes out, you will all be saying the same things! lol. happy honda hunting!!!
Now, if only the power went to the correct wheels...
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They always make a great Accord that sells. They've just never made one that I personally want to buy. Just like Buick, they seem to be doing rather well without my input or my money... ;-)
The same thing happened in '98, the same thing happened in '93...etc...etc...
the honda accord, as you all know (or you probably wouldnt be here..lol) is one of the most sought after cars in the world.
maciavelli...i dont think your local dealer cares whether you pay his price or not...just like the Odyssey, Pilot, CR-V, and S2000...the next guy will.
Waat? Riiiiiight.
so your last message is invalid, and will be ignored until you make a point. what is funny and why is it funny? is it funny to everyone? or just you?
p.s. that cough is pretty nasty...is there a burning sensation that goes along with it? check into your local clinic...i dont want to catch anything....lol
As a matter of fact, back when the 6th gen. debuted, ONLY the V6 models went for MSRP, not the four cylinder models. Besides who in there right mind would pay MSRP for a new Accord LX with automatic tranny anyway. It's not like it's a Premium Sports sedan or something.
Also, you mention how the Oddy, Pilot, CR-V and S2000 all go for MSRP. Well, around here, the CR-V is going for Invoice, NOT MSRP...so there goes one. The other vehicles, however are more of niche vehicles, IMO. The Pilot is a new SUV from Honda, it's in high demand and b/c of capacity constraints, Honda can't keep up with demand. (At the local dealer in my area, a Light Blue Pilot LX has been there since they debuted.) Go figure... The Oddy is the same way, but the Accord? It has been of capacity, so I just don't see the Accord going for MSRP, not now and not ever. I could see $1000 above invoice, but anything else is just not worth it.
To add another point. Just look at the new Camry. Toyota is already offering financing deals on the Camry, and it's just a year old. After a full month of being on sale, one could get a new Camry for about invoice. Now the local dealer in my area is advertising all new Camrys for $20 below invoice. See what I mean?!?!?
Dick Dyer in Columbia, SC was at one time offering Camry 4cylinders for $500 BELOW invoice.
Too end this off.
As much as I love Hondas, I would never pay MSRP for a new Accord LX or EX, I'd just go out and buy a new Camry LE or SEI4 add Pkg. 2 and enjoy the power driver's seat that is STILL unavailable for the Accord LX or EX. Why pay MSRP for an Accord, when you can get a roomier, just as refined, slightly slower (V6 forms) Camry for invoice. Again, it's funny because you'd never get me into your dealer because
A) I'd EVEN take an Altima at invoice before I'd buy the Accord at MSRP
C) You can get a similarly equipped Camry for Invoice anyway so...which would I choose...hmmm...the Camry for Invoice?
D) It's not like the new Accord is a Nissan 350Z, it's a plain jane family sedan
They sell an item that is really only worth about $3, but they sell it for 5$, because the sign says it normally sells for $10.
They prey on people like you who would "not pay MRSP for any car". How about analyzing the car first and deciding how much it is really worth to you?
but i bought my wife the LX 2WD on the month of march only paid $17,700. is that below your msrp at your dealer.
Greetings from sunny Miami.
And there is a reason why I prefer to buy certain things from Walmart, though. It has little to do with Mr. smiley, more with real life price comparison and variety.
BTW, I paid $1600 under MSRP for my 98 Accord EX in Oct 97. Sometimes, I do agree however, that a car at MSRP may be better than another at its invoice. Still, I would make it a cent less. ;-)
One should go for the best deal they can, but to arbitrarily say that you won't pay MSRP for any car is a little stupid - if the car you want is a good value at MSRP and enough others agree with you, then that is no reason not to pay MSRP. I think some people view car buying as some game and they win if they get the dealer under MSRP the most. That's a stupid way to buy a car. I couldn't go out and get a big discount right now on a 350ZX, but the car is a great deal at MSRP. I certainly wouldn't want to go out and spend $20K more for a Boxster just because the Boxster had a $4K discount while the 350ZX sold for list.
