Jeep Liberty Diesel

banshee1

I'm pretty sure thats what the problem is. Here in Vegas, the best diesel around is 500ppm and it says in the owners manual that you can only use 15ppm. Hmm. We really shouldn't be driving these things until October. By the way, my 05'runs great though I use Redline cataylist EVERYTIME I fill up. No humidity out here either,I think that's a big issue. Installed boost and pyro gauges[because I,m a diesel guy and that's what you're supposed when you buy ANY diesel.Monitor that baby]. Boost, over 25lbs gunstarring it,and average of 800'F. cruising @75. Oil gets dirty fast, probably because of high EGR flow,wonder why alot of people have problems. Oil in my 05' F-350 King Ranch stays clean past 5000 miles.[And Ford wants me to come in and change my egr settings. No way!].It's a drag alot of people are having problems while I,m not having any problems at all.I've been four wheelin',I drive normal except a gunstar here and there.I guess my next mandatory items will be a trans temp gauge[from what i've been reading here], and definately an FS2500 bypass oil filter[scrubber], and a TS Perfomance Max Power MP-8 power module. Keep you posted if[when]problems occur.

synlubes

i have had the same parts replaced other than that love my crd millage about eighteen in town twenty three on the highway i do drive pretty hard my wife says

farout

I saw a 2007 Liberty at the dealership today. I don't think there is any difference at all. Parked next to the 2007 was a 2006, same color and same equipment. Now here is the real kicker, they were both the same price! Only difference was one sticker said 2007 and the other 2006. You would think they would make something not the same.
The 2007 Wrangler officially started making the unlimited and 2 door to be sent out to dealers. See Mikes Totally Free Jeep News for a real long article.

Farout

banshee1

Are they diesel? I thought they weren't making them anymore.

banshee1

Forgot to tell everyone, these babies run hot. The coolest I can get is 400'F after a minute or so of idling. Thats with the probe after the turbo. I run Rotella 5w-40 full syn by the way.

nescosmo

Banshee1..... I think that this EGR valves failure are 90% wrong diagnostic, the dealer tech are not competent in the diesel department. all they do is guest at the problem. I do think that our CRD are free of problems. My EGR was replaced and I did not know that it was bad. my glow plugs were replaced and I never knew they were bad so after the warranty goes i think that if the engine light comes on i just will will put a round sticker over the glass for not to see it. -I did that on my ford e 150 and last me over 185k.

commonrailaz

thx to you all for yer prvious nsights into the predictable troubles and joys of the (getting) older Libby CRD. Almost 30,000 towing a little trailer. The fishing is GOOD! Since a fill up in phx have had a most malodoros malodor creep into my cabin. The dealer said to burn the tank out and get better fuel nexty time, but did at least acknowledge the smell. Well, new fuel, Low Sulpher same smell. Could it be from any other source? AC? I feel a need to tell them something so as to avoid those well practiced shrugs that are apparentlyan essential part of their training.
Any idears surely appreciated,

caribou1

nescosmo, my local dealership wanted to change the complete power steering assembly 40,000 miles ago because of a 'funny noise' they said. I changed dealership and fortunately kept what I had. This would have been easy money for them :mad:

siberia

Thank you for posting the boost and exhaust temperature data, Banshee1. Where inside the vehicle did you locate the gauges?

zachinmi

The AC system can develop an unpleasant musty smell if you're running AC all the time (as you would in hot weather) and you shut off the vehicle with the AC on. If you do this routinely then there is water in the system all the time and mold and other things can grow. Very hard to get out once it comes in. I live in a milder climate and usually run the fan with AC off for at least 10-15 seconds before shut down to remove some water from the system. (Not having to run AC for 8 months of the year helps too!)

farout

banshee1: The CRD was dropped from production in the Spring of this year. It is very doubtful you will see a Liberty with a diesel for a good number of years, if ever. The cost is to high and buyers are not likely to pay an extra $4000. for the diesel. What we paid was just borderline on being too much, I think.

