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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Yeah I buy stuff here and there a flea markets and swap meets. It seems like many "toy" stores rarely carry any die casts at all other than the usual hot wheels and current matchbox cars which I don't like at all.

    I luck out this summer when we wnet with a bunch of friends to a small town in BC for the weekend and I came across a model railroad display warehouse which happened to be selling off someone's estate collection of old Bburago and Matchbox cars, brand new in boxes.

    I picked up about a dozen of new in box Models Of Yesteryear cars for about $5 a pop, and a 1:18 scale Bburago Ferrari Testarossa, brand new in box from late 80s for $20. They also had brand new Majorette car sets from early 80s (cars and trailers) which I should have grabbed but didn't, but the best purchase was a Bburago 1:14 scale Gilles Villeneuve F1 car, new in box, absolutely mint, never opened, box in mint shape, also for $20. Last one of these that sold anywhere was for about 350BP at some auction, and there are none for sale anywhere.




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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Promos of muscle cars are especially collectible, they can go into the hundreds pretty easily.
    berri said:

    When I was a kid, many mostly just played with those plastic 1/24th scale models and promo's like other toys. The one's that were taken care of and kept are worth some money these days.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Nice find. Some vintage Bburago are trending up, and limited runs like that F1 car are a sure bet. Too bad about the Majorettes though, I am looking for those, really hard to find - especially if in the bubble pack or plastic box rather than on card. I think I want to get into those and Tomica next, as most Matchbox I want that I don't have I also can't afford. I predict vintage Tomica to become even more popular in the future, with prices reacting to demand.

    I have about 20 boxed 70s-early 80s Yesteryears that I'll sell you for half that, if you want them,

    boomchek said:



    I luck out this summer when we wnet with a bunch of friends to a small town in BC for the weekend and I came across a model railroad display warehouse which happened to be selling off someone's estate collection of old Bburago and Matchbox cars, brand new in boxes.

    I picked up about a dozen of new in box Models Of Yesteryear cars for about $5 a pop,



  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The Majorettes were in these types of boxes, once again sealed and new. They were all cars with trailers. I wanted to buy everything they had but then I'd have a car full of toys lol.

    I'll check which yesteryears I have to compare what you want to get rid of.


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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Ugh you're killing me, that's exactly the kind of thing I'd like to find. That would date from the late 70s-early 80s, and is growing in collectibility. The earlier Majorette had plastic boxes, then the softer plastic bubble/blister like that package.

    Here's a pic of the YYs - probably more play value than collectible value, but they are nice models for the money, half the price of 30-35 years ago:

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    boomchek said:

    The Majorettes were in these types of boxes, once again sealed and new. They were all cars with trailers. I wanted to buy everything they had but then I'd have a car full of toys lol.

    I'll check which yesteryears I have to compare what you want to get rid of.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    If anything, I plan to be up there some time for the auto show, or if you come south, we could set something up. Just send a message, and I think I still have your number.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    When I was a little kid, the dime stores carried things like little metal Tootsiecars (or something like that). They were around 49 cents. The popular ones you'd see were 55 Chevy's, the 54-56 look Cadillac, 57 Plymouth and 57 Ford as I recall.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Tootsietoys. The most popular small scale diecast maker from the 30s to 50s, still a lot of old ones out there. They lost a lot of small scale market share to Matchbox and Hot Wheels, but they still exist today.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think the advent of slot car racing sets in the 60's kind of influenced that change. Also the Tootsietoy cars were just metal shells, but they held up pretty well to abuse.

    Another neat toy from back then was Tonka trucks. They looked very realistic and were very durable things as well. So many of the competitors like Buddy L didn't really look that real.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    fintail said:

    If anything, I plan to be up there some time for the auto show, or if you come south, we could set something up. Just send a message, and I think I still have your number.

    Yes for sure but I think with the Canadian dollar slipping so much I think I'll probably see you up in Vancouver sooner than when I come down south. Gas is hovering at a semi reasonable price here too of around $1/L as opposed to $1.40 about 4 months ago so it doesn't make too much sense for me to cross the border.

    Also if you're going to come up to the Auto Show this year I'd recommend you get your tickets online. Last year there was a 45 minute long line up at the show to buy tickets. I would think a big show like this would be more organized to have more than just 2 booths open (one cash, one debit), and a handful of credit card ticket machines.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Matchbox got huge around 1965, then Hot Wheels exploded onto the scene around 1968 - those with the slot cars probably hindered Tootsie, indeed.