And I wonder how many of you who think cars like the 2003 Accord are going to be heavily discounted have actually bought Hondas lately. Honda sales are holding up nicely and many Hondas are continuing to command MSRP, including the new CR-V which someone said is selling at invoice. There will be a some deals, but the car will likely be popular and discounts are not likely to be large in the first year, especially for the specialty models like the EX V6 Coupe.
Again, go for the best price you can on the car you like best - whether that ends up a big or small discount from MSRP is irrelevent.
- Mark
If Honda dealers can ask for MSRP+ and people are willing to pay, I'll bet you they could stock Honda lawn equipment too and charge MSRP+ for lawnmowers. And then, if that works, they could sell "near-luxury lawnmowers" at Acura dealerships for MSRP++!
2003 Accord coupe? 2002 Accord coupe is worth MSRP compared to the new model... comparing just rear styling, even.
And in this economy, I doubt the Accord sticks at MSRP for long. 2002 is not 98 or 93. Both of those years the economy was booming and there was less competition. In 2002, you have competition from many more places, like The Passat, upcoming Mazda 6, as well as from Honda's own Pilot and other cross-over SUVs.
bibbens, no offence, but you haven't met the guy, so I don't think it was fair for you to make that comment about his personality.
And I agree with wishnhigh1 that we can't get hung up over the MSRP. Ultimately, the car's merits compared to the competition, and supply and demand, will dictate what the final selling price is. That's why the Odyssey is still selling at MSRP. If Honda has priced it aggressively compared to the competition, maybe it will sell at MSRP forever. Let's say, hypothetically, Honda priced it a bit LOWER than the '02, would people still scream that there is no way they would buy at MSRP?
BTW, Honda expects the price of the '03 Accord to increase about 2% from the previous year. See http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=30718 for article.
THE ACCORD WILL SELL HERE FOR MSRP..WITH THE MAXIMUM ALLOCATION AVAILABLE TO ANY DEALER. 4-CYL. AUTOMATICS AS WELL...SOME MODELS MAY BE QUICKER IN DISCOUNTING THAN OTHERS...FINE...SOME MODELS MAY BE IN SHORT SUPPLY....FINE...BUT MARKET CONDITIONS (EVEN WITH THE "BAD" ECONOMY) DICTATE THAT THE HONDA ACCORD BE SOLD FOR MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE (MSRP FOR THOSE THAT MISTYPED ABOVE)
I THINK IT FUNNY THAT I, AS A DEALER, HAVE HAD PERSONAL RECORDS SET FOR VOLUME IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS, WHEN THE @%#$%# MEDIA HAS BEEN REPORTING A RECESSION. THE ECONOMY IS FINE...AND HONDA HAS NEVER TAKEN THE LOW ROAD TO A DEAL IE: 0% OR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN REBATES. AND YET...ITS 3 YEARS RUNNING THAT THE ACCORD IS THE BEST SELLING CAR IN THE WORLD.
...THANKS TO THOSE THAT UNDERSTAND THE RETAIL MARKET, AND SHAME TO THOSE WHO DONT LISTEN...'NUFF SAID I THINK.
Anyone interested in a Honda Accord should avoid Bowke and consult Troy Honda in Troy, MI, which will sell you an Accord for far less than Bowke. Buy a one-way ticket to the city, spend an evening at the beach up in Port Huron, then drive back to KY in your new '03 Accord that cost $3000 less than it would have if you'd bought it at Bowke Honda.
part of the thing in the detroit area is the fact that the "import" doesnt have quite the meaning that it does in other parts of the country...big 3 and all...
there are probably about as many honda buyers here in an area of 600k people as there are in the detroit area with 4 mil. different culture, different attitudes. they may have to give a honda away to compete with the big 3 up there...so be it...but dont venture past the yellow areas on your map, or you might just run into someone like me...lol.
the whole point is market conditions, bob. as long as there are people willing to pay all the money, we will ask for it. noone will pay all the money for a cavalier or a taurus or a caravan. they will pay all the money on the accord for a period of time. how long? your guess is as good as mine.
btw...there is not $3000 of markup in an accord...go to your research sites and do the math...$2445 markup on an exv6. less your few hundred over invoice and i come up with around $2000 less. maybe after the 1st of the year...we'll see...i'll be around, so ill let you all know when i sell my 1st invoice accord. see ya later.
