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The engine will be discontinued in this country because DCX will not invest the money to make it emissions legal. The engine will continue to be available in Europe for sometime to come so parts should be a non-issue.
The only issue we will all have is finding a good competent diesel tech and a dealer with a really good service department.
I have moved to Florida from Maryland and am looking for a good dealer in the Delray Beach area. Any suggestions welcome.
Without investigating fully, it appears if the crd was to have an upper anti-rattle spring - it didn't have one. Wasn't supposed to or selling dealership mechanic didn't put it back on at the 2k mile grinding noise from hell fix. The anti-rattle slider? slid out and cut grooves in the back of the mag wheel.
Liberty 2004 made top ten list of worst vehicles. Can the 2005 claim that honor also. No answers please.
One thing to consider - you need synthetic 0w40 or 5w40 oil with a diesel rating (CF or higher) in the CRD. Is that available where you are?
Apart from parts, who is the mechanic to work on it? The diesel system probably requires someone with diesel-specific knowledge. Do you have on-base mechanics? Are they trained only on gas engines or on diesel also? I would think someone who can handle a truck diesel could work on this engine, but I won't say the same for someone who only knows car gasoline engines.
Other comment - 25k seems like a lot even for a well equipped model. I bought a decently equipped Sport in January for closer to 20k, and that was before they were discontinued. I don't know what kind of deals you can expect as overseas military but 25k doesn't sound like anything special to me.
Here's what I was thinking: GPS and Speed Measurements
Another consideration is that speedometers are often calibrated to display a slightly higher speed than the actual speed for reasons of legal cover.
In any case, the milepost technique is tried and true.
tidester, host
The most recent problem which I've had was the yellow light on the dahboard for potential engine problems was lighting intermittently. I took it to the dealer and they hookede it up to their machine. The codes received were indecypherable to the folks at the dealer. They told me to bring it in if the yellow light comes on again. Dealer support has been good.
The yellow light did come on again. The engine began to run like it was running on three cylinders. Of course it happened on a Saturday night when no dealer would be available for assistance. I poked around myself and reseated the plug that that "talks" to the fuel injection computer. The Jeep ran fine after messing with the plug and has run well for the last three weeks. So you may expect the yellow check engine light to come on if you procure a CRD Jeep. I wouldn't let a few problems like the "lemon" light (check engine light) stop you from buying a CRD Jeep.
Note that maintenance is somewhat less frequent for a diesel Jeep than a gas Jeep. This is nice. Note also that mileage is a bit better. This is nice. Diesel engines are supposed to last a long time. This also may be nice.
The Jeep does have a turbocharger so in Florida you will have to watch for overheating very carefully. Failure of a turbocharger leads to an extremely expensive repair. Expensive repairs are not nice.
I request that you let the forum know what you've decided. It will be interesting.
Each person has to make up your own mind if this would be a wise choice for you.
Our CRD has 19,400 miles in it. I am changing oil every 8,000 miles, I use Shell Rotella 5-40 w Synsethic oil. I do not fit either the A or B schedule, so I sorta split the two. I am under the miles for the schedule A but above the B. I do not use additives, I don't drive it any different than I would a gas Liberty, with the exceptions of letting the engine cool down for a couple of minuets after a long ride. I try not to go over 3,000 rpm except when more power is required. I drive conservatively only because I am not is a huge rush. We go pretty much by the speed limit. Saves money on tickets too.
I am glad we put on the 100,000 mile extended service contract warranty. Max. care 0 deduct able. With all this I can say I am pleased at 19,400 miles. It costs me 11.7 cents a mile for fuel. I get 22 to 26.1 mpg. Never been on a trip so far.
Use caution, ask questions, and might even ask the good LORD what His will is for ya.