    I remember being able to find whitewall-tired Structo trucks at yard sales pretty often up into the 90s, but they are harder to find there now.

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="berri">I think the advent of slot car racing sets in the 60's kind of influenced that change. Also the Tootsietoy cars were just metal shells, but they held up pretty well to abuse.

    Another neat toy from back then was Tonka trucks. They looked very realistic and were very durable things as well. So many of the competitors like Buddy L didn't really look that real.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Not going to Bellingham to load up on cheap milk and booze? :) I've found Chevron PUG for no more than $2.50/gal lately. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

    I bought from a kiosk last year, but I got there right at opening. I'll try to remember the online thing.
    boomchek said:

    fintail said:


    Yes for sure but I think with the Canadian dollar slipping so much I think I'll probably see you up in Vancouver sooner than when I come down south. Gas is hovering at a semi reasonable price here too of around $1/L as opposed to $1.40 about 4 months ago so it doesn't make too much sense for me to cross the border.

    Also if you're going to come up to the Auto Show this year I'd recommend you get your tickets online. Last year there was a 45 minute long line up at the show to buy tickets. I would think a big show like this would be more organized to have more than just 2 booths open (one cash, one debit), and a handful of credit card ticket machines.

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Cheap booze in Washington? I seem to recall that they tax the living crap out of liquor and anyone who lives there and is in Oregon makes a stop for booze before returning.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited January 2015
    Cheap booze compared to Canuckistan. Oregon has less purchase based taxes for sure. Border people can live in WA with no income tax, and shop in OR with no sales tax. Canadians at one time could come south and enjoy lower taxes and lower prices.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    We can't bring booze back to Canada unless we're away for more than 48 hours otherwise we'll pay duties and taxes which for beer still comes out cheaper than buying it here.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Of course, that's if you have anything to declare :)

    My anecdotal experience is that you get the third degree barked at you much more going south than north.

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261


    Andre1969, here's a set of 1957 Mopar miniatures for you! The DeSoto is a Fireflite, but looks similar to your ride. I'm not sure who makes them. It may be Corgi.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261


    Check out this 1965 Imperial convertible with golf bag and passengers by Corgi.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited February 2015
    Those 1957 Mopars are relatively recent releases by a company called "M2". They are 1:64 scale, Matchbox size.

    Speaking of British diecast DeSotos, Corgi competitor Dinky had a nice one back during the period, but a sedan:

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    I have a small scale diecast 1963 Imperial, by Lone Star/Impy:

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    When the 57 Mopar's came out, I recall some feeling the 4dr sedan was more striking than the 4 dr ht. Personal preferences though.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Hey boomchek, I am sure you've seen many times by now that Wilkinson's is closing. I was going to try to visit one last time when I went to the auto show, but my work has become insane, and I am not certain I'll be able to make it. It was always on my list of places to visit when in Van.

    On a somewhat automobilia related note, I recently had an old radio restored. I found this at an estate sale when I was a teenager, and bought it for the "car grille" design - some call it the "International Harvester" radio. From what can tell, it maybe was only sold in 1939-40. Over the years, the swirled bakelite didn't age well, and it started playing poorly. Not many people can restore bakelite, I had to send it to the midwest. It was worth saving, and it looks and plays like new. It's apparently fairly collectible and has some value:

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Man, those vacuum tubes must be tough to find these days. Even if you can find them, they had a bad habit of burn marks obscuring the tube code. So you were really up the hill without a schematic.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We went to a combo antique shop/art gallery yesterday and the only car stuff was a race car model vaguely like this and a Fire Chief peddle car. The owners were a couple of kids and I told them it was depressing going to an antique store where all the stuff was junk that I actually played with as a kid.

    Guess they felt sorry for me because the fired up their old pinball machine and I got a game in. Didn't feel the urge to buy it for $1,000 since I have a free pinball app on the iPad that even gives me palm calluses like the real thing.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    There seems to be a lot of old timer radio cultists out there, not hard to find someone who will work on one, just gotta be sure to keep costs under the finished value - just like on an old car. For this radio, restoration work wasn't terribly intensive, and the finished value is high, so I went for it.