Oakland Honda in CA, TAHT'S RIGHT! $1200 under invoice in THE BAY AREA.
i dunno about 03 when they come out though, but this was my experience with an 02, easy as breathing. anywayz, MSRP will never work for me, no matter where.
The '03 Accord should sell for the 2% markup over the '02 Accord and not appreciably more, since presently Accord sales are slumping. The sedan has been soundly surpassed by the redesigned Camry this year and is in danger of being surpassed by the Taurus/Sable before the end of the year, knocking Accord from #1 to #3 in just twelve months. American Honda, you can bet, is well aware of this. And given how undersized the new Accord is, I think it's going to have a difficult time moving upmarket in price while maintaining a sales presence. The only way Honda will sell Accords at MSRP is by cutting production in half. By all accounts, the new Accord continues to be smaller than the Taurus, Camry and now Altima as well, in terms of front room, rear room AND trunk cargo space. With the emergence of large sedans and crossover vehicles it appears that the big three were on the ball - the American public wants larger sedans and coupes with deeper seats, large trunks and rear headroom, and the Accord has survived by making up for its deficiencies in these areas by featuring superior build quality and value. However, I think people would be hard-pressed to say that modern Accord quality and value are appreciably better than Altima's or Camry's. I suspect the Bowkes of the nation are going to be shellshocked when they find people moving up to bigger, better built, more luxurious Camry sedans for $1000 less than the MSRP Bowke is going to ask for an Accord.
"the whole point is market conditions, bob. as long as there are people willing to pay all the money, we will ask for it. noone will pay all the money for a cavalier or a taurus or a caravan. they will pay all the money on the accord for a period of time. how long? your guess is as good as mine."
My guess is the first three buyers. And those people will never buy a Honda again after realizing what a dumb thing they let you get away with.
Anybody got the name of the largest dealership in KY? I'd like to send Bowke's posts to the manager and ask him what he thinks about his dealers bragging about their high prices on the internet...
Anderson Honda is now "Honda of Bloomfield" ... did you hear why, sphinx? Perhaps Toyota of Bloomfield bought them out? Heading Uptown? Or just looking for a 'new image'?
I wouldn't really want to shop at Suburban Honda or Anderson/Bloomfield Honda or Troy Honda. Jeffrey is a good dealer, and Tamaroff would make sense. Howard Cooper in Ann Arbor has high ratings.
Port Huron? Nope, buy a Honda in the Detroit area (or maybe up in Grand Blanc) and head up to northern Michigan. It's far away from obnoxious Honda salestypes.
As for the 2003 coupe: Edmunds has photos now. Very nice, not worth "more than MSRP" even though it is the definitive personal midsize coupe... but so was the 2002 model.
I don't know what the story is, although I did get some invitation to some "event" there that I just now realized was last Monday. Too bad, anyone who attended was supposed to get a free camping tent or something, and I was just thinking I could really use something like that next weekend. Oh well.
I do not like Tamaroff one bit. I don't know, the manager dude has this menacing stare. My sister called him "sketchy" and my fiance called him "skanky" - you be the judge. I am a big fan of Troy Honda. I can recommend Marina there in sales. Can't speak for Suburban Honda although I don't think I'll ever, ever buy anything at Suburban Acura after that sales dude pulled the "Yeah Prelude is an ok car but it's no Acura" line on me, then proceeded to call the S2000 "a car that doesn't really make sense" then smiled at me as though he expected me to smile back. Almost as smarmy as that Mercedes guy who said the S2000 was a nice car but "it's no SLK230." To his credit, he's right, and thank goodness!
"Port Huron? Nope, buy a Honda in the Detroit area (or maybe up in Grand Blanc) and head up to northern Michigan. It's far away from obnoxious Honda salestypes."
Oh, Port Huron is just for that nice beach and the gusty winds.