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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I thought about that, mike, but that's not the case here.

    The speed limit on Canal Rd. is actually higher than on MacArthur Blvd, not to mention it probably has less than half as many lights (probably a quarter as many).

    I think it's the one-way issue, it's incoming in the AM, outgoing in the PM, for rush hour.

    Your software does sound extremely flexible, though. I have to look and see if I can enable the one-way routes.

    -juice
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Juice-

    Again, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Today is my first day back at work, where I can check the boards here :) .

    As for a free update: According to the Garmin website "If you purchased a locked MapSource product ON or AFTER the release date of an update, you are entitled to an unlock on the newer version of that product for free." I also recall that if they issue an update within 6 months of purchase, you can get the free updates.
    According to the website, there will be an updated version for your unit available Oct. 15th (version 7.0). I believe that if you contact Garmin, you will be able to get the update for free, if your unit is not up to date at this time.

    Hope this helps. As for myself, in a week and a half I'll be using the 2610 to travel the commercial vehicle routes between Utica and Staten Island. It's good to have the ability to route based on what vehicle type you are in.

    Mark
  • jrynnjrynn Member Posts: 162
    mdchachi --

    Thx for the tip re Toyota navs and enabling "time restricted streets."

    Unfortunately, I've been through all the setup screens for my 2004 TSX (with 2005 DVD update) and can see no such option for my Acura system.

    Still no way that I know of to get the system to "see" Rock Creek Parkway, Canal Road, Clara Barton and the other reversing commuter routes in the DC area.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, Mark. I'll mark my calendar for 10/15.

    I did notice one exit that they changed, the ramp is now different and the NAV doesn't relflect that change yet. Wonder if it would by then. Not a bid deal, it still tells you to take the exit, it just thinks you're going the wrong way for a few seconds.

    -juice
  • mdchachimdchachi Member Posts: 275
    What happens when you're actually on one of those streets? Does it try to route you off of them? Or does then accept routing on a street that you're already on?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My Garmin keeps telling me to turn off at the next intersection. I have to keep ignoring it.

    -juice
  • navguy1navguy1 Member Posts: 181
    For Toyota and Lexus vehicles once you set up the address and press ENTER, then touch CHANGE Route Preferences followed by touching ALLOW TIME RESTRICTED ROAD. Touch OK to keep this in memory. The route you prefer may be available. ;)
  • jrynnjrynn Member Posts: 162
    If there is a parallel road, the Acura system "corrects" for apparent position error and tries to tell you that you are on the parallel road. (E.g., if you are on Canal, it will try to tell you that you are on McArthur.)

    If there is no parallel road, the Acura system declares "Unverified Area. Unable to Complete Route." (E.g., on Rock Creek Parkway.)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's in my wife's car, so I e-mailed Garmin's tech support to ask if there is a way to specifically include time-restricted roads. Let's see what they say.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    NAV was very useful yesterday, coming back on a road trip we used the POI feature (points of interest) to find a place to eat dinner.

    The way the Garmin works is nice - in real-time it lists the places in order by proximity. For instance I didn't know there were 2 Dennys in Annapolis. Pick one and of course it gives you directions there.

    We were able to see them on a map to make sure the detour wasn't too long. We had several options on what to eat and how close they were to the highway.

    Very useful.

    Another situation where it proved useful - we went to Sun Fest in Ocean City, MD, and the parking lot at the boardwalk was closed. We thought we'd have to drive back to the convention center and take a bus, but instead I used the NAV to find the closest parking lots.

    Call the parking lots to see if there was empty spaces, and found one a couple of blocks away. Parked and saved probably half an hour of driving. That plus the parking fee was less than the bus fare.

    So it saved us cash and time. :D

    -juice
  • sunilbsunilb Member Posts: 407
    Okay here's my update...

    Got the C320 from costco and loaded a 1gb card with the mostly the west coast, northeast and Illinois. I think it was about 80% full.
    I used for a short amount of time and thought it was actually pretty good... though this was exclusively on open highways.

    Handed it to my wife (who would be the ultimate consumer).. she was not a fan of this device for a few reasons:

    - didn't like the dangling cord
    - didn't like having to stash it in the glovebox everytime she parked
    [I find these minor inconveniences; but the big one was...
    - driving in SF the device kept losing the satellites... this is where she really needed the help, as the city can be confusing.
    I wish it had some type of buffer so that it could store directions.