Farout
My experience is this: bought in 4/05. Now have 33k miles, only 1 repair, EGR, beyond normal maint. I change oil @ 9k (split between a/b service) and use dealer (0-40) oil. I use no additives and start car in winter (coldest -12F) without use of plug in heater. I treat CRD as a car, nothing more, nothing less. It has given me good service (so far) and is "fun" to drive. My usual mpg is around 25 with 80% hiway at 70-75mph. I just finished a 1200 mile trip to northern quebec which included over 300 mi on dirt roads/trails in full time 4wd. CRD performed flawlessly in all conditions. Even during that segment of trip, I still got 22mpg. To give you a good difference between the CRD and other SUVs, my buddy with an explorer had to buy 5 gal of gas from the trip outfitter in order to make it back to main road. At 312 mi I still had plenty of fuel for the trip out.
Yes the car has its quirks and you do see alot of whining about every squeak and rattle here, but in the main, it has been good to me. I know its a Liberty and I do not expect 300,000 miles just cause it has a diesel. Anyone who does is on drugs.
So, buy it if you want, but be real in expectation: it is rugged, but not indestructible, nor will you get jetta tdi mileage.
By what I read the Jetta TDI has a lot more problems then our CRD will ever think of having!
Farout
once again, thank you very much.
I will respond to everyone else now as well.
And we have decided to get the car..
As far as the price, I have to pay frieght both from Ohio to the port (Baltimore) and then to here in Belgium as well as customs fees.
So that comes to just over $2200.
So Basically, the price I mentioned includes all those charges.
Thanks for the information, and the oil is something I need to check on.
Best Regards,
Anthony
Thanks again for the valuable info,
Regards,
Anthony
Good-bye from tired_old_dave and his better half.
tidester, host
I do wish you the best of luck. I suspect your vehicle will serve you well - most seem happy with their decisions. I know I am extremely happy with mine. Time will tell in all these things. Stay positive and enjoy your Jeep. Just don't stick your head in the sand ;0)
Later,
N2D
Would it not be ironic if the person who buys your CRD does not have a lick of trouble with it?
Nescosmo.
Now some not so good news for our Liberty RENEGADE friends. No Renegade for 2007. Yep it's true, just like no CRD for 2007. What are these DCX boys thinking?
Diesel is $2.759 in Columbia, Missouri. It's finally looking like we just might see $2.60 a gallon again.....hope.
Farout
There have been a number of posts here and apparently VM Motori rejects warranty claims if over B5 is used. However, the warranty is from DCX, not VM Motori, so I don't care if VM Motori disapproves. Another post indicated that DCX inspects any failed fuel pumps and if scoring marks are found then they assert biodiesel over B5 was used and deny warranty coverage; I don't know if there's any truth in this. I had not yet gotten around to reading the whole manual and warranty book to see if there's anything on biodiesel, but I'm glad to hear that there isn't.
Biodiesel from reliable sources is used extensively by bus fleets (school and city) and by the US military for non-combat vehicles. Those are pretty strong endorsements in my view. Not a guarantee that it won't cause problems in the CRD, but certainly reassuring to know. I have not heard directly of any biodiesel problems, and the ones I hear of indirectly usually seem to involve homebrew or some problem that Minnesota had last winter with its mandated biodiesel percentage in all diesel sold.
My two cents - make sure your biodiesel source is reliable and provides clean, good quality fuel. I would and do use B20 without a concern. I personally don't use anything above B20, but I have read on other forums of people using B99 with good results. Your mileage may vary!
I think Farout is living a charmed life. We have never averaged over 24 mpg, and that was on a long drive. Fuel economy is now about 21-22 mpg with the check engine light on. I will soon be installing this Jeep's sixth EGR valve. That's an average of one EGR every two months. I keep telling them about the need for a PCM replacement with the EGR, but they kind of just shrug their shoulders, and say that the authorization must come from DCX.
Will you provide the dealership name and location through whom you purchased this warranty? If you can't post it here, please send to the email address posted in my profile.
Jones
Mercedes-Benz Has Big Plans for Bluetec Lineup
This happened to my wife a few weeks ago with our '05. In over 12K miles it was the first problem requiring service. It threw a code and the ECM reflash fixed it. I think they may have tightened some hoses, too. Total down time was 4 hours at the dealer. Not too bad for a full year of use and an average of 23 mpg combined.
