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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Should've got a Tom Tom.

    Tom Tom Adds Voice Navigation by Homer Simpson (Straightline)

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  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    The one kicker is the "added cost" to hear that voice. I believe I read $9.95/ month but I could be wrong??>?>??
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Don't they already offer Mr. T and Bugs Bunny?

    I knew we should have taken that left at Albuquerque.

    Neat but likely annoying once the novelty wears off, plus do those voices include text-to-speech? If not then I'd never use it.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    The one kicker is the "added cost" to hear that voice. I believe I read $9.95/ month but I could be wrong??

    You be wrong.

    Typically voices for a TomTom are about $10 one time. There are other user done voices that many times are free.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Neat but likely annoying once the novelty wears off, plus do those voices include text-to-speech? If not then I'd never use it.

    AFAIK, none of the TomTom novelty voices does text to speech - only the computer generated voices.

    It would cost a whole lot more for the celebrity to speak every possible word and probably take lots of memory space.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    I think Mr. T or Buggs Bunny would be a lot better than listening to "Claire" (the woman on my Garmin). I am so sick of her saying "RECALCULATING" because I am going the way I want to, instead of her way.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

    Funny thing is I like the Australian voice vs. the American or British one when it comes to computer-generated text-to-speech voices on my Garmin. Nice to have choices.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yippee, I get to use that great Navs on the dashboard photo again. But the rest of the story ....

    "New Jersey was one of the first states to outlaw handheld mobile phone use while driving, and now a state legislator wants to ban using a navigation system while a vehicle is in motion. According to the Daily Record, Democratic Assemblyman Harvey Smith of Jersey City has introduced a bill that would make it a violation for a driver to enter a destination into a navigation system while a car is in motion, other than via voice activation. The fine would be $100 for each infraction."

    Car Tech Tuesdays: NJ Lawmaker Seeks Ban on Using Nav Systems While Driving (Edmunds Daily)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    other than via voice activation

    I bet that becomes a hot seller pretty soon.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    "New Jersey was one of the first states to outlaw handheld mobile phone use while driving, and now a state legislator wants to ban using a navigation system while a vehicle is in motion. According to the Daily Record, Democratic Assemblyman Harvey Smith of Jersey City has introduced a bill that would make it a violation for a driver to enter a destination into a navigation system while a car is in motion, other than via voice activation. The fine would be $100 for each infraction."

    Have fun enforcing that one. So are they going to see you select a POI? Does that count? Or changing the zoom level? Or selecting an iPod track using a GPS with iPod support (or any MP3 for that matter)?

    So its a poorly written un-enforceable law that isn't going anywhere. They would me much better off passing a law on the units themselves that lock out non-voice destination entry while driving, like Toyota, BMW, Ford, Nissan...

    Telematics: In 2002, voluntary safety guidelines to enhance driver focus when using telematics were developed by the Alliance, the Intelligent Transportation Society of America, the Society of Automotive Engineers, the Consumer Electronics Association, AAA, the National Safety Council, AIAM and the Truck Manufacturers Association.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Even in those cases people figure out how to over-ride them.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    AT&T Navigator Becomes First Turn-by-Turn Nav App for the iPhone (Edmunds Daily)

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    Gee, one device will enable you to get busted for inputting a POI, texting and talking on the cell. :shades:
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    They would me much better off passing a law on the units themselves that lock out non-voice destination entry while driving, like Toyota, BMW, Ford, Nissan...

    I can override my Toyota Sequoia NAV so my wife can input addresses while moving. I hate that lockout feature. If NJ is no better at enforcing the NAV law than CA the Cell phone law, it is just more wasted paper.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    It is just wasted paper. We have enough non-compliance on our cell phone law. Add to this one the fact that it's a much dumber idea since almost anything you'd be hitting a GPS for would take your eyes even more off the road done any other way. I mean would you rather I touched the screen of my GPS or hauled out a map?
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    You should actually pull over to get and look at the map and same goes for the touch screen method....but.... I know, we don't do what we should really do....DO WE?????
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm pretty good about that. well, in most cases I'm the stereotypical guy with it - I don't need directions! I'm not lost!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    I can override my Toyota Sequoia NAV so my wife can input addresses while moving. I hate that lockout feature. If NJ is no better at enforcing the NAV law than CA the Cell phone law, it is just more wasted paper.