    Also, one time I was driving home and decided to go a longer (distance), but shorter (time) way home. The unit kept trying to get me to take the next exit to turnaround and get back on the initial route. It wasn't until I was 10 miles (entire trip was 40miles) to my destination that it figured out what route I was using. Note: I basically took 2 highways instead of 1.

    Also, my wife's sister has an Odyssey with voice-activated nav and I think that my wife really wants that ability (no stopping to punch in a destination).
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Toyota Unveils Split-Screen Nav System (Inside Line)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,730
    I'm confused. I thought there wasn't allowed to be any visual entertainment in the driver's view?

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Well, the Toyota system is just for Japan right now, and it may not be imported anytime soon.

    The last I heard, not all US states specifically prohibit playing DVDs in the dash (even while the car is moving). Here's one article: Seattle Post-Intelligencer

    And some people sure find the NAV screens in their dashboards entertaining!

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That would never make it past the product liability lawyers here in the US. ;)

    Sorry to hear about the poor satellite reception in SF, it's pretty good around here. On a couple of occasions it's been searching for a signal for about 2-3 minutes, once longer than that, but it was never so long that it didn't eventually help us out.

    Maybe it's the hills and tall buildings combined?

    -juice
  • sunilbsunilb Member Posts: 407
    Maybe it's the hills and tall buildings combined?

    Could be... it's too bad cause it seemed like a neat unit.

    Oh, just remembered another quirk... coming out a parking lot, the unit told her to turn "Southeast". She found that really annoying and that it should have just told her left or right.
    Perhaps I had something set up incorrectly...?
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Member Posts: 1,015
    For places with tall whatever blocking signals, the 2650 and 2660 are a better choise. They use "dead reaconing" - but you have to connect the speedo/odometer signal to them so they are for "professional installation". The latest unit (2720 I think it was labled), has an input for a new signal source to also cover loss of satellites.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    No, mine is like that too. You have to sort of get started by yourself. The map does tell you where north is, but you need a decent sense of direction to make the very first turn.

    It's OK, though, because if you go the wrong way it will just recalculate the directions automatically.

    Here is the address that MMI just could not find, the system in my buddy's Audi S4 Cabrio:

    1594 Rt. 38 East
    Lumberton, NJ

    It could find Rt. 38 East, but not the street address 1594. What's funny about that? It was a SUBARU dealer! LOL

    We went to an event where we got to meet Petter Solberg, WRC driver. And lots of Audi fans are into rally (parking lot had several Audis) so that must've tripped up quite a few of the 400+ folks that showed up.

    -juice
  • mdchachimdchachi Member Posts: 275
    Japan is very strict about restrictions while moving. The restrictions are not encoded in law but all OEM makers are member of an industry group that has developed voluntary guidelines to which all makers adhere. Toyota follows these same guidelines in the U.S. market. However even manufacturers such as Honda who don't do it in the U.S. still follow these guidelines in Japan.

    So anyway I would be willing to bet that this display is directional such that the passenger can see the TV but that the driver cannot.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Came in very handy this weekend, as we went to rural VA to unfamiliar territory.

    It was helpful for us to find gas and food. In fact the more I use it, the more I realize how useful the points of interest are. At least as useful as the directions themselves, in fact.

    It was crazy, in some places gas was $3.34, so we kept passing stations knowing (from the NAV) that other statoins were coming up. I waited long enough to find gas for $2.99, so that information saved me $5.44 on the spot.

    Funny thing was a guy at the gas station asked me where the Outback Steakhouse was, and I helped him find it using my NAV. It's portable so I popped it out of the carrier, found it, and showed him the map.

    Then on Sunday we went to wedding in Alexandria and again it came in handy.

    NAV is great when you go to an address you've never been to before.

    -juice
  • mdchachimdchachi Member Posts: 275
    > NAV is great when you go to an address you've never been to before.