Farout

farout

commonrailaz: If you use your air-cond in the regulating mode most of the time, it will begin to smell about the same as a cat box. They make a spray you can use to rid the smell, but it is only a temp. solution. Best to just keep it on outside air.

Farout

winter2

From what I have heard, the diesel will be offered in 2008, but my source could be wrong.

As to paying too much for the diesel option, I think considering what you got in the package, it was pretty reasonable. If you strip away the other items in the package, the engine itself was an $846 dollar item, a far cry from $4000.

As to what consumers will pay, look at Prius sales. Consumers are willing to pay the large markup the dealer puts on them.

winter2

I have found spraying a hefty dose of Lysol air freshner down the vents tends to help quite a bit.

farout

winter2: Go to www.jeepnewsnow.com/modules/news/ and go back to perhaps july sometime, and you will see what engines are scheduled far into 20012 and 20015. The new engines are called "Phoenix" engines. I think the first of these engines is in the 2007 Wrangler. Perhaps the Nitro, I can't recall. Any way this web site has the news on Jeeps before DCX even puts it out. They have been 100% reliable in the year or more I have been reading their posts. They have a very cool picture of the production line of the new Wrangler.

Farout

farout

Winter2: Yes that works well.I heard of someone putting Pinesol down, and they had to drive with the windows down most of the summer! I think the orignal smell would have been the lessor of the two.

farout

winter2

Putting Pine Sol down the vents is bad news. The pine oil is a solvent of plastic and/or can do some serious damage. I have used Lysol spray over the years and my dealer recommends the same.

banshee1

Since nobody makes a pillar gauge pod setup, I just used the metal pods and screwed them to the pillar. I used Auto Meter Ultra-lites with black pods,I didn't like the setups that are available. The wifey likes em' and their low enough they don't block any view. The wife loves her Jeep and I couldn't pry it from her if I could. She's had two Cherokee's[85',89',89'had intake and exaust mods] and they don't even compare! Wait 'till I get my programmer, bump up my exhaust to 3 1/2",do some ceramic coating, is it time to get a bigger turbo already?

nescosmo

Wwwinter2... I own a sprinter van and the a/c smell bad I took it to the dealer and wammo there was a recall they clean the a/c took care of the algae growth cleaned it for free and I was told that if it happen again bring it back. Maybe the CRD has the same recall, never knows what DC will do next.

winter2

is it time to get a bigger turbo already?

Getting a bigger turbo might give you more boost, but you will probably end up with significantly more turbo lag. With higher boost, you also risk blowing a head gasket or overheating the engine. You could also blow the trans too.

goodcrd

I talked to a few Mechanics who work for an Authorized Detriot Diesel and VM Motori repair facility about the VM Motori engines. They were replacing a turbo under warranty on one of the Series 50 Detriots in the fleet I manage. The only real problem they have dealt with are blown head gaskets on some of the UPS vehicles they service. The engine which has the head gasket problem is the 6 cylinder version with separate cylinder head and gasket for each cylinder. The only advice given is make sure you don't have an overheating issue. Keep the coolers and radiators clean and free of debre.

petoskiins

The last two storms we had caused my sunroof to leak. My CRD is 6 months old. Has this happened to anyone else? The two rainstorms were heavy and my CRD was parked uphill. The dealership said the sunroof drains are working fine and the amount of rain overwhelmed the drain system.

farout

Has anyone heard if new2diesel got his CRD back? I am thinking he must have or we would have had a post saying so.

Farout

banshee1

Not really, it depends on what manufacturer. Aurora has some nice turbo's with dual passages so they can act like both a small and a large turbo,as for the other stuff,don't you read Diesel Power Mag? ARP bolts, Cometic MLS head gaskets, Griffin radiators, need I go on? THANK GOD FOR AMERICA,and the aftermarket!

winter2

Cast iron blocks and aluminum heads have always had issues. Because they have different expansion rates there are issues with head gaskets. I had a Dodge Daytona with a 2.2 L turbo (cast iron block, aluminum head) and until Chrysler made a decent head gasket, it ate them.