    Do you have a pre-07 or do you have "lockpick?" Toyota got in a spot of trouble for that "diagnostic mode" and its gone now. I think you need to have a USB key or something in the back to make that work.

    The way those lockouts work is it reads the VSS, and that is reasonably easy to interrupt going to the device. The more recent ones pull speed from the GPS itself, which is more of a challenge to defeat.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Mine is a 2007 Sequoia. Not a great NAV. In fact if it is the best Toyota has to offer I would never buy another one. Cannot find its way out of a paper sack. It has been slightly useful would be my analysis. Sent me on a dirt road with a locked gate. I would never waste the money to update unless it was like $25 for a new DVD. Is pretty much clueless on best routes to anywhere I have input.

    You go into diagnostics and hit over ride. That lets you do anything until you shut the vehicle off. Then you have to do the little ritual. Another complaint. You want to go from San Diego to Phoenix you have to reload the different areas. No inputting an address in Albuquerque and have it take you there. Over all I am not that impressed with NAV. I will not leave home without my AAA maps.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's not their best, I think the Solara gets Toyota's best GPS. I found out when I asked around in the Toyota forums. That plus Lexus, of course.

    An update DVD would probably cost more like $2-300.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Looks great, Steve. I know that if I had an iPhone I'd be all over that. The free automatic updates and the gas prices and traffic integration, plus the voice recognition, sort of combine the best features of many Garmin models I've shopped.

    In fact, if all those things really work, it would be among the very best.

    Garmin and Tom Tom should be afraid. Very afraid.

    Now, if only my work wouldn't have an exclusive deal with T-Mobile, maybe I could get one....
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I'm starting to wonder when the shake-outs will start. Lots of choices out there.

    New Audi System, BMW Adds Real-Time Updates (Straightline)

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Today, Garmin released a free, mandatory GPS software update to correct a software issue that has been discovered to cause select GPS devices to repeatedly attempt to update GPS firmware, and then either shut down or no longer acquire GPS satellite signals. The products affected are the nüvi 7x5 series, nüvi 800 series, nüvi 8x5 series, zūmo 660, GPSMAP 620 and GPSMAP 640."

    Free, mandatory GPS software available now (Garmin)
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,281
    I have an original iPhone. It looks like the navigation software will only work with the 3G. I didn't upgrade to a 3G and don't plan to based upon the fact that I live in a rural area and don't want to pay $10/month extra for the privilege of having 3G service when I travel to an urban area. Some of the regional cell providers offer 3G service in this area, just not AT&T. I will be glad when Apple dumps AT&T.

    I applaud Garmin's new "update for life" subscription, but I wonder whether I'd be better off saving the money and putting it towards buying a newer nav unit with a larger screen. I have a nuvi 360 with a 3.5" screen, and the newer units with the larger screen look... nicer.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I will be glad when Apple dumps AT&T.

    Amen. They're only ranked 3rd in DC for coverage, behind Verizon and T-Mobile.

    I hear you on the upgrades, too. I have 2010 maps on my new one, but my wife's C340 and my 200w have 2008 maps, and I'm not sure I'd invest in those cheaper ones. In fact I think I can find a new 200w for nearly the same cost. The c340 has a small screen, so I could get a similar 255 for also the same cost, and in both cases I'd have a warranty.

    It's worth it if you buy a high-end model, though. In that case you're likely to keep it for a long time.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    TWO Swedes expecting the golden beaches of the Italian island of Capri got a shock when tourist officials told them they were 650km off course in the northern town of Carpi, after mistyping the name in their GPS.
    "It's hard to understand how they managed it. I mean, Capri is an island," said Giovanni Medici, a spokesman for Carpi regional government, said today.

