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any of you wish your accord coupe had height adjustable front seat belts? this has always bugged me about my car. seems it always catches me near my neck...any comments?
Kidding aside, I personally have no big issue with the vibrations in the car. Most likely it has to do with the speed sensitive rack and pinion or something like that... either that or the torque converter is pulling harder causing the vibrations from the engine to transmit thru the driveline and into the arm from the rack... i dunno....
I like the Mazda 3 and 6 both. IMHO, the Mazda 3 won't hold any resale though(I know, time will tell)... but realistically compact cars tend to take a bigger hit on resale than midsized cars. The mazda 3 is overpriced for what it is. If you get the 2.0 w/ AC, SAB/SAC, AT, Moonroof/6CD, and the power package it is MSRP at 18,830. For the 3s MSRP is 20,600 w/ leather, ABS/SAC, and moonroof package. I know I bought my Accord 2.4L EX 5MT for 20,4(MSRP of 22,100) if you go to autosite, they let you compare both cars. If anything, you can almost get a 6 loaded up the same for a couple thousand or so more, but there is a rebate available(or was).
Of course, it's all my opinion.
1. The XM satellite is always on the preview channel, I thought it came with 3 months free?
2. Is it strange that the passenger seat is not power? The car has almost every other option? Do they do that to save weight? Or so that you can put things in the back seat more easily? or are they just cheap?
Thanks
You can change the radio to any XM channel for a preview for some number of minutes. After that number is reached you can do the same on another channel.
That's as far as I've bothered to go with XM. There's no way that I'm going to pay ten bucks a month to listen to a car radio. Yes folks, I know that its slightly less expensive if you want to pay for a long term commitment.
As to the lack of a power passenger seat in the coupe... the seatback flips forward and the seat does an express trip forward when you pull the lever to permit access to the rear seat. I.e. the whole seat has to move out of the way and return to its original "memory" position quickly when you need to seat someone in front. There is no way to put a slow moving, electrically driven, mechanism under a seat that's not anchored in position.
then it needs to be activated. Call Xm and give
them the 8 digit code that flashes on channel 000
You have to wait 15 minutes on channel 001 after
talking to xm then you should be ready to go. My
dealer told me it was activated but it wasn't. Honda pays the activation fee and you get 3 months for free.
The Mazda 3 will have a lower resale value than the Accord - but IMO - not because its a compact - but because its NOT a Honda.
Even knowing this I bought the Mazda anyway.
Let me say in advance - that I know my logic is NOT correct - but it makes me feel better so don't slam me too bad.
I paid $3,800 less for the Mazda 3 than the best deal I could Find on an Accord. $20,300 VS $24,100. I figure that after 4 years the Accord will still be worth 50% of what I paid so about $12,000 - the Mazda will only be worth 35% of what I paid or about $7,000. So I would have "paid" $12,100 for the Accord VS $13,300 for the Mazda 3
$1,200 over 48 months is only $25 per month and an extra year of warranty - may be worth something.
In the end the Accord vibration played no part in the decision.
$24,100! Was that for the V6?
I purchased my EX-L Manual (4cyl) for $20,100+TTL
If it was the V6 why were you comparing it to a 4cyl MZ3? Or was that price a 4 cyl accord, auto, sales tax, tags, and paperwork all included?
What did you give up in terms of features by not getting the Accord? What did you get in terms of features by buying the MZ3?
Now I gotta change the tires on this car. These Michelin Pilot MXMs are weak. As soon as the weather improves it's time to put on some summer tires.
Enough posts about 4 cylinder vibration already! Let's move on people.
With the power seat adjustable for height, I have no problem with the fact that the seatbelts don't adjust up or down. I'm 6' 2"....I suppose if you are really short and can't raise the seat enough, the belt may rub your neck??
This Accord is nice, but I wish they would have tightened up the styling up front just a bit more. The optional fog lights look really cheap...why couldn't they have integrated them into the lower fascia like the Solara?
I got one extra year of warranty, better handling, more passenger room, 17 inch wheels and - IMO a much more fun car to drive.
Have fun with your new ride. It sounds like you made the best decision for you.
Besides I don't think you gave up too much on reliability side of things but only time will tell.
I'm guessing you got the (almost) fully loaded one then...
The point I was trying to get at was that for the price of the Mazda3 you could have gotten a Mazda 6i fully loaded(leather, roof, 17", bose, etc. for about 1500 more since there is a 1500 rebate on the 6's.
In my slight experience with auto's I have experienced that no matter what, midsized cars take less of a hit than the compact.
For example, you can easily find one year old (02)Civic EX's for about 12-13k while '02 Accord EX's are about 17-18k in my local paper. Considering an '04 Civic MSRP's at ~19k w/ auto and SAB, while an '04 Accord MSRP's at ~23k w/ auto(both EX)... lose ~30% of the value of the Civic in the first year, while the Accord loses ~20% of the value. Both are Honda's.