Good cooling system maintenance and clean oil are a must in a dual metal engine. In spite of advances in coolant technology, the cooling system will be flushed every third year. I have done this for years and have not had a problem. The radiator and aftercooler are thoroughly washed/rinsed monthly.

winter2

I have seen "Diesel Power" magazine. It seems to be directed at larger stuff like the Dodge Cummins and the Ford Powerstroke engines.

I have not seen anything for the CRD as of yet except for a cat back exhaust system by DynoMax.

I will look at this magazine to see what they say about our CRDs.

misery1

I have also noticed this. I'm actually very glad to hear someone else noticed this.

My CRD 05 has just returned from a month long dealership visit with a new TC, trans pump, cooler and reflash installed. I didn't notice it before the work so perhaps it is part of the latest flash. Is yours a 05 or 06? Did you get yours re-flashed?

Thanks for posting

goodcrd

My CRD is a 3/05 build date. No I haven't had any reflash done for the trans. Just the PCM for the EGR valve. I didn't notice the downshifting to a second gear stop until the battery went bad. It wouldn't hold a charge strong enough to start the engine after sitting two or more days. After the battery issue was corrected the problem has settled down with the harsh downshifting, but after some stop and go traffic (40mph, stop, 40mph, stop) I notice the jeep stopping in 2nd. Then it will drop into first when I let off the brake. It's not harsh anymore and its seems to becoming much less noticeable the more I drive. I think it's the Adaptive memory of the trans adjusting to my driving habits. It should clear after 500 miles of having the battery changed or 50 warm up cycles which ever happens first.

new2diesel

Farout,
I just got my CRD back last night. So here are the particulars if any of you are interested. VTDOG, here is the "proof" you requested. My 05 Sport was in the shop from July 18th until last night August 30th for transmission failure. According to the repair ticket, they put in a new torque converter, redesigned trans pump and redesigned trans cooler. They also performed transmission TSB 2100906 and replaced the radiator. The total for the parts was $1,139.82 and my estimate of the labor was about equal to the parts. This took 44 days by my records, mostly due to the redesign of the parts.

The service Manager said when they took the torque converter out that it was the bluest metal he has ever seen. He said the heat must have been extraordianrly high to turn it such a deep blue. The interesting thing is the computer never gave me a code and no warning lights ever activated. There was absolutely no warning or indication of this prior to failure other than a little momentary shuttering at random times. The shutter was so light that I wasn't sure anything had happened. The first few times I mistook it for rough pavement.

I never even drove the vehicle when it was finished. I called the dealership I traded it to and said come get it. I have such little faith in those vehicles that I absolutely didn't want to risk it breaking again if I took it on a test drive.

I have turned this whole thing over to legal counsel to pursue and hope to improve my loss on this Jeep. As I have said all along - this CRD was a good idea but bad execution. :lemon:

If any of you want more specifics or part numbers etc, feel free to ask. VTDOG don't ask.

I wish you all luck and happiness with your vehicles. I also hope none of you have to go through what I have.
Cao

prairiegirl

Cao, my 2006 also shudders (just a little and very infrenquently) nothing else. I love this little jeep! But, your story is a headsup. Can't imagine that the transmission getting so hot without smelling something. Did it ever smell hot when you got out of the vehicle? I haven't noticed anything other than a tiny shudder.

cerich

Strange how I'm jealous of you! I want that to happen to me, I get symptoms every now and then of where it is gong but want it to trash, Then I get the new parts and I can rest easy knowing that the CRD will have the longevity I want. (shooting for at least 300,000 miles from it) Until that happens I just wait and hope when it does go it will be while still in warranty.

Your a lucky guy and you traded it in??? The CRD was the best SUV bang for buck EVER and I would be surprised if we ever see a vehicle with so much going for it at so low a price ever again.