    "It's the first time something like this has happened."

    The middle-aged couple, who were not identified, only discovered their error when they asked staff in the local tourist office on Saturday how to drive to the island's famous "Blue Grotto".

    "They were surprised, but not angry," Mr Medici said.

    "They got back in the car and started driving south."

    The picturesque island of Capri, famed as a romantic holiday destination, lies in the Gulf of Naples in southern Italy and has been a resort since Roman times.

    Carpi is a busy industrial town in the province of Emilia Romagna, at the other end of Italy.


    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25851440-401,00.html
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Honey, we are not lost! We have a GPS! :D
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My wife still insists on her AAA maps. Our Toyota NAV is less than great or accurate on routing. I think the handhelds such as Garmin are a better use of our GPS dollars.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We're on the last leg of our week in California and my cheapo nav, even with maps dating back to '06, has been terrific. Several times I overruled my wife's map instructions and went with "the other woman" on the nav unit and it was always right. Even the POIs were handy.

    My unit doesn't handle "choose alternate routes" very readily. For touroids like us, a blue highways version would be great (of course, there don't seem to be many blue highways left in much of California - even long stretches of Highway 1 are like freeways now).
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,586
    Ad in my sunday paper.. Dell.com offering the Nuvi 780 for $179.. just through Monday.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds good. That was a $400-500 unit a year or two ago. Amazing.

    I think they are dropping it and offering new models with voice recognition and/or bigger screens.

    Garmin finally lost a GPS comparo - C&D seemed to like a Magellan model better (though they did complement the Garmin).

    But then CR comes out with yet another comparo and Garmin once again takes the top spot, with the new model that accepts voice commands.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Pioneer's New AVIC-Z110BT Nav Flagship: A Desktop in Your Dash? (Edmunds Daily)

    "Though loaded to the gills with the latest in-car technology, the coolest and most consumer friendly aspect of the new Pioneer AVIC-Z110 navigation receiver is no doubt its customizable "Home" page."

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  • ketech1ketech1 Member Posts: 2
    i am eric and from china,i am new member of this forum,and intersted in GPS navigation and learn something from all of your guys
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I wish Toyota had my NAV where the sun don't shine and I had that new Pioneer. I knew better than buying a vehicle with built-in NAV. Oh well, live and learn. Never again. Unless the dealer throws it in and I can put it on Craigslist and get a decent unit.

    I tried our NAV today on a simple location. It took me 2 miles out of the way. My wife kept telling me it was wrong as she knows they area very well. What a POC Toyota puts in their vehicles. Plus it never learns the right route. Totally useless NAV. I will stick with AAA maps when we take our cross country trip this fall.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Other than the fact that it would make your in dash nav unit even more annoying you could spring for a $100 Garmin to plug into Toyota for the trip...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • stoneybrokestoneybroke Member Posts: 83
    My wife has a 2006 Highlander Limited with factory nav system. Two years ago, she swiped my Garmin 660. The factory system hasn't been used since she got the Garmin. The Garmin has the 2008 maps and I'm debating a map update or maybe buy a new Garmin with the 2010 maps.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    We have a consensus on Toyota NAV units. Mine is a 2007 Sequoia Limited and it has a difficult time finding simple locations accurately. I will not trust it for any important travel. The worst part is the dealer told us they have an XM interface for our vehicle. Wrong again. Does not work in the Sequoia with rear DVD player. Plus the CD player is inferior. I plan to sell the vehicle within the next year or I would just change out all the substandard electronics.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They're not all the same - supposedly the Solara coupe has one of the better ones, shared with some Lexus models.

    When I considered an OE Toyota Navi for my Sienna that's what people recommended.

