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what a surprise! French vs Brit!
Bruno
Me too. The power will increase only at high RPM, making the new engine more happy-rev. This is a weak point of the current engine. From the spec of the 2.0l, it seems torque at lower RPM (said bellow 4700 rpm) will remain about the same. The Mazda 3 could be a little heavier (because it's a tad bigger than P5). I hope the new transmission doesn't have taller gear ratios, so that the vivacity and fun-to-drive factor is about the same as the current Pr5.
Bruno
Read the complete story here: Mazda3 starts production. We can thank (ateixeira) for this link, which he posted in another discussion.
Also, if any of you come across other members that are interested discussing the Mazda3 5 door hatch, feel free to tell them about this discussion. Here's the url to this discussion: /direct/view/.ef13089
Thanks for your participation! ;-)
Revka
Host
Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
Saw the concept at the NY Auto Show, it's very cute and looks very roomy. It looks less sporty than the P5, which was close to it. It should appeal more to families but less to sporty drivers. The 6 became more sporty so I was a bit surprised, maybe Mazda figures that customer is already served.
-juice
-juice
Lower: Good
Longer: Not so good - although the P5's trunk is small...
From the pics, it looks like a very tall car, but if the dimensions are true, then we could potentially have a sportier car than the current P5, which in my books is not a bad thing. That and the 2.3 I4 from the M6i would make quite a Zoom-Zoom mobile
Dinu
-juice
P5 US: 57.8" (1468mm)
P5 Canadian: 55.9" (1420mm)
Protege US: 55.5" (1410mm)
Mazda3: 57.1" (1450mm)
Obviously the P5 US number is wrong, because the current model no longer equipped with roof rack and it should have the same height as the canadian version. Mazda USA simply forgot to modify the spec accordingly.
I stand corrected: Mazda3 is 1.2" (30mm) taller than the Protege5
Bruno
PS: however may be the 17-in-wheels version is 1/4-1/2" lower.
It seems even taller. I would not have been surprised if you had said it was 3" taller than the P5. I bet head room is excellent.
-juice
Back in the early '80's, either C&D or R&T just couldn't find any handling advantage of the Scirocco over the several-inches-taller Rabbit GTI when both of these same-engine-&-platform cars are equipped w/ 14" & sport suspension. These VWs are superb handlers. Even the spare tire is located ahead between the rear wheels & don't got rear overhang weight. So in the event of oversteer, there's no "pendulum" momentum to swing the rear continuously & can be brought back immediately.
Notice the longer-wheelbase new 3 probably got less overhangs than the Protege as well.
I'm surprise that no one mentions the Mazda3 has a multi-link rear suspension. Now that's something new for a compact car (or whatever size-category).
Bruno
-juice
Bruno
The wheelbase isn't that different from current, which I think is about 103inches. I think the 3 has one of 103.5inches.
Longer wheelbases work against tight turning circles but do wonders for freeway ride (less front-rear seesawing action when driving over the breaks in pavement, especially over breaks between sections of concrete).
The 323/Protege's twin trapezoid is not as sophisticated as the Focus design.
reduces the vivacity unfortunately (and the turning radius for those who care.)"
Transversely mounted engine takes lateral space & increased turning circle. But even early Sentra's got small tc. So it really depends how the manufacturer wants to do. I guess their conspiracy is to make both large & small cars w/ similar tc so customers who step up to the larger car next time won't be pissed off.
I noticed the Civic-size-wheelbase '92 Camry got huge interior alone w/ large tc, especially w/ the V6 engine, which is a shorter block than the inline 4. While the smaller-tc RWD Lexus LS400 got a much longer wheelbase but less leg room than the Camry. The 2nd-generation '95 LS400(still got long wheelbase) got improved leg room along w/ an amazingly small turning circle.
The Mazda6's huge turning circle is already a pain in the butt, so Mazda3 better offer a small one to capture the lost customers.
I am SURE that turning circle is a major criterion of a large majority of customers seeking new vehicles. NOT.
At the same time, if a liked a car bad enough, a larger than avg. turn circle wouldn't stop me.
Hope this over-estimation won't happen again for the MZR 2.0l Mazda3. (this engine is rated around 141hp on the 6)
Bruno
Watch the clip and you will see the front end of the car.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=- - upcomingMazda3
Bruno
Bruno
Second: we are talking about OEM here.
Let's move on.
We are never going to agree on this...
Now, the aftermarket Bridgestone RE910 my wife put on her Saturn SL2 were great. So are the Dunlop SP Sport A2 tires I put on my Pro LX. The Dunlop SP 5000 tires on my wife's P5 have been very good so far, but she's only put about 6000 miles on them. A friend with a BMW 325i with the same model says they hydroplane easily. Yet my wife's P5 handles very well in the rain. Guess the particular size and aspect ratio within a tire model matter too. Of course, the BMW is RWD, so a lower percentage of its weight is placed on the front tires, and its tires are wider, so maybe less pressure is put on the contact patch, explaining why he experiences hydroplaning and my wife doesn't with the same tire model.
And I care about turning circle (wall-to-wall, not curb-to-curb). I don't like making more points in a u-turn or while parking than I have to. Makes parallel parking much easier too, though I haven't had to do that much since I left NYC.
I replaced the RE92s with Avid Touring from Yokohama which are better in rain and have shown no noticeable signs of wearing-off since last August, all in 24.000kms (15.000miles), something I can't say for the RE92s. I actually improved the ride (especially on the highway) of the PRO by going from 195/55/15 to 195/60/15. Handling doesn't suffer as these Yokos have a stiff sidewall.
Dinu
I put Dunlop SP 5000 assymetrical on there and they have been great. 27000 miles later and they are hardly worn, they are still very quiet, and they handle great. Never had a problem in the rain at all, even in the Northeast deluge this spring.
Dinu...you usually have good things to say, but I have to disagree, since I went the opposite. My dunlops were 205/50/15...I have no problem at all with the ride, the harder the better. Of course I am turning 30 soon, so maybe in 10 or 15 more years I will appreciate a soft ride (Please I hope not.) Just ribbin' you though (-:
We do agree that the Re92s are terrible. (By the way, the consumer reviews on TIRERACK.com agree with us too. They also like the SP5000.)
I also had to consider a "softer" tire if you will as my mom also drives this car and she did complain about the ride a few times. After all it's her car. I just enjoy driving it since it's so much fun!!! She's 53 and I'm 22: different priorities as far as the ride goes without a doubt
Now about the Dunlops SP5000: I don't have the P5 or the ES GT so I don't have first-hand info on them, but I heard others (at a Toronto Protege Club meet) complain. Based on that I was stating that OEM tires will never be as good as aftermarket ones.
Dinu
check careful the center bed, when you see the tread is about two millimeters, everything will go bad quickly from that moment, it will be worn unevenly. There are many complains in the Protege5 board, check it out.
Any trust-worthy reference on that statement? I can't hardly imagine tire manufacturers build the same model differently depending on OEM or after-market. That's a very serious accusation.
I wonder if this is just another smart invention from those lawyers.
Bruno
I state this b/c most PRO owners in the Protege sedan room were forced to buy new tires 2-3 years after buying their car b/c of tires wearing off way too soon. And no one has bought RE92s again, that's for sure!
I hope my previous post is a bit clearer now
Dinu