Does anyone know which part or parts of the CARB standard the Bluetec diesels failed and by how much?
Again, I doubt this is the cause of your problem, but am tossing it out just in case.
I recently drove to Florida at an average speed of about 72 MPH and got 27+ MPG for a 1025 mile trip.
I had a similar incident with my 2005 CRD at 686 miles. While travelling on a local road, it simply died. I was able to coast it over to the shoulder and restart it but whenever I took it over 20 MPH, it would die. It was in Limp-in-mode. A flash of the controller with updated software fixed the issue.
Ref:http://www.maesco.com/products/racor/r_ccv_intro/r_ccv_intro.html
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mhuk/upload/doc/HBGDHjDBaVQ.pdf
ULTIMATE CONVENIENCE PACKAGE
This plan is available with a $0 Deductible on 2005 model year and newer Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep® vehicles covered by a minimum 3/36 Basic Warranty (excluding Crossfire, Viper, Diesels, SRT-10 and all other vehicles that require synethic oil). Vehicles are eligible within 120 days of the original warranty start date.
In fact, the only contract that I could buy at the time was the Essential Care Service: oil changes (for about $23.00 per service).
In view of the disclaimer, how are y'all getting these dealers to write and commit to an extended warranty service contract?
P.S. I wonder what synethic oil is? I thought our CRD oil was synthetic.
Most likely it was a computer screw up. Mine has done it a few times-just shut it off for a minute or so & restart.
Go to http//richard.fortin.free.fr/kj_diesel/Common_Position_Paper_FIE-{producer_0904.- pdf
Long web address but the information is very important to every Liberty CRD owner. This clearly states why only B-5 is the highest bio fuel to use. This is the exact information V M Motori sent me with a note explaining why to use 5-40w oil.
Farout
A s for prices it is all over the place from $3.069 to $2.759 all with in a 50 mile range. I can't understand why the big differences.
I too believe the Good Lord has blessed us and given us, at least for now a charmed life.
As for the PCM I think you might consider calling 1800 992 1997 the DCX help line. Tell them what the Yard Jeep Service dept has said that's what they do and never have had to replace one they have R&R the PCM with the EGR. Why does your dealer not call STAR. Something with the Tec that you are using us not right. But according to Dan, at Yark Jeep in Toledo, Ohio,
Farout
I had to convince my dealers finance manager to try it, and he did . From the first time I have done this three times. The issue is the dealer does not get paid until the contract is either paid off or canceled. We had this on our 2004 Dodge Neon, and a Texas Driver pulled in front of our daughter. The Neon was totalled, the contract was cancels, we got back about $80. after paying for 14 months. We have been very pleased with the DCX Service Contracts. we have had more than 11 vehicles with those Contracts and never lost a dime. Hope this helps.
Farout
Farout
www.jeepnewsnow.com?modules/news/ This is known by "MIKES TOTALLY FREE JEEP NEWS" This a a very informative site, it's my second favorite web site next to this one. The California emission standards are what 4 other states go by. So DCX is attempting to pass on CA standards or stay the way they now are. Eventually if CA does not make a standard that Diesel vehicles can meet, they may just find they are going to have a hard time finding vehicles to do the work with the gasoline engines only!
But with the very odd governor, who signs bills that demand little children to learn things in school that only parents should teach, then why should we expect more than rejection of standards that 45 States agree is good for them?
Farout
I believe that once Bluetec with the AdBlue liquid is in place, then it should easily pass CARB emissions. Federal emissions rules are going to be very similar if not the same some time down the road.
The biggest road block to the AdBlue liquid will be the EPA.
I use Amsoil 15W-40 full synthetic oil. Many of it's specs are very close to Mobil 1 5W-40 but the vaporization loss rate is about 6.5%.
I am presently working in southern Florida and have located a five star dealer with a factory trained CRD mechanic. They have about 30 or 40 CRD customers. Many of them use this same oil because of the heat here and the mechanic stated that DCX does not really care because the oil meets and or exceeds the CI-4 spec. He also stated that he has never seen any engine issues when using this oil, including the Cummins and Powerstroke diesels.