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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I haven't sampled those yet.

    Glad to hear you love it, that's all that matters! Congrats. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Got the chance to try out rsholland's new 1490T, which I had been really looking foward to. The big news was the giant 5" screen, enormous for a portable.

    First impression is a simple "WOW!", that screen really is gigantic. :surprise:

    I was impressed that it's actually thinner than the Nuvi 200 series, by 25% according to Garmin's web site. Also, it's not a lot heavier. We compared them side-by-side and it took a while for me to conclude it's only very slightly heavier than my 260w. Good packaging.

    We played with them side-by-side, and I basically concluded that everything my 260w did well, the 1490T does slightly better. Not just the size but the display quality and sharpness. The icons and text are bigger, more clear. They really made good use of the real estate. Plus the transitions between screens seem smoother. Touch the map and it zooms out, moves to the place you touched, and zooms back in, all seamlessly. Smoooth.

    Bob set up the Bluetooth to his phone, and he never even had to take his phone out of his pocket. We completed several test calls, and sound quality was very good, probably a little better than the speaker phone on my BlackBerry Curve 8900.

    We also tried the voice dialing. Press a button, say "Call Home", and sure enough, it nailed it in the first try. My BlackBerry works the same way.

    If you have your phone in your pocket, I can actually see some value here, which I didn't really see before. The buttons on the Nuvi are much bigger and right in front of you, already mounted. I don't have a car mount for my BlackBerry, and the buttons are small. I guess I could use voice dialing and my speakerphone, but that's still 2 small buttons I'd have to find and press, and I wonder if the mount would block some of those.

    Score one for Bluetooth.

    Since the phone worked well, we added some phone numbers to the Favorites. Only the Favorites with phone numbers show up in the phone book, which makes sense I guess. At first it only showed Home, but we realized we had to add phone numbers for them to appear.

    Then we added photos. The 1490T has a Micro-SD slot, which was convenient because my BlackBerry 8900 uses the same media. So we took photos with my BlackBerry, inserted the card, and Edited the Favorites to add our photos to those entries.

    Pretty cool - instead of just a name you can actually put a photo of the person.

    I was also curious to try out the FM Traffic feature, since none of my 3 GPS devices have that.

    It will warn you of traffic or construction along the route you take, but you can also manually preview what jams are ahead before you leave. We didn't take any trips so I wasn't able to see if it actually accounts for those delays before you leave, and sends you on an alternate route in the first place. I don't want to have to take a detour - I'd like to avoid it entirely if possible.

    Dislikes?

    When we removed the card, we lost the photo images. The Nuvi should be smart enough to copy it to the local storage if the photo is saved as a Favorite. I guess you have to copy that manually, or just buy a Micro SD card specifically for your GPS. They're cheap, so no big deal.

    The FM Traffic should be accounted for when calculated the route, even before you leave, if the jam is close by. In other words, I don't want to have to take a detour on that same route after I left, I'd like for it to choose a different route entirely.

    Thing is, I'm not sure about how the 1490T does that, so that remains to be seen. Perhaps someone with FM Traffic experience can share their experience.

    List price is $500 but you can get them for about $430, so it's high-end for sure, though it's the biggest screen I've ever seen and very near some OE GPS sizes.

    To be honest, my biggest dislike was that I didn't get to keep it. :shades:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "New York state wants to crack down on truckers who rely on satellite devices to direct them onto faster but prohibited routes and end up crashing into overpasses that are too low for their rigs."

    GPS Causing Truckers to Crash Into Bridges (Fox)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Don't quote me on this, but I think, not sure, Garmin has an avoidance for roads that don't allow trucks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So my old Nuvi 200w was in need of upgraded maps, and instead of paying the $99 for map updates for life and keeping a model without text-to-speech, I decided to sell it instead, and upgrade.

    I sold it for $90. A single map update would have cost me $65. The new 265wt cost $190 at Costco. So the way I look at it, I paid $35 extra to get the upgrade.

    The 265wt model basically adds:

    * maps for Canada (200w was US only)
    * bluetooth wireless
    * text-to-speech
    * optional MSN Direct (if you want to look up gas prices)
    * Where Am I? feature (shows POIs close by)
    * photo navigation
    * liftetime free traffic via clear channel's FM service

    They pay for it with pop ups that are so small I can't read them without glasses, and they never appear when the vehicle is moving, nor when you're operating the GPS, so my concerns about intrusive pop-ups were put to rest.

    Bluetooth worked like a charm for me. My BlackBerry 8900 paired up right away and sounds pretty good. The speaker is a little tinny (better than the 8900's speaker phone, though), but the microphone is excellent, or so people who I've called have told me. Best thing is that now it pairs up automatically every time I walk back in the car and the GPS turns on.

    Very cool.

    I tried the voice commands - "Call [First] [Lastname]", and it worked on the first try.

    The address book looks just as it does on my BlackBerry, better in fact because the screen is much bigger. It can search my phone's address book, or you can call any POI's number from your GPS.

    Text-to-speech is nothing new because we own 2 other Garmins that have it. I chose the Australian English voice, Karen. Don't tell my wife but I have a crush on her. :D

    The accent is so cool, "Turn left on BAT-tree Lane".

