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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I just get the feeling the GAO published this article to get Congress' attention so they can get more funding and get back on track. I doubt you and l will ever notice.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Just found this discussion. About 6 weeks ago I bought a TomTom XL330 S.

    It's a 4.3 with text to speech. I used it on a trip from Boston to DC and around that area for a few days. Matilda seemed to do her job very well with only a few minor glitches. The only issues were the use of HOV lanes in Northern VA and having to get off them and turn around to get to Alexandria and when returning home, she took me off of 95N at the GW Bridge in NYC and routed me on the parkways instead of the Cross Bronx Expressway. That route didn't add any time but it was white knuckle driving in a torrential rain and at night.

    It does have a red light camera database which was useful in DC. I had more of an issue with inputing addresses in DC due to all the directional infomation needed.

    So far I've updated it a couple of times and TomTom doesn't charge for updates. It ran me under $150 - it was on sale for $200 and I had some Staples bucks to use.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I wouldn't worry to much about it. A GPS can work with as little as 3 satellites (although 4 would make it more accurate). I do believe that at any one time you can pick up 5 or 6 satellites at any one time. I also believe that there are 3 or 4 spare ones up their already (unless they have been activated to replace failed satellites).

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    When I got my first one I tried both and simply preferred the interface that Garmin offered.

    To be fair I haven't really looked at one lately, but I'm happy with Garmin so I haven't felt a need to change brands. Plus it's easy to copy Favorites over to a new GPS when you're brand loyal.

    I did sample a Dash device and it was awful, and that sent me running back to Garmin.

    Free map updates would be nice, though. Is that for the life of the device, or what?
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm only on my first unit and went with Garmin because it seemed to get the best recommendations. Nothing against any other brand but I'm very pleased with eth Garmin.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Another thing - a while back they did cost a bit more, but now I've noticed their prices more in line with competitors.

    I paid $149 for a 4.3" screen with text-to-speech and a quick satellite signal, plus it has Canada maps. No major corners were cut and that's very low cost.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    For a while there I heard that Tom-Tom was more popular in Europe and Garmin led in the US. Don't know if that's still true. Garmin also led with handheld gizmos here too I think so they have the "first eyeballs" advantage going for them.

    I'm pretty happy with my off-brand Nextar.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I was wrong - Tomtom releases new maps every quarter. Their service runs $79 for a single annual upgrade or $40 for quarterly updates.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cheapest I've seen the Garmin Map Update was $65 at Costco, that being for the single annual upgrade.

    Or you can pay $119 IIRC and get lifetime map updates for one GPS device. Worth it if you pick a high-end model you're likely to keep for a while.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I was wrong - Tomtom releases new maps every quarter. Their service runs $79 for a single annual upgrade or $40 for quarterly updates.

    I should note - that $40 is an annual cost for the 4 updates so it runs half the price of a single annual upgrade.

    Further, that's the update cost for my particular model - others will vary.

    The $40 a year isn't bad IMHO.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Very cheap, actually. Any better and it would basically have to be free.

    Subaru charges $230 for the 2 updated DVDs for the Tribeca. Ouch. Funny thing is there is a West Coast DVD and an East Coast DVD, so often people here buy them and split them, $115 each.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I haven't read the article yet, but the photo alone is worth it.

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    Tech Tuesdays: Connected Portable Nav Test -- Internet Search Hits the Highway (Edmunds Daily)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think these are all v1.0 and will improve a lot in the near future. I actually think Edmunds scores were a bit generous, all Bs and As. C should be the average, and save the As for the real gems.

    I'm also a little disappointed that they didn't include a Garmin with MSN Direct in place of that Alpine. When I hear Alpine I think of audio stuff, not GPS.

    Any how, I wonder if enough people will pay for all these subscription-based services. Like XM and Sirius, the business model won't sustain several competing services - they will have to merge and form one good one shared by the GPS industry. I bet half of these will be obsolete within 3 years.

    Another thing - they rate the MSN Direct as the best traffic service, yet other feedback I've heard puts that well behind XM Traffic.

    I will say that I do see room for improvement in my Garmin's search function, for instance picking the right category alone can be difficult. I was looking for the county recycling center and it fell under "Community", which is not exactly intuitive. So a Google-style search would really help.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    ateixeira... I need help..
    I have a Garmin Nuvi 250 and the wife and I are going to drive from Southern NJ to Williamsburg, Va. I want to go via Rt.13 in Delaware and on down thru Maryland and NOT to use Rt. 95 and GO the "Scenic Route:....but I don't know how to get to "the scenic route" if there is such a way...It always puts me on Rt.95 most of the way. Everytime I type in the address of the Williamsburg Lodge it puts me on the Rt. 95 highway.
    Can you advise???? my Email is nortsr@comcast.net

    nortsr
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, good news/bad news.