    That style of race car was popular in both F1/Indy and Sprint cars for a long time in the 40s and 50s.

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Wilkinson's closing! :o Yikes, first time I heard about it. I'll make sure to pay them a visit this month with my son before they shut their doors. Such a cool store although some of the lower end toys are a bit pricier, but never the less they have a lot of rare and vintage stuff. Considering that "toy" stores like Toys R Us and other big box places don't really carry any decent die casts anymore, this place is like a treasure trove for automobilia collectors.

    I bought a ton of stuff from there over the years, including many out of print car magazines and buyer's guides that are unobtanium anywhere else, even ebay.

    I can see why they might be closing their brick and mortar store as they probably do a lot of online business and their store is overstocked to the ceiling. Plus I think the guys running it are doing it as a hobby, not because they really need to for the money.

    If I go there the last week maybe I can snatch up some magazines and brochures at a good price.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    I've been on their email list for years, where they've announced the updates - I bet the printed matter will be sold at fire sale prices. I am sure details are on those sites. They are apparently still going to operate locally, out of a warehouse in the same area. Kind of sad to see it go though, it's been there forever and it has a really cool assortment - not priced at internet bargain levels, but you pay for convenience and the experience. It isn't a low overhead location, and I doubt the owners make a lot of money from it. I've bought a few books there over the years, and a few small models too.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That's insane to pay that kind of money for a box. I just threw away all of my son 's Lego boxes. They took up so much space, especially the huge ones. Overt time stuff like this just clutters up a condo quite quickly.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    How hard would it be to counterfeit a cardboard box? I'd sure wonder for $218!!!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited March 2015
    Boxes have a low survival rate, boxed cars bring a huge premium, and that model (22b Vauxhall Cresta) is one of the most sought after - add some desperate bidders, get a happy seller.

    Many sellers separate the cars and boxes, as they'll maximize profits. I couldn't do that.

    So far, boxes have been pretty hard to fake - the printing is distinctive when viewed up close, the paper is unique, and they usually have a slight smell to them via the passage of time.

    I know old boxed Lego sets bring a big premium, too.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Yeah vintage boxed Legos command very steep prices. One thing I'm weary about is buying anything (especially off Craigslist) that's vintage new in box. You can't open the box to check it or else it'll lose it's value immediately (unless you buy it to play with it), but if you don't open to check you might risk buying a box with rocks in it.

    I was at a Lego store few weeks ago with my son and was looking at what they have stored on their upper shelves that wasn't visible. One of the Lego staffers noticed me doing that and said everything they have is on display and visible. I jokingly said that maybe I'll find an old vintage set from the 80s laying around. He said, that actually they have a set that was recently returned (they accept sealed returns no matter how old they are) that I can buy. It was a 5 or 6 year old Lego space shuttle new in box. He said it was only $20. I immediately snatched it up because the set was old and discontinued, it was cheap, it retailed for about $40-$50 new, and people were selling them new in box on Amazon for $150.

    I told my son we'll flip it on Craigslist and I'll get him the bog Lego Mini (about $120) but we had to keep it sealed. He said ok. The set was sitting in our house unopened for a week or so, and it made me wonder if someone just didn't restuff the box with random stuff and resealed it or if it was a fake Lego set. Anyways my son got impatient and wanted to open the set so we did. It was all original. The Lego Mini will have to wait for now.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited March 2015
    That's why I like old toy cars with non-sealed boxes - you can open the box, inspect/play with the toy, and then put it back. A few years ago, I found a 1989 Lego set at a yard sale, sealed - dragsters. Sold on ebay for $50, not bad for a $4 purchase, IIRC.

    Many years ago, I found these small 70s era sets. I think I paid about $80-100 for the lot, sold them for around $300, I think

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That's cool. I still have all my vintage Legos sans the boxes from the 80s (about 30-40 sets). Few months ago I built all of my old sets, we played with them and promptly tore them down. When I was younger I played with them so much that now I can tell which pieces are from which sets even when they're mixed with thousands of others in a huge pile.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Do you have the instructions? You can at least build them again that way. Nobody saved the boxes, which is why they are worth so much now. For post 2005 or so stuff, I think many are saving them, Lego is kind of trendy - they won't appreciate so well. Sold listings on ebay show a good part of the market, Amazon asking prices are kind of sketchy.