The problems it had are't that bad

LBJ's,, fxed next month SOLVED!
EGR, ULSD bu mid Oct and better EGR now being used, SOLVED!
TC/Pump/cooler issues, addressed and new parts, just need it to bust under warranty! SOLVED!
Water in the intake filter area. SOLVED by CRD users, get a 2002 airbox/snorkel

Did I miss anything not solved? Anybody???

new2diesel

Prairiegirl,
The only time there was a smell was after it blew and about threw me through the windshield. I could definately smell burnt transmission fluid everywhere. Before that - not a smell or tell tale sign.

All I can say is if you are getting a shutter on the down shirt (mine was going from second to first gear), then I would take it in and DEMAND a larger cooler and pump. Tell them you are saving them from replacing the Torque Converter. They know about this problem at Jeep. If the dealer doesn't all they have to do is call and reference the TSB number I gave you. The problem if it goes out unexpectedly is up to 40+ days in the shop depending on part availability. If you take it in, then you copuld be driving it while they order the parts.

As for me, I needed transportation I could count on - so I dumped it. I'm not into the romance of a botique vehicle. I just want something that works and continues to run when I need it. A total of 4 times to the shop and 47 days out of commisssion in 9 months is not what I would call reliable. Good luck with yours.

new2diesel

Cerich,
I can't say I have had anyone say they are jealous of my misfortunes but I understand what you mean. I hope you get your wish and the transmission blows so you can get it fixed if that is what you want. I guess some people really love these things beyond common sense and reason. Good for you - I truely am glad you are happy. I dumped that pig! As they say, you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still just a pig. My pig had a chrome grille and common rail diesel! Catch ya later - Oink Oink

cerich

well I like jeeps and I like diesels, so happy it makes me...

Of course I have 4 vehicles so when the jeep is down it isn't a big thing. I also only use it for highway or fun, not daily errands which causes less problems overall.

rnabors

I doubt that just because a person does not agree with your point of view that it makes them "beyond common sense and reason".
I have an 05 and have not had a problem of any kind--in fact I have never personally spoken to a CRD owner that had anything but glowing comments about their Jeep.
I don't have supporting data but suspect that the problems per manufactured unit with the CRD has been in line with other manufactures.
It is unfortunate that you and some others on the forum had problems but please don't assume that all owners have had the same experience.
Believe it or not their are lots of owners like me that are very happy.

new2diesel

Rnabors,
I have been on this board for a good while now and fully recognize that there are many people out there that love thier CRD's. I am happy for them - I'm just not one of them. Many people loved the chevy vega but that did not make it a good car. Good is in the eyes of the beholder. But in the eyes of JD Powers, Jeep doesn't rank very well. Most think the Grand Cherokee is the best vehicle they make. I personally happen to think it is the classic cherokee sport which was replaced by the Liberty. I own one of those too. However,
I still don't rank Jeep as a quality car manufactorer. I rank them as a fun car manufactorer. But hey, we are all entitled to our opinions.
Hasta Luego :shades:

farout

Got my first tank of the ULSD today. Paid $2.90 a gallon at WalMart. I will let youknow how it does tommrow.

Farout

caribou1

The service Manager said when they took the torque converter out that it was the bluest metal he has ever seen.
Many moons ago we discussed about putting the transmission into "Neutral" position when the truck was stopped. I had noticed that the torque converter was pulling hard on the brakes at idle speed. Couldn't this be the cause of the overheating considering there is no or very little cooling when the truck is stopped?

siberia

Hasta Luego

New2diesel, Jeep in Spanish is pronounced, "Heep".

bmartinpe

The check engine light came on recently for the fourth time. This makes the fifth EGR that the Libby has had. I immediately went from the dealer to emissions testing, and my dear Libby failed! :mad: Plus the check engine light came back on!