    The bad news first. Your Garmin is a very basic model, so it doesn't allow you to set multiple waypoints or a preset path prior to leaving on your trip. Other models do, but not your Nuvi 250.

    The good news is you can still make it work, it's just going to take a bit of effort. Well, a lot of effort, but still, worth it.

    What you'll have to do is set multiple destinations and maybe some way points inbetween.

    I just drove on Rt. 13 on Monday, coming home from the beach, so maybe I can help a little. Let's see. I would probably set the Destination as the towns you drive through, and change that as you go.

    From North to South, you could set Desinations as:

    Stop 1: Cape May, NJ - then take the Cape-May Lewis Ferry, which should be gorgeous this time of year.

    Stop 2 Option A: from there, go to Dewey Beach, then Ocean City, then Berlin, all MD. It will take longer but those are all the beach towns.

    Stop 2 Option B: skip the coast, and go take Rt 13 instead. Set your destinations to Georgetown, then Laurel, then Salisbury. You will mostly see corn fields and chicken farms (Purdue is all over the eastern shore).

    So option A if you like the beach, option B if you like farm land. Be ready for the stench of chicken manure if you pick B!

    Stop 3 would be Pocomoke City, then keep going south on Rt. 13 all the way to Kiptopeke. Then take the Chesapeake Bridge/Tunnel, which is breath-takingly beautiful but be ready for the take-your-breath-away Toll as well. It was $22 last time I went.

    At that point you're close, Williamsburg is a little north but again you're in a scenic area so it would be a nice drive.

    Do it, at least once. It was take several hours longer (hence why the Garmin routes you elsewhere), no doubt, but you will really enjoy the journey. That's a full day at least, maybe even stop for a day at one of the beaches on the way down, you'll love it.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    Thanks ateixeira....will take option #2
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool, have a great trip.

    Garmin's POI database in that area is not particularly great, they still don't have the McDonald's in Bridgeville, and it's been there since the 1980s at least.

    Still, you should see plenty of gas stations and food stops along the way.

    Watch out for speed traps in all the small towns, especially where the speed limit drops. And also watch for red light cams on Rt. 13, don't run yellows!
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    What I do to fake out my TomTom is to set the destination but take the general way I want to go. Eventually, she caves and figures out what I'm doing.

    In your case, I'd set the destination for someplace in DE on Rt. 13. Once you get there, follow 13 and then set your destination for Williamsbug. Eventually the nav will reconfigure for the ferry and in from the coast.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Also check under Avoidances to make sure Ferrys are not among them. Same for toll roads.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    robr2 and atexixeira...again... thanks for the advice and will report back in on Thursday, when I return back to NJ.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Good recommendation on the Cape May Lewes Ferry. I live about an hour north of the Cape May end.

    If you're planning a trip on that some time let me know. I can always use an excuse to take that ride.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    I don't get to use my Nuvi 350 much, but recently I did on a trip to the Bay Area. After I entered the address of my destination, it asked if I wanted to simulate the route. What is that about, and should I have said yes or no? I don't recall exactly, but I think I said no, and it froze on me. I then shut it off and restarted, and I don't think I got that message again.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Have been tempted by all the Best Buy ads to upgrade to a newer and better Nuvi (even though I don't really need one! :P ). Can anyone comment on the usefulness of the following features:

    4.3" vs. 3.5" screen (a friend of mine says the bigger screen makes no difference since you're perpetually only interested in limited scope of view anyway. ie. the road and intersection coming up, and the bigger screen is not going to give you more pertinent details);

    Bluetooth;
    Lane Assist;
    3-D view;
    FM (don't most cars have FM already?!;
    Traffic (the consensus seems to be this is not useful)

    Any advice would be much appreciated.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,399
    I think you get this if the antenna is closed. Don't know why it would freeze up though.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    The freezing up could have been just a coincidence. You're probably right about the antenna, because I remember I was programming it holding it in my hand so I probably hadn't flipped the antenna up.
  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    The Garmin Nuvi 760 is now for sale on Amazon for $200.It`s a very good system.I was able to drive on newly constructed roads.
    Have any of u folks used the 760?Is it adequate or are there better models around?
    Your opinion?Thanks.
  • santrasantra Member Posts: 1
    Hi ,

    Anyone has experience in writing ipod usb driver based on ipod accessory protocol? The driver is for receiving information like playlist, song list etc from ipod.