    Have not played with the Who Am I feature yet.

    Photo Navigation lets you upload photos to an SD card, and then have an icon for each of your Favorites. For instance, it could be a thumbnail photo of the person who lives there.

    Neat, I guess, for the die-hards who will invest the time. I may do a few for the ones I use most often.

    FM traffic - so far so good. I'm actually impressed with the accuracy and timeliness of the traffic info - it seems more current than what you get from Google Maps, for instance.

    I didn't have faith in it, and ignored a command to exit and avoid traffic, and then hit a small traffic jam. Rats. Should have listened to Karen. ;)

    It only reports on major roads, of course, highways and such. For some odd reason the Whitehurst Freeway is included, but the Clara Barton Parkway is not.

    I think the traffic will come in handy, though.

    So far, so good. I'd do it again if I had the chance.

    Bob may be disapointed that I didn't get the 1490T ($350 at Costco right now, and you get the big 5" screen), but I guess I was trying to justify the upgrade saying it wouldn't cost me anything. ;)

    During setup I updated to v2010.20 maps, and that highlights perhaps Garmin's best advantage - very frequent map updates. I think for this GPS I will pay the $99 for lifetime map updates.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I chose the Australian English voice, Karen. Don't tell my wife but I have a crush on her.

    Are you over your love of Becky from the Tribeca??
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Anybody else have this problem with their Bluetooth-equipped NAVI unit, be it a portable unit or a factory built-in unit?

    I've found it to be hit-or-miss in terms of voice commands. It's really a problem if your car transmits a lot of road and tire noise, as my WRX does. I suspect the "quieter" the car, the less this will be a problem.

    Worse still, if the GPS has trouble with your voice command, you end up repeating it several times, which means your concentration is on the phone—and not on driving. This will surely become a hot-button issue with safety advocates, as this is an accident waiting to happen.

    I have since learned to pick my driving spots very carefully (low traffic, straight and flat roads, etc.) when trying to use the voice prompt feature. One can only hope and pray other users will do likewise.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think the voice command quality may depend on the phone itself.

    I'm pretty sure the GPS is just forwarding the audio to the phone, and the phone processes the request.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    But if there is a lot of external "ambient" noise, that could make it difficult for the GPS to understand your command.

    There were several occasions in which it asked me if I wanted to call other people in my cell's phonebook, as it couldn't understand what I was saying. I bet if I had asked it to call—while the vehicle was stopped—it wouldn't have had that problem.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That may be due to the microphone's position - it's not near enough, perhaps.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Oh, I put my face up close to the Garmin when I was having trouble. I don't think that's it.

    The phone asks you to call a name, so it must be an open mic that picks up any noise, be it your command or otherwise.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure on your model, but I think the mic is on the back.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I saw several brands and models of gps units on sale this last week.

    What's a great buy on one for the beginner who does want one that massages my back while I'm driving or talks to me in soothing tones, but is now marked way down and will serve great?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Price range?

    Amazon had the Nuvi 205w for $99, no Canada maps and no text-to-speech but it's a light, simple wide screen and may be a good starter GPS. I saw some deals on the Tom Tom One XLS 130 (I think, not sure?) for the same price that does have text-to-speech, but I prefer Garmin's interface.

    If you want more features the 265wt was $169 IIRC. That adds text-to-speech, Canada maps, bluetooth, and FM traffic. Costco had it for a little more if you prefer to buy in person.

    Costco also had the big 5" 1490T model, but that was $350. It can do advanced routes and stuff. Overkill for you, probably.

    http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1696824
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    >Price range?

    Under $100. I saw several advertisements before Black Friday for various models at different box stores and online. But I have no idea which is 'cheap, old' and which is a real value to have one to play with.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I saw a few for $79, but they were brands I'm not familiar with.

    Garmin had a 205 for $89, though I forget where. That's a 3.5" screen.

    For $10 more I'd get the 205w, though. The touch screen is bigger and easier to use.

    I doesn't speak street names, but instead displays them on the screen. If you want that feature, the Tom Tom 130S may be better.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Today only:

    "Walmart offers their exclusive TomTom XL 325SE Silver Edition GPS today for just $89.00.

    Boasting a 4.3" widescreen, spoken street names, and Map Share, this is one of the hottest deals around right now for GPS."

    Fatwallet

    Shop through Bing and get another 15% off.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sweet deal. That makes it about $76.

    That's the price of a map update, so basically the GPS itself is free. :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    This should be SOP for all of them:

    "Latest map guarantee lets you download one complimentary update to your map if one is available during your first 30 days of use."

    Although 90 days would be ever better. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For my Garmin it was 61 days.

    Don't ask me why it's 61 and not 60. 2 months, I guess.

    I have v2010.20 but at 58 days or so I'll check what the latest version is and update mine.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Bought it.

    Thanks.

    Apparently the SE silver edition is a Walmart version. I've bought things before where Walmart's version had value added.

    Used Bing.com.

    Should get 15% back to my Paypal account?

    I'm glad to know it's a reasonable price for a GPS.