    Still, Costco has my Garmin Nuvi 260w for just $150 now....the 265wt for $220, and that's with traffic info.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,281
    Most of the price listing websites always advertise those as "Free lifetime traffic updates." That's pretty useless to me, what I want are free lifetime map updates! I guess I can add $119.99 to the price of a Garmin and come out at the same place.
  • stoneybrokestoneybroke Member Posts: 83
    I think that most of of those bargain basement Gamins will have the 2009 maps installed. I know that Amazon says that "MOST" of their Garmin units have the 2010 maps. The $119 map update deal sounds good, but I wonder what the life expectancy is for my 660 with its non-replaceable battery,
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "The new TomTom app that turns an iPhone into a turn-by-turn GPS navigation system spells the beginning of the end for standalone GPS. Not everywhere, but at least on dashboards, where a smartphone can now do everything a GPS can do and cost less than purchasing both.

    Still, a standalone GPS can--and this may be the genre's salvation--provide a larger, more readable screen than the iPhone. It can also provide real (not touch screen) buttons for some functions"

    TomTom For iPhone Spells An End To Standalone GPS (PC World)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those older maps may be pre-loaded, but if it's new and the 2010 maps were already out you get a free upgrade.

    I'm confident about that because I did just that when I got my 2nd one, a c340. It had v2006 maps, and I was eligible for v2007 at the time. v2008 maps were out and they were nice enough to give me those instead.

    Kudos for Garmin service - you can get the latest maps on any new device you buy from them even if they're not pre-loaded.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    ...a Garmin 1490T. It's a new model from Garmin, with a 5" screen and free traffic. Haven't gotten it yet. Hopefully soon.

    I paid $429 + shipping. Most places seem to be selling it for ~ $500.

    https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=36082&ra=true

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats. Let me know when it arrives, I'm very curious to hear about it. Features like Lane Assist should help us on those road trips up to the NY Auto Show.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Okay... Nuvi-Newbie here...

    The 1490T came yesterday. I finally started playing with it today.

    It has Bluetooth, and my first few calls came in load and clear. So far I'm really happy with that.

    One question/problem I'm having is storing other phone numbers. I don't know how to do that, or even know if the unit is capable of storing other phone numbers? I've got my home number stored, so there's no problem there; but I want to store other numbers, that's the problem.

    Also, at the bottom of the screen, after you start the car and "agree to...," there are a bunch of icons, one being a "stop" sign. Somehow I deleted that icon and the one next to it (I don't even remember what it is?). How do I get them to show again?

    Finally, there is a "voice call" feature. I haven't figured that out yet.

    The instructions on how to use this unit are very poor. There's a "quick start" folder, but that's it. Nothing detailed... :(

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I didn't know it had a seperate address book, of course mine aren't Bluetooth enabled.

    I always thought the idea was that you could call the entires in the POI (points-of-interest) database.

    For example, you search for Food, find a restaurant, then you can call the number to make a reservation.

    The Stop sign only appears if you are actively navigating. The other button is for a Detour. So that's not broken, it only appears while in active use.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The POI works fine. As to an address book, I don't know? I hope it has one. If not, I'm not happy.

    I may need to get together with you, to help me figure this thing out.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sure...I'm free tonight if you'll be anywhere close.

    Tomorrow we leave for yet another road trip to the beach.

    Have you been able to use the traffic feature yet?

    Let me borrow it for the weekend? ;)

    Just kidding about that last part. Sort of. :D
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Maybe we can do it this evening. I can stop by. What time is good for you?

    As to borrowing it, let me play with it first. Once I get more comfortable with it, no problem. I'm planning on using it next Tuesday when I help move Mairen to Ocean Pines.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'll e-mail you.

    That trip to the eastern shore should be a pretty good first test, especially if you drive where it would have traffic information.

    It won't on the Eastern Shore, that's for sure.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Member Posts: 421
    Hi All,

    I purchased my first GPS back in May this year. It's really been a big help, and I really like the features it has. (Bluetooth, Photos, Videos, MP3 music, etc.) I was just wondering how others like their's and how it compares to other GPS units. Thanks
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