    TIA,
    Santra
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If the antennae is off the Garmins will let you simulate the route, so when you are indoors or at home and want to see which way it would take you, you can, without actually driving them (useful in the NJ to VA trip above).

    I guess with the antennae down it's off on those models. My Nuvi 200 series units don't have that extendable antennae.

    The refurbished model I had froze, but that's why I returned it. Hopefully that doesn't keep happening to yours. You may want to do all the updates from the MyGarmin site, they have some bug fixes incorporated.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'll comment on some of those features:

    4.3" vs. 3.5": I like the big screens. It's not so much for the map display (I use Direction up, so that only adds map data so the sides), it's for the bigger keyboard when you enter street names. My 260w even has a QWERTY keyboard, which is a lot nicer than the ABCD type.

    Bluetooth: I don't get why this would be that helpful, please enlighten me, oh BlueTooth Fairy.

    Why would you want to shout at your windshield when you can just use your speakerphone, which is much closer? The Nuvi's speakers are not particularly high quality, worse than the old StreetPilot c340 I have. Maybe to link the POI database to your phone, to call ahead to make a restaurant reservation? I have wanted that feature exactly zero times. If you do use your phone to call POI entries from your GPS, then it could come in handy.

    Lane Assist: haven't sampled it but this has potential. I simply look at the maps to see which way the exit goes, left, right, sharp or gradual, so I don't think I've ever missed a lane with my GPS. I have missed a lane *without* my GPS, ironically the last time that happened was when I drove to Costco to buy my 3rd unit. :D

    I think it would be handy if you live in an area with complicated intersections, like Pentagon City in Arlington, VA, or the mixing bowl, or the NYC area.

    FM probably is to let the sound be broadcast to your car stereo at a certain frequency (e.g. 88.1 FM). The speakers are better, but you'll get static, and as you drive stations may interfere, so I'd pass. We have a DVD player that uses FM and I got a cable so we don't need to hear all that interference.

    Traffic - while reviews I've seen were so-so, due to outdated information, this does have a lot of potential. Garbage in, garbage out, but if the service improves I'd want this feature.

    I was close, very close, to choosing a 265wt model, but I settled for the 260w instead for about $80 less. I didn't think I'd use anything but the traffic, and I'm yet to be convinced it's accurate and timely enough to be truly useful.

    Good luck.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Thanks for your insightful comments. Really appreciate it. :)

    Re: the lane assist, I haven't seen a unit with it in action, but I'm thinking if it displays the multiple-lane off ramps, then that would help me decide ahead of time if I would need to risk life and limp crossing 4 lanes of traffic to make the next exit ramp! :cry:
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Bluetooth: I don't get why this would be that helpful, please enlighten me, oh BlueTooth Fairy

    Perhaps it allows bluetooth connectivity with the vehicle so the instructions play over the audio system??
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's better than "keep right, then keep left", which is what I get.

    Like I said, though, I look at the maps and I can figure it out by the direction of the path.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    That's better than "keep right, then keep left", which is what I get.

    That's the special Boston model you have....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    My trip from southern NJ to Williamsburg worked out great with the Garmin. Since I already knew how to get to the Delaware Memorial Bridge from my So. Jersey home (Sewell, NJ) I [programmed in Delaware Memorial Bridge as the starting point and the destination of Dover Delaware (this was done so that I would not have to use Rt.#95 and instead, use Route 13. Once the Garmin used that route, I then programmed in the final destination of the Williamsburg Lodge address.
    As I had stated in an earlier post, we wanted a scenic route as opposed to the Rt.95 mad house (especially around the D.C. area.).
    We left our home at 6:30 Sunday morning....had a very nice traffic free trip, went over and under the Cheasapeake Bay Tunnel Bridge and arrived at the Williamsburg Lodge at 1:30 P.M. We stopped for approx. 45 minutes at the Bay Tunnel restauraunt (which was the pits as far as the food was concerned), but we tried it and will never eat there again. Other than that experience, all went well.
    It is practically Rt. 13 all the way and then pick up Rt.64 into Williamsburg.We revesed the trip today,left Williamsburg at 7:45 A:M. and returned home at around
    2:00 P:M.
    Thanks for all the advice. By the way ateixeira, I took your advice as to "speeding" thru the small 35 mph towns and 50 mph zones. There were "unmarked" Ford Crown Vic police cars at MANY different areas giving out tickets. I'm a retired Police Officer (26 years) but I "TRY" to stay in the speed zone area...give or take 5 mph.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    good thing you left early, otherwise you would been snared by the Sunday race day traffic heading to Dover.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    explorerx4...Yes, when we passed the Dover Raceway, the State Police were already doing "traffic control" to the "backed up cars" waiting to get into the parking areas....and that was somewhere between 7:30 and 8:30 A:M..(I really don't quite remember the exact time. The wholle right hand lane was backed up, but luckily we passed right on by.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Very glad to hear it went well.