Same thing with Corolla vs. Camry, Focus vs. Taurus(bad example), Lancer vs Galant, etc...
I haven't bought a new car since 1998 and right now am under the impression that very few people are buying cars at MSRP because of the economy and other factors. Gunn Honda has several new 2004 Accord Coupe V6s (automatics) on their lot which are being sold for around $24,400. I told the salesman I thought a slightly lower price than this should apply to the manual Coupe V6, being that the manual transmission costs less. The $24,400 non-negotiable price on the coupes the dealer has in stock apply to those which have remained on the lot for approximately two months. The longer the car remains on the lot, the lower the price drops. Gunn Honda adheres to a non-negotiable price philosophy.
Am I mistaken in my thinking I should be able to buy a manual Coupe V6 somewhat close to the invoice price? Or is the manual version of this car so hard to find that the law of supply and demand takes over and dealers simply charge more for it?
Thanks for any help and advice. I would be willing to drive outside the San Antonio area to make my purchase if doing so will result in substantial savings, so any dealer recommendations would also be appreciated.
h0udini
The V6 6 Speed has the exact same invoice price as the Accord V6 Auto.
Another thing to consider is the V6 6 speed has some exclusive items other than the tranny. It is the only Accord to have a sport suspension, 17" tires & wheels, and the more powerful 180 watt stereo.
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There is no metal showing between the front of the fenders. Looks like it held together mainly by the bumpers.
Click on Front Side Airbags at the bottom of the following page and it will show you the airbags deployed.
http://hondacars.com/models/safety.asp?ModelName=Accord+Coupe
At least my experience down here in the Miami area, when i asked my agent about insurance cost whether i got the 4 or 6 she said there would be no difference just b/c of the engine, what really may affect the rate was whether it was 2 or 4 door. You can always contact the agent, they provided a quote on whether i got a 2/4 door and which trim, the differnces weren't that much. Maybe b/c insurance is so high already here!
I ask if lack of stability control in the accord coupe is a major flaw or minor item and you say, "neither." what does that answer actually mean?
One word: "nothing." Good luck on the complex questions.
He just twisted it in a clever way but that's what I think he meant to tell you.
What I was trying to ask was how important, or not, stability control is--what would I be missing, or getting, since so many other cars have it; if I had that answer for myyself I wouldn't ask about it.
I'm not sure how old the average participant is, but being cute and clever, not to mention obsessing about horsepower they can't use, seems to be the main deal.
The stability control works when cornering, taking sharp turns, etc. On straight roads it does not do diddly. Lets face it, on bad weather days, snow, sleet, etc. no one in their right mind will be blatsing or should be driving recklesly, use caution and common sense. The ABS is the same, these safeties are NOT gaurantees that you will not be in an accident. Its like some SUV drivers, they see the snow and continue to drive like mad people. What happens down the road, they are off the road, flipped, etc. A decent front wheel drive vehicle is great, add traction control and stability even better. They are all an assistance in an "attempt" to prevent you from getting into an accident. Use caution and common sense and you will be OK.
--thanks for the responses on stability control;
I am trying to decide between a 6mt honda coupe and a TL. Obviously, there are many other things to compare...I was just surprised that Honda probably wanted to save some bucks and not bother with stab control. As you've said, better to have it than not, but I guess it isn't a deal breaker. The price differential between the two cars might be, tho.
Also seems to me the driver's position and seats are better in the coupe; I wonder after a few months and all the interior tech toys in the TL lose their thrill factor, whether the car itself has anything over the coupe.
I have read, for example some POSTS here that many drivers cannot utilize the bluetooth technology found in the TL as of yet. Some phone companies, like Verizon is planning to have this technology in their phones sometime this summer. If you are willing to give up some toys, u will not lose on the Accord, great value for the $$$
How about on the freeway?
Johnny
There is about a $6000 difference between the base price of a new TL and the Accord 6spd coupe. Besides # of doors and interior space, the cars are not exactly apples and oranges. And the price points aren't even close. I think stability/skid control is nice to have, but not essential when you already have ABS and traction control. The Accord also doesn't have a limited slip differential, which was standard on the now defunct Acura CL coupe. But other than that difference, the Accord coupe is pretty close to the CL, but $3000 cheaper. It's a good value.
a load at 3500 rpm. With my V6 the engine hardly works out. There are some places where 75 is the limit and people regularly do 85-90, but 5th gear is fine for cruising the highway and you might have to downshift (to 5th) to pass. So as I say I think one would rarely use that 6th gear, unless they're in wide open spaces.
I would do this regardless of whether or not my cruising speed is 60 MPH or 90 MPH. In fact, I can't imagine why you would use 5th gear at 60 MPH (on the freeway, mind you) and not 6th.
It remains to be seen whether Honda will continue to offer the 6 sp MT in the Accord Coupe into the future, but I suspect they will. They sell too well not to. My real hope is that they'll offer the EX V6 Sedan in 6 sp at some point.
Johnny