    No question. It's a lot like Tivo, I don't want to go back to my previous life without this device.
  • dwpcdwpc Member Posts: 159
    I've used a Palm GPS adapter sold by Rand McNally for a number of years with Delorme Palm-compatible software. It was pretty slick 5 years ago, but is ancient technology now. I'm looking to replace it with new handheld GPS with color display but will hate to loose the ability to use Delorme's versatile (and relatively cheap) mapping software, especially Topo. Does anyone know if there's a good handheld GPS that uses uploadable third-party maps?
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Member Posts: 1,015
    It's time for me to replace my Garmin GPS III+. It's monochrome, small screen, and the maps are getting out of date. Otherwise it's been a great unit.

    I don't generally use a GPS to give me directions - I prefer to see a current map and navigate using that. I use the GPS to warn me to get in a turnoff lane etc. I also use the data fields (Speed, distance, altitude, time, etc). Kind of an enhancement to the vehicles instrumentation. One reason for this is Canadian GPS maps are inadequate.

    I purchased a Garmin Streetpilot III, but am not impressed! Poor sensitivity and less features than the GPS III+ (though it does have voice direction).

    So, I'm going to "build my own", using a PDA, CF GPS module, and my choice of program. I purchased a Toshiba Pocket PC e830W (has both WiFi and Bluetooth as well as the ubiquitous infrared). I'm still learning what it can do, and in the next month I'll be getting the other two components. I have identified a Garmin 1620 CF module/program and a separate CF module and the iGuidance software as two probably compatible possible choices.
    I will also have to get a mounting device (the Garmin comes with one whereas the other choice doesn't). Some mounts include a built in GPS module and a power supply. Neat!

    I'll keep you informed as to how it goes.

    If anyone has suggestions, please speak up!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Took about a 3 hour road trip this week, and the NAV was really handy. Used it to find a Wawa on my trip, I love their stores plus that ended up saving me 12 cents per gallon on a tank of gas.

    Little by little I'm getting my money back for that thing. LOL

    -juice
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "wife didn't like the dangling cord"

    You can view photos of my cordless, portable GPS installation at:
    http://groups.msn.com/ToyotaAvalon/regis2006avalon.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41
    There are 5 photos so just choose next or previous to view all. I should mention that this will only work if your GPS has an internal battery like that in the Garmin c330. This would work even better on a c320 at your battery has 8 hours duration. I keep my Garmin c330 attached to my PC when not needed so ir's always charged fpr 5 hours. Also my c330 has voice navigation so I rarely have to look at the screen.
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "The 330 has a hard drive but has not extra SD slot, so if you want to buy a card with Europe pre-loaded for travel, you're outta luck."

    Not true! Maybe the original c330 had no SD slot but my c330 purchased Sept 30th/05 has a slot.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sorry 'bout that, I stand corrected!

    My buddy Dennis has one, maybe the early models didn't? He said some owners were upset because they could not upgrade. Maybe he was talking about a different model and I got them mixed up. Thanks for setting me straight.

    Nice dash mount. I should get one so we have one for each of the two cars we usually use it with. How much?

    -juice
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "Nice dash mount. I should get one so we have one for each of the two cars we usually use it with. How much?"
    -juce, the dash mount you see is just the standard windshield suction mount that came with the unit. I disconnected the power chord so it's a cordless installation this way. I hate the look of a chord dangling over my dash. With the Garmin's 5 hour internal battery, it negates the need for a power chord for almost all my trips. For the "rare" time I am on an extended trip exceeding five hours, I purchased an optional, weighted dash mount but have not needed it yet. I keep the Garmin attached to my PC via USB so it's always charged for use when needed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think the suction-cup mount that came with mine has a power cord that is not detachable. At least that's how it appears to be.

    So I'd have to purchase a seperate mounting bracket. The cable doesn't really bother me.

    -juice
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "I think the suction-cup mount that came with mine has a power cord that is not detachable. At least that's how it appears to be."

    Or purchase a mount without a chord for $10

    http://www.gpscity.ca/item-npi-garmin-streetpilot-c3xx-holder/ramholga19.htm
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    Looks like our Host does not like photos on this forum. I read the "Rules of the Road" and don't see where this is forbidden. Why was my post with photos deleted? :confuse:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Check your email - when I was here a while ago nothing but green error messages were showing up instead of your pics. Something about not linking to high resolution photos on clubphoto. Try linking to the medium or small size pics.

    Steve, Host
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "when I was here a while ago nothing but green error messages were showing up instead of your pics. Something about not linking to high resolution photos on clubphoto. Try linking to the medