2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • nacho2nacho2 Member Posts: 82
    Congratulations, you received a very good deal and a beautiful car. The best thing that you did was the 0 down, let me know how you like the vehicle. Any likes or dislikes would be appreciated. Even with the CSI score for the dealer ask for the mats to be included or other compensation. I don't mean to be a stickler but this is business and your hard earned money. Congrats again! Wish you the best. :shades:
  • keithrezkeithrez Member Posts: 12
    When you say no out of pocket, do you literally mean nothing, or just nothing other than the first month, sec dep and assorted bank fees and whatnot?

    Keith
  • 03celica0303celica03 Member Posts: 36
    Anyone know what the money factor will be for November on the 335 sedan? October's base money factor is .00200,I don't know if that is a good one.I will have to order my car and was not sure if I should lock in that Oct .00200 money factor. From what I understand you can lock in the rate when you order the car and if the rate is lower upon delivery of the incoming car you can get the lower rate from the month that you receive the car.My opinion is if the rate is lower at the time I receive the car the dealer will lie and say the rate I locked in is lower so they can make more profit . The dealer can mark up a money factor .00040 at a maximum above bmwfs base money factor. That money factor is not on the lease contract and you actually have to ask the dealer what the rate is. What a surprise it is always the max, that is why you have to negotiate everything else because if you don't see it in print ,you are getting beat. Sometimes it is better to just negotiate payment ,as long as you know what your cap cost should be.Your 825 acq fee can be be 625 and your maco or adv or dealer ser fee can be waived . Basically a lease has many other variables that the dealer plays with to confuse you.Well not us on this forum ,we are a team and a formidable one at that.
  • eval_cruxeval_crux Member Posts: 1
    I bought a 335i yesterday (it's on the ship over), but did not lock in a lease rate. Another salesman at the dealer said the money factor was .00275, which seems high to me. When I ran the numbers they didn't add up, as my car was 48,000 after a grand or so was taken off MSRP, and they offered a 36 month lease for 692 after 5k down. That number works out better without 5k down! but the difference (in this case) betwen .00275 and .002 MF is 50$ / month. I just have to figure out where that 5 grand went before my car gets here! :confuse:
  • jms1716jms1716 Member Posts: 2
    I was wondering if I was crazy to think that $685/month with $0 down is a lot for a 328i coupe with an msrp of $44,170. They told me that they would sell it to me for $42,170 which was $1000 over cost. they money factor was .0019 which was also their "cost" for the money, usually they sell it at .0023. The residual is pretty high on a 15,000 mile/year lease. Is it possible to get these payments under $600/month? Or am I just spoiled from my last lease when the cost of money ws a lot lower?
  • lcomplexlcomplex Member Posts: 17
    First time leasing here...please help me out!

    L.A. area in Cali

    being offered the 328i sedan - auto, xenon, metallic paint

    for $34145 (MSRP $35725)

    36 Months/ 10k per year $808.51 driveoff and $434.60 + tax/month
    36 Months/ 12k per year $818..55 driveoff and $443.91 +tax/month

    I think it can go lower since it's an 07...so please give me some pointers

    I'd probably go for the 12k lease if I am getting this car

    Is this a decent deal? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.
  • jms1716jms1716 Member Posts: 2
    I drove the 335 coupe 6 speed and was smiling and laughing-great car but is pretty expensive. The 328 is a very good and fun car but not the same. I wanted a bunch of options like nav, ipod and sat. Is it better to get the 328 with the options or the 335 trimmed down? Resale? Do I need premium package etc?
  • scottinkyscottinky Member Posts: 194
    thinking of upgrading my wife's 95 C220 MB. A while back she consolidated her
    credit cards and car into one loan payment (easy since she works at a bank).
    She owes 11.5k on it. The BMW dealer I am working with has 07 loaded executive
    cars available, these are loaded! He is estimating $4500 for trade (only 63K miles)
    leaving 7K neg. equity. Gross cap cost of $40,100, Money factor of .0018, $2500
    down payment of $2500 + sec. deposit, firt months payment and taxes. So,
    $4071.26 at signing, and $535.76 for 36mo LEASE. the car is a 6spd man. Any thoughts?
    Lease support ends on Oct 31.
  • 03celica0303celica03 Member Posts: 36
    .00200 is the base rate ,it can be raised to .00240 at max.for dealer profit. Don't think it is higher unless you are buying a coupe.5k down is a lot to lose if car gets stolen or wrecked ,I would do the multiple security deposits with the 5k to buy the money factor down.
  • bmw328leasebmw328lease Member Posts: 17
    I believe you could do better since it is an 07. The invoice on this is $33,515. I was offered the same car for about $200 over invoice. So you should be able to get the price down by a few hundred more.

    Email me and I can fix you up with a good deal here in LA.
  • bmw328leasebmw328lease Member Posts: 17
    Seems like you are paying a lot more than you should be. I got a 2007 335i with almost nothing down for mid-500s (incl tax).

    Anybody interested can PM me for additional info.
  • lcomplexlcomplex Member Posts: 17
    Hi sanjay,

    Sounds like you have got an excellent deal! :) Please help me out...I have sent you an e-mail
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,620
    Well done, Mr. Jet.

    I'm sure you'll enjoy the car.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • keithrezkeithrez Member Posts: 12
    I test drove both a 335i coupe and a 328xi automatic sedan, and just ordered the 328 on Monday. Yes, the 335 engine was definitely a monster, but I found that when the 328 was put into "sport mode", it took off like a bat out of hell. If you ask me, no need to pay $4000-$5000 extra for the probably uneccessary HP and torque. Throw in the probable lesser gas mileage as well.
    Also, the thing I liked about BMW over the MB C300 was the fact that I could the specific options I wanted a la carte instead of in a jumbo package. What options in the premium package are really important to you? Is it just leather seats? Power seats? If you go 328, then u are starting w a lower base and can prob get every option you want and still be close to the 335 price. Either way, you are dropping a lot of cake on a car, might as well get it exactly as you want it. Anyway, I got power seats, sirius and the upgraded stereo. I'll get a Garmin for my Nav. Good luck.

    Keith
  • 03celica0303celica03 Member Posts: 36
    I agree the 328 with only your options is cheaper . A 335i sedan would be cheaper than the coupe and would have the 1200 dollar stereo, $700 p.seats and would include adaptive zenon lights and a turbo engine. If you add it up a 335 it isnot much more
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Member Posts: 49
    I'm looking to order a 335i Convertible and was curious what other buyers out there are paying over invoice. Please let me know how well you did and where. Thanks.
  • keithrezkeithrez Member Posts: 12
    Just ordered my car and don't know what to do? Can anyone offer advice?

    Tnx

    Keith
  • kbinilkbinil Member Posts: 3
  • kbinilkbinil Member Posts: 3
    Oops, too fast on the "enter key". Anyway, are there any folks on this board from Chicago? Do I understand this right, that we have to pay tax on the full value of the car? This makes comparing lease deals to folks in CA, for example, impossible. What kind of lease deals on 328s and 335s are you seeing in the Chicago area? Thanks.
    Keith
  • shoehoardshoehoard Member Posts: 1
    I'm moving from FL to IL in the spring. I just leased a BMW X3 and was wondering what I'm up against with taxes up there. The Chicago Dept. of Revenue site was no help and I've been scanning the internet to find out how much I'll have to come up with or will have to roll into the lease payment. And that brings me to another question. Will I even have to register the vehicle in IL? My FL tags are good until 2009.
  • nwbmw1nwbmw1 Member Posts: 1
    Recently ordered a 328 conv from BMW Bellevue (Seattle Area) for MSRP minus $500 Costco discount and minus $500 BMWCCA rebate. Net savings $1000 off MSRP for a custom '08
  • amiramir Member Posts: 115
    i currently have e90 2006 330i sedan with auto sport/premium comfort access, mettalic paint.27000miles.can anyone tell me if 33k or 34k is a good price to sell.
  • dakineguydakineguy Member Posts: 46
    I have leased cars in the past and never felt that it provided much flexibility. I am planning to get a 2008 335i sedan in the next 30-60 days. I own a 2003 Acura TLS w/ 99k miles, and I own it outright.