    I have a younger brother, so most of my Legos and cars ended up getting passed down or destroyed. I do have a few Lego houses of my own design I built ages ago, placed on a shelf, and they survived the years relatively unscathed.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I don't have the paper instructions for my old sets, but they're online at peeron, that's how I rebuilt them. I treated my Legos like gold, and my sister was gentle with them too. That's why my survived for 30 years, several countries over 2 continents, and multiple moves. So did my childhood Matchbox cars and a handful of Bburagos. I'm very nostalgic about my childhood toys and cherished what I had, probably because we didn't have an abundance growing up in communist Poland.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    How would things like that get into Poland? Shipped by relatives?

    My parents definitely bought into 80s consumerism, and were much more willing to buy junk for their kids than I would be now.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Well Fin, they probably had a lot more discretionary cash when there was a growing middle class.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    My first (and only) and only Lego set I got in Poland was from my aunt who traveled around Europe a lot back then and bought it in another country. Cars like Matchbox and other western toys and products (including booze, chocolates, perfume etc) was available in Poland only at government owned stores with import goods called Pewex. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewex

    Each city had one or two. You could pay for the products there only with government issued notes that were equivalent to US dollars.

    Now that I think about it, the stores reminded me of modern day duty free stores, with the type of appearance, and products they carried. Except one big difference was that everything was behind counters and you had to ask a lady to show it to you. Back then actually there was no self serve stores (ie you walk in put things in a shopping cart and then pay). Even large department stores kept everything on display behind counters and you had to ask attendants to get it and show it to you.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    You must have felt lucky to receive that stuff, I can tell you appreciated it - where here, we had endless shelves full of any toy we wanted, the only difficulty was talking your way into receiving something now and then. Strange to imagine something as normal as Matchbox cars protected in a duty-free environment.

    boomchek said:

    My first (and only) and only Lego set I got in Poland was from my aunt who traveled around Europe a lot back then and bought it in another country. Even large department stores kept everything on display behind counters and you had to ask attendants to get it and show it to you.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    By the time my parents had all 3 of us, they still spent like they were single - we had some cool stuff now and then though ;)

    Probably couldn't be repeated as easy today - I can't imagine paying for a house and kids on anything less than 2 decent incomes, but I live in an expensive area.
    berri said:

    Well Fin, they probably had a lot more discretionary cash when there was a growing middle class.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited March 2015
    My parents were both from poor families--born in the late '20's so were depression kids. That made them very practical, even after they could afford to spend more, they didn't. I think I picked that trait up. ;)

    Dad retired from the post office and was in the Marine Corps reserves, and we lived in a small town--we did OK. Dad would never buy a house though...they rented a house that Mom was in for 29 years and when she moved into assisted living she was still paying $200 a month--little ranch with basement and one-car attached garage built in 1956 with probably 2/3 an acre of land. They could've bought a house of course, but I think he always feared another depression.

    He did buy himself a new Chevy probably every three or four years. That was his one extravagance. He'd always buy Mom something new, like an appliance, at about the same time. After he retired, they travelled on bus trips a good bit. They loved Atlantic City, where they'd drop a grand gambling in one weekend, which drove me nuts! But it was their money.

    My wife and I both have good jobs, but mine is straight commission and I am always aware it could change at any moment. We're practical and wish to put both our kids through college with no loans if at all possible, but it's tough. I also don't want to worry about money in retirement but I think we'll be OK.

    Times sure have changed. Sorry for the ramble; I think personally the worst thing to happen in this country is the loss of so many manufacturing jobs here. That has largely decimated my little hometown.

    My wife tells me I should buy another Studebaker when the kids are out of school, but the problem then will be there will be NOBODY that'll work on them.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    I never really wanted for anything when I was growing up, but my parents being willing to live for today and sometimes have outflow exceed income might have helped with that. They learned the lesson about the time I finished high school, so I paid for about all of my higher education myself, whether it be working, loans, grants/scholarships. I was able to do it, but I wouldn't want to do it again now when it probably costs 400% as much, where a low wage job might pay 50% more. I am not unhappy to be single, which allows me toys and a little extra left over.

    The loss of many working class jobs certainly has been a misfortune for many regions in the US, and it is an issue some still won't really admit or address.

    A decent sized town should have a garage that'll take in a Studebaker, they aren't really different from old cars in general. I know a couple local shops here that aren't scared of the fintail - and it's a weird old car with MFI and such.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited March 2015
    Where Studes differ from other cars is using king pins instead of ball joints, right up to the end--although didn't you say your Benz has ball joints? That, and tapered axles, although AMC still used them too I think. You need a hub puller to get the rear drums off any Stude until the last half of the '65 model run, when they went to flanged axles (R3 Avantis had them earlier). I hear you don't want to be in a car when the tapered rear axle breaks, but that tends to only be in cars with more horsepower and stupid driving--although in a fifty-plus-year-old car, who knows how it was driven previously?

    There are Stude vendors who sell dual-M/C disc brake conversion kits and also flanged axles for Studes. I'd be compelled to get both if I bought another.

    One reason I bought my '66 was I thought with the flanged axle and GM 283 (very close, but not exactly like the Chevy, I'm told), more shops would be willing to touch it (I think they hear 'Studebaker' and get scared). But the fact is, as rock-solid and nice as it was, I just didn't like it as much as my earlier cars. You couldn't get a hardtop in '66, and my previous two Daytonas were hardtops.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    The fintail has kingpins - I had them replaced back around 2000 or so, when I found a kit for something like $60 on ebay. The car had some weird camber issues before that. Been fine since. I did take it to an MB indy for that - that's one good thing about Euro cars, most cities of any size have Euro specialists, sometimes even brand specialists. I know of a few around here who probably wouldn't reject the old car, but I do live in a high population area.

    I'd think a specialty vintage shop wouldn't be scared by the Stude - you won't be able to take it into a mainstream quickie lube place, but someone should be able to handle it.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    I thought "king pins" and see I typed "ball joints", regarding your Benz. It's so easy just to hit that "post comment" button!

    You're giving me some hope on having another Stude at some point. I think a fair number will come up on the market in the next decade or so, if you catch my drift. ;)

    I'm a stickler for maintenance, like bleeding brakes and using new fluid every couple years or so; repacking of rear wheel bearings; etc., but most Stude guys I know are like "Ahh, you worry too much"....LOL.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited March 2015
    I don't think it would be too bad to own one. I am sure there's a small shop within reasonable distance that could take care of big needs - these cars are out there, and someone is maintaining them. And yes, ordinary 50s and 60s cars will be the next to stagnate and even lose value, just as early postwar cars have less interest now - demographics.

    I keep the fintail maintained to what I think is a reasonable standard - yearly oil change and inspection, coolant and brakes flushed every several years. It's probably overkill as the car isn't driven a huge mileage, but it's peace of mind, and makes me think I am not mistreating the car.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    Does a fintail have tapered or flanged rear axle? I was curious if you need a hub puller to pull the rear drums off.

    BTW, I don't know if I've ever told you this before or not, but in 1993 I was at an Avanti meet in South Bend when I overheard an older lady say "My husband brought Mercedes to the States" and "I was Sherwood's secretary" (meaning Sherwood Egbert, president of Studebaker). I got up the nerve to approach her and she was a very polished, delightful lady and although she lived in Newport Beach, CA she did come to at least two events in South Bend where I spoke briefly with her. Her husband was Lon Fleener, president of Mercedes-Benz Sales at Studebaker starting in the fifties. They were married in 1966 per Social Security marriage records online.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    I actually don't know about the rear axle - I don't think it has needed that much work over the years. I suspect it is the easier option, whatever that is.

    The MB-Stude relationship will always be an odd coincidence to me, given the Stude-Packard link, and that MB can be argued to have taken the Packard spot in the domestic market - downmarket moves included.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    edited March 2015
    On thread topic, what's that micro sized thing on the ground near the car:

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    It's Dinky 186, a vintage model that was apparently patterned after my car:

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    edited March 2015
    I think the MB-Stude marriage was just one of convenience at the time. Studebaker needed cash and their dealers needed more revenues, meanwhile MB needed an initially relatively inexpensive dealership entry into North America.

    On topic - I always thought Dinky Toys were interesting, but like the more realistic looking 1/24 plastic model promos personally. I thought you could see the details and interiors better on them.
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