    97Cent shipping from Walmart. It wanted to do ship to store... and take off the $.97. But I finally figured out Walmart was charging the $.97 to deliver to my door step by USPS or UPS.

    I'll no longer be a GPS virgin.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I don't do PayPal, but that's an option for getting the cash back. Not sure how it gets credited. The other option is a check. That's assuming you logged into Bing and then shopped via the link there - it can take a couple of days for the 15% (or whatever the cashback amount is) to show up on your account. I've done FatWallet cashback but won't qualify for Bing money for a while yet.

    I paid ~$80 for a much less capable one a year or so ago (but it's still really useful though).
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I was looking at GPS units on my favorite Laptop review site. They picked the Navigon over the others. Anyone ever used one?

    http://www.laptopmag.com/review/gps/navigon-2200t.aspx
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats.

    Wow. And to think my first GPS cost me $404 and didn't come with an SD card (purchased seperately)!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Did they talk about satellite acquisition time? That seems to be the main issue from the Amazon reviews. My cheapo one varies a lot; sometimes it locks right in and other times, it takes a few minutes. A few minutes is forever if you are heading out to run an errand and want to punch up the POI.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    satellite acquisition time?

    I don't remember anyone mentioning that point here before. I have a factory navi in my 06 Accord that takes no time at all to acquire satellites. My wife has a two year old Garmin unit (can't remember the number) that takes forever. :sick:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Lots of the portable ones have a spot to attach an external antenna. I should probably kludge something up and see if that helps.

    My sailing buddy's eTrex locks them in fast, but that's out on open water with no trees and stuff.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I guess we could look at Garmin.com to find out what chipset and antennae each model uses, but they do vary.

    Our c340 is quicker to get a signal than my old c320.

    Also, the Nuvi 255w and 265st are quicker than my old 200w.

    For what it's worth...
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,281
    If you start up my Nuvi indoors, it will come up with an error about GPS tracking, then it'll shut the GPS receiver off (but the unit remains powered up). I've never been able to find the option to switch it back on, so I have to turn the entire unit off and on again (and reenter my security code).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think you can, under Tools. I did that once. Off/On may be easier, though.

    My 265wt actually got a signal indoors, in a room with just 2 small windows. I was very impressed.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,281
    Thanks for the tip--I'll have to try that next time. My Garmin will usually get a signal inside my house, but if I'm in a parking garage, no dice.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, it has the see the satellites. No view, no service.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    If I'm going traveling, I'll plug the destinations in my favorites in my house. The unit seems to work fine inside, but maybe it's ignoring the lack of satellite view. I don't think it's got A-GPS capability to lock in on a nearby cell tower; probably just defaulting to the last known position.

    I'm bad to turn it on in the garage, so maybe that's what hammers my acquisition time now and then.
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    For $149.95 at Costco.com, this is the ultimate GPS with a 4.7" screen and free traffic link. The unit slim, sturdy and well made with a powerful speaker. It acquires satellites quickly and the lane guidance and voice prompts are great.

    In addition to the 6 million POI it also has the AAA tour book which is an invaluable guide for those long distance trips.
  • stoneybrokestoneybroke Member Posts: 83
    I have a Garmin Nuvi 660 that has served me well and has been pretty much buletproof. My wife has laid claim to the 660, so I ordered a Nuvi 765 from amazon and sent it back. Volumn control set at 100%, but voice commands were very difficult to hear at highway speeds. I think I may try the Magellan 4700.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Try another 700 series, with traffic capability perhaps. Costco had them on sale for cheap.

    I'm not familiar with the 600 series, but the 700s were legendary in Garmin circles.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    just picked one up as a gift at Cosco....$169.00

    I hope they like it...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats. Went down $20 since I bought mine.

    Heads-up: the latest map update is v2010.30. Check what you have.

    You also get free updates for 61 days.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    it was priced at 189, but they take 20 off at the register. I thought that was a pretty good deal based on your earlier comments.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Heck yeah...

    I asked my wife if she wanted to sell her c340 and get one, but not yet.

    Maybe next year. I may even aim for the 1490t with the 5" screen for me, and give her my 265wt. ;)
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2009249

    Various Ford products take 4 of the top 10 spots.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    4 of the top 7, even. People must like Sync.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wonder if they've ranked aftermarket models, and how they would compare?
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I guess it depends if they are talking about SYNC or the Nav System. I think here it's the NAV system as SYNC didn't offer directions until the 2010 model year.

    Ford has offered a voice activated NAV system with Sirius traffic for some time. SYNC is a separate system.

    IMHO, SYNC is a great value for what amounts to integration your phone and music devices with the added benefit of traffic and directions. Initial price is $395 and the service is free for 3 years - then it's $7 a month.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Actually JD Powers did not do the ranking. This is a customer survey of 2010 vehicles with factory NAVI.

    Bob
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,574
    nuvi 260W... $119.99 (got this in Summer '08 for $300!)

    nuvi 285Wt.. $136.14

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    285? Do you mean 265wt?

    If so that is a *GREAT* deal. Costco has them for $169.99 IIRC.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,574
    Nope... they listed it as 285....

    Also had some 700 series and 800 series for under $200...

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