    My questions are:
    - does it make sense to lease the 335i, if I plan to drive 18k miles/year?
    - what is a good lease deal for the 335i?
    - what should I do with the Acura? If I bought the 335i, I could use the money from the Acura to buy down the amount financed on the new 335i. Based upon what others have said, I should not use the money from the Acura as a cap reduction on the 335i.
    - if I lease the 335i, how many months is best to commit, given expected residual values?

    Thanks! :confuse:
  • 03celica0303celica03 Member Posts: 36
    Just leased a 335i sedan today. I had a 06 325i sedan with about 4,800 negative equity. The 08' 335i sedan was a 46,675 msrp,black sapphire met,terra leather. It has premium pkg, sport package, comfort access, steptronic auto trans, ipod adap.,met paint,and mats.I leased it for 36 months 10k miles with the 4800 negative equity added in the lease. $2100 down, $1,650 in inception fees total out of pocket $3,750. It was 570.00 plus tax per month. I thought that with the 4,800 negative equity added in and only 2100 dollars down to offset the negative plus the inception fees was very fair.
  • revelrevel Member Posts: 4
    This was my deal, just for anyone comparing. I really don't know if it's a good deal but worked for me:

    2008 328i auto, sport package, metalic paint, Ipod

    MSRP $37225
    Nego Price $35725

    Lease: 36 mo, 10k mi/year
    $3000 out of pocket at signing
    -$983 Fees, registration, taxes, First month.

    =$2017 Cap Cost reduction
    +625 acquisition fee

    Adj Cap Cost $34333
    Residual 64%
    MF .0022
    Tax 3%

    Payment/mo $435.80
  • guru_ckguru_ck Member Posts: 27
    2008 335i Coupe

    MSRP: $50,475.00
    Sell: $49,475.00
    Term: 36 months
    Miles: 10k per year
    MF: .00226
    Residual: Not sure, around 60% I think
    Purchase Option: $30,789.75

    UP FRONT:
    Security Deposit: $6400
    First Payment: $785.04
    Fees: $476.00
    Tax: $4.54
    Total: $7,665.58

    $785.04 a month... been to about every dealer in the Bay Area... this is the lowest MF so far.
  • happywithmybmwhappywithmybmw Member Posts: 1
    I got a MSO bmw 335i 2007 with every package and option but the navigation for 2000 total out of pocket which includes the first month, fees, tag, etc.. and 500 a month flat taxes included, is that a good deal???
  • pkangpkang Member Posts: 1
    awesome deal!

    i got 2008 328xi model w/ cold weather package & power seats for 3300 down, 389/month. its a lease special for the month, plus extra options added included in price. i think its a fair deal... any thoughts??
  • bmwmrc1bmwmrc1 Member Posts: 34
    Nacho, thanks. Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, but I've been out of town on business. Oh, and I did make them throw the mats in for free. So far, so good. I really like the pickup of the 328i, especially in sport mode. The car even without the sports package (my '03 5 series had sport and premium) handles beautifully. I love the ipod feature. Now I have more than 25 albums at my disposal. You won't even use your CD player. The mirrors fold in at a touch of a button. The rear-view mirror and side mirrors automatically dim and the blue tooth (comes with the premium package) is fantastic! Truly hands free. I highly recommend this car.

    Keith, as for nothing out of pocket, the only out of pocket was for registration in CA and that's it. I didn't even pay for the security deposit. No first/last nothing. Oh and my money factor was .0016. If I had gotten an '08, the money factor I negotiated was .00188. I hope this helps.
  • gumercindogumercindo Member Posts: 20
    I currently own a 2002 325i and I'm looking to trade it in (or sell) and move into either a CPO or an 07-08 328 4 dr.

    There seems to be a lot of leases on here - is that a reflection of better deals for leases than buys or just a general reflection of people's preference of a lease over a buy?

    Anyhow, I've gone back abuot 5-7 pages and can't find a reference to anyone buying a new or CPO here. What's the deal?