I discovered that when the tech resets the codes, the Libby's brain needs a couple hundred miles to relearn my driving habits. In other words, I should have spent a half tank of fuel before seeing the emissions tester. There was about a 45 minute wait in line at the test location. Is is possible that with all that idling that the EGR stuck open?

The dealer reset the codes, ordered another EGR, plate, and tube, and will let me know when the parts arrive. So far (about 50 miles since the new reset) the check engine light has not come on.

zachinmi

So the Spanglish version is "heap"?

(To avoid any doubt, I'm a happy CRD owner)

new2diesel

In spanish the "j" is pronounced as "h" - I guess that would make it a Heep! :P Mine certainly was! But I have to admit, it sure did look good sitting in the parking lot for 44 days while it was being "repaired".... or was that re-engineered ?

farout

bmartinpe: Until your dealer changes the PCM when they change the EGR, you will continue to be going back to have the EGR changed. I wonder why the Tec does not think about what is at the root of the EGR problems. The dealer who can inform your tec about this critical PCM change is at Yark Jeep in Toledo, Ohio. The CRD tec is one that even helps the factory, his name is DAN. These dealerships that just replace the EGR without checking out why and what else to do ought to take down the Five Stars off their sign, and replace the Stars with toilet paper rolls! Hope this gets your problem solved once and for all.

Farout

farout

new2diesel: I do not want to seem like an old grump, but if you have finally disposed yourself of you "heep" that's what you wanted. However, instead of bleeding all over the "JEEP LIBERTY DIESEL" forum, keep your integrity and move on so others won't think you are just stirring up more discontent for others who are pleased or are not too sure about what they are reading.
I sympathize with your situation, and others do too, we have expressed our sincere empathy for your unsatisfactory experience with your Liberty CRD.
For your own good will for us remaining with our CRD's it might be in your best interest to remain supportive for us who like our CRD's. If you are needing more time to work out you bitter (justified) feelings, it might be you need to give the JEEP LIBERTY DIESEL a brake for a while.

Farout

stever

Well, you did ask what happened to his CRD just two days ago.

Now you know. :shades:

cerich

it most likely failed emissions because the CRD's computer couldn't be read by the tester, check out the F31 recall on the Liberty CRD for this exact reason.

I just got off the phone over my CRD and DC admits to having multiple software issues and problems getting the F31 recall to work. Thankfully I don't have emissions testing where I live!

DC did the recall becasue they are in violation of Federal law for emissions and had to do something to keep the fed at bay, problem is while they are keeping the fed at bay they have no REAL fix, but they are scrambling I am sure!
Good luck!

gcgarret

Thank you farout

farout

steve: I have empathy for him, because Most of us have been burnt real good at sometime or other. If you recall there were some who doubted the reality of his issues. I defended him fully. I can imagine how it would feel if I lost half of my CRD's value in on a tradein. I would be really not nice to be near for a while. Perhaps when the reality of how badly he got stung settles down, we can be of more help? I do feel sad for him.
I have not given up the feeling that we (us who bought CRD's) were a "test market". I have jsut come to the point where as long as I have good service from the CRD I will keep more of a level head.

Farout

goodcrd

The blue metal and sudden major failure of the torque converter is due to the failure of the torque converter's clutch. It must not have been engaging properly for what ever the reason. If the trans was overheating by way of the fluid heating up you should have gotten a trans code and warning light. But with the converter failure what they replaced in the trans: Pump, Cooler and Converter is just repairing the damage. They need a definitive answer as to what caused the converter clutch not to engage and disengage properly. Were the clutch surfaces warped, was the valve body controlling the converter clutch defective, was the wire harness and or soleniods inside the trans working properly and not shorting out. With the failure seen in this trans it should have jumped out and bit the tech repairing it. This kind of failure happens to a lot of vehicles. But if the trans shudders on downshifting something is definitly wrong. I hope they fixed this trans. If not it will be back in the shop shortly for the same problem.

05crdjeep

What size/type wrench do I need for the oil drain plug? Anybody know offhand?