    I'm not surprised to hear about the speed traps, why not collect taxes from out-of-state drivers, right? Deleware has no state sales tax so they have to make it up somewhere. ;)

    I should have suggested the crabs at Higgins Crab House in Ocean City, they're great. Or Phillips seafood if you like King Crabs.

    Glad to hear you had a good trip. We stayed home. Weekends when they have those Dover races are a nightmare for me - the beach traffic and race traffic merge right before the MD Bay Bridge, just 3 lanes to get back across.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    That's better than "keep right, then keep left", which is what I get.

    That's the special Boston model you have....


    Hey - that's not fair. If it were the Boston model, it would say "Keep right on the sidewalk and then bear left over the traffic island and cut off everyone as the light turns green."
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    Question: I would like to purchase a "friction GPS dash mat holder" for my Garmin. I went to EBay and CompuPlus and the "NavMat" holder for approx. $18.00 (free shipping) is the only one I came up with. Would this actually be supportive enough to keep it upright when making a turn or sudden type stop?? Or would a larger heavier base help if available??? If so, I would like your advice if possible.

    Thanks,
    Nortsr
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    That would certainly be a sign in keeping with the spirit of Boston.

    My favorite actual signs up there are on Storrow Drive where it says (at least as of a few years back), Kenmore Square - Keep Right." It does this for several signs over a mile and then the exit is a left hand exit.

    What? You ignored our recommendation of the Cape May Ferry? Shame.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    My favorite actual signs up there are on Storrow Drive where it says (at least as of a few years back), Kenmore Square - Keep Right." It does this for several signs over a mile and then the exit is a left hand exit.

    Well you do keep right on the left hand ramp!!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Well you do keep right on the left hand ramp!! :confuse:

    Sounding too much like Charlie on the MTA...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think it will depend on the shape of your dash. Some lean down towards the driver and may not work very well.

    It really depends on where you put it and the shape (slope) of that surface.

    Personally, I like vent mounts. Puts the device close to your fingers and eyes. Square vents work better than round vents, however, as I found out recently. It's hard to keep the angle just right on my Miata's round vents.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    We bought the Garmin friction mat and my wife and I both like it. It hasn't moved on any dash in any traffic situation yet. We bought the Garmin version over the generics because I didn't like the idea of using the suction cup to hold the Nuvi to the generic pad.

    Easy to move between vehicles, easy to hide when leaving the car. No suction cup mark on the windshield that says "rob me."
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    I'll go to google and type that in. Thanks for the reply.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I tried one in a rental Accord I had in Florida and it was OK. It did slide around a little, but it never fell. I did like how quickly you could hide the whole thing out of view.
  • anthonyy1anthonyy1 Member Posts: 1
    I have telenav with AT&t and I can't live without it, literally. I have had a Garmin nuvi 750 and TomTom GO 720, and Telenav literally has at least twice the POI. I remember those expensive map updates too, telenav has FREE map, poi, voice, etc updates. I first saw TeleNav mentioned in the New York Times and then I went to their website: www.telenav.com $10/month is a great deal, especially considering it offers more features than a $600 standalone unit. I prefer this over any built-in car gps or standalone unit. What do you guys/gals think?
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    I'll stick with my Garmin. $10.00/month is not worth it to me. Possibly for someone who uses needed directions constantly...but not me.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    $10/month = $120/year, which almost = to a new stand-alone GPS every year. Plus, do you still require a data plan with AT & T in addition to the Telenav subscription?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For me it would depend on the device.

    If you have a big 4" plus screen on an iPhone or something like that, and it had voice commands (I hear apple finally allowed that), then it's a potential replacement.

    But to read a tiny 2" cell phone screen is not enough, to me, to replace an all-in-one unit, especially when prices on those have plunged.

    What phone to you have the service on? How big is the screen? Does it offer voice commands while you drive?

    I do have a BlackBerry Curve 8900 device with T-Mobile data service, and I have Google Maps on that. But the written directions on that are hard to follow, and it's text or map; I want both. It doesn't speak directions. It does have traffic data but it's usually out-of-date.

    It is GPS capable but the screen on the 8900 is just 2.3" so I don't subscribe.
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