    Thanks!
  • amiramir Member Posts: 115
    I live in sothern California. and i wana know if i can purchase a 335i coupe @ invoice or a bit under.or whats the lowest u guys think the dealers are selling them @ the moment.
  • stoneman2stoneman2 Member Posts: 1
    Does anyone know the dealers who can sell bmw to Canadian in Windsor Ontario area?

    Thanks
  • talyvantalyvan Member Posts: 17
    You should have no problems since it's a contract already in place and in the worst case scenario, you shouls only pay the difference between what you have paid so far and the taxable amount. (full negociated price of the car)
  • talyvantalyvan Member Posts: 17
    Yes, you get charged tax on the full price of the car in IL (and TX as far as i know) for lease, if you have a trade-in, you pay only the difference between the tax of your trade and the tax on the new car (that is by law in IL, so if the sales rep tells you his giving you a credit on the tax because you're his friend, he is full of it).
  • talyvantalyvan Member Posts: 17
    The only way I can get close to those numbers is:
    MF: .00190 like you said
    Residual: 56% of $44170 = $23615.20
    Payments = $682.03/mo (including taxes, assuming 36 months, assuming 6.5% tax rate)
    Due at signing = Only your 1st month payment..

    IMO, they're giving you a very low residual considering that it should be 58% for 15K/yr (taken from Roadfly.com forums, lease rates reference for Oct07)
    36 Month – Residual 58% of MSRP – .00190 Base Rate

    Using 58%, will put you at $658/mo ballpark..

    The only way to get lower than that, is to jump into 39 months lease (which maintains the same rates and resuduals as 36) and it'll put you into the $618mo ballpark

    Good luck
  • jamen6jamen6 Member Posts: 2
    Hi I'm kind of in the same boat as the person you are replying too...Im looking for a really good deal on a bmw 328 and was seeing what you could do to help me. I was considering financing (because carfinder.com said that its 3.4 percent from bmw financial through nov. 30) or leasing....i just want to get a good deal. and pay as close to invoice as possible...but all the dealers here in LA don't want to negotiate. thanks
  • vinnynyvinnyny Member Posts: 764
    uneccessary HP and torque


    What is that?
  • mrmackstermrmackster Member Posts: 1
    I am new here, but love this forum (after spending many many hours reading through all these great posts) and am looking to go out this weekend. I saw this deal as well for $389 / mo. Does anyone have any advice about the lease special currently going on?
  • gumercindogumercindo Member Posts: 20
    Jamen6:

    You won't get a ton of negotiating as there's not much wiggle room off invoice cost for bimmers. Best bet is to get an internet quote from dealers in your area and compare. Then, go to the lowest bidder and try to knock down the price a little more.

    anyhow, relating to buying experiences, I'm curious as to what everyone thought of paying cash for the car. Are the dealers more inclined to negotiate the price if the transaction is completed that day? the financing seems like a pretty good deal, so paying all cash has given me some pause.

    Thoughts?
  • jackdelia4ujackdelia4u Member Posts: 26
    On 10-14-07 I bought a brand new 2007 328i sport wagon with 6 miles on the clock and with premium and sports package in silver/black for $38,325 from Vista BMW in Florida. From the Kelley Blue book value, this was the invoice price. Jack
  • scottydontscottydont Member Posts: 2
    Hi Everyone,

    This forum is great. Thanks for all the incredible info. I'm a new member, just signed up. Would really appreciate any comments on following deal, whether you think its good or not, any tips appreciated. Here is what I know:

    2008 328 xi: 3 YR/12K Lease
    Auto
    Cold Weather
    Premium
    Metallic Paint
    Sticker: $40, 925
    Selling Price: $39, 125
    Invoice: $38, 185
    $940 over invoice

    MF: .00205
    Residual: 63%

    My out of pocket is around $1, 178 which includes first payment, security deposit, title fee.

    Seems like a fair deal. What do you think?
  • scottydontscottydont Member Posts: 2
    Forgot to add my payment worked out to be $568 Tax included. On a side note I went and put down a deposit which will go towards my first month, security deposit(refundable). I am waiting to formally sign papers till I speak to a friend of mine at BMW finance. Curious if he can help me get a better financing deal than thru the dealer.
  • brokerrbrokerr Member Posts: 5
    I got 328i 2008 Sparkling Graphite Metallic with Premium, Steptronic and Navigation system.
    MSRP: 40275.00
    Sale: 38,000.00 with 3.90% APR financing for 60 months.
    OTD 41,544.54
    Is this a good deal?
    Thanks.
  • jackdelia4ujackdelia4u Member Posts: 26
    What does "OTD" mean? thanks Jack
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Out The Door

    Regards,
    OW
  • bmw33bmw33 Member Posts: 6
    Hello everyone!

    2007 335 xi: 3 YR/15K Lease
    Auto
    Cold Weather
    Premium
    Metallic Paint
    Satellite/iPod

    Sticker: $47, 770
    Selling Price: $44, 975
    Residual: $29109
    Invoice: $43, 950 (from Edmunds)
    $1025 over invoice

    MF: .0019
    Residual: 61%

    Monthly lease is $625 (inclusive of tax);
    initiation fees $2, 364 (includes first month payment + 650 security deposit).

    I want to be around $550 for a 15K lease - is it possible?

    Can I do better than the above deal? Dealer claims that this is the great and is possible only on a 2007 BMW. Please help!
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,620
    "Out the door" pricing includes tax, title, license, doc fee, the tank of gas they had to put in, the advertising fee, the training fee, catfood for the store's mascot & every other damn thing that can be (& often is) added during the F & I (finance & insurance) rain dance. You may think you've negotiated the deal when you leave the sales office & head for F&I, but the fun is only beginning.

    If you negotiate OTD, the bottom line on the F&I contract had better match what you negotiated. It takes the dreaded "four-square" right out of the picture, so long as you're willing to dispose of your existing vehicle on your own. Since I keep my cars forever, they're usually worth about $1.87 to the dealer anyway.

    Dealers are very good at hiding the pea (think three-card monte or the equivalent with three walnut shells with a pea under one of them), and people who fall for the four-square or any of a number of other "techniques" are their willing victims.

    Don't be among them.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • bmw328leasebmw328lease Member Posts: 17
    Overall it sounds like a pretty good deal. The dealer seems to have absorbed the training and MACO fees. It may have possible to get closer to your target price with 12k miles, lowering the MF and the selling price.

    Make sure you are getting a lower MF for the $650 SD that you are putting down. You can get a lower MF by putting down a couple of additional refundable SDs. That will bring down your monthly by about $15.

    The max that the dealer would go down is $500 over invoice. This will bring down the monthly by another $10 or so. Shoot for $600 incl tax and you should be in good shape.

    The dealer is probably right. I am almost certain that you would not get a similar deal on a 2008. Since there are so few '07s left, grab this one while you can.
  • bmw328leasebmw328lease Member Posts: 17
    Useful article that may help while negotiating a deal:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/103787/Things-to-Never-Say-to-a-Dealer
  • bcwestbcwest Member Posts: 4
    2008 BMW 335i Coupe
    MSRP: $44,425
    Invoice: $40,950
    TMV: $44,100
    My Sale Price: $43,780
    Acquisition: $650
    Registration: ~$350
    Down Payment: $2,000
    Residual: 60%
    Money Factor: .0029!
    Monthly Payment: $675/36 months

    There's not much wiggle room since the car is in high demand but I can probably get a few hundred more off once I narrow the dealers down to 2 or 3 and get ready to actually order the car.
    Where he's killing me is the money factor. I know the rate from BMW financial is .00235. This is all fine and dandy but I'm pretty sure he's already making a lot of money selling the car for about $2,200 over invoice and wants to make even more by jacking up the money factor. What should I expect to be able to negotiate for the MF?
    I also dropped my hand a bit with dealer and asked about multiple security deposits He told me I could decrease the money factor .00005 with up to 7 deposits ($500 each). Sounds good if I can get the MF down first and then do a couple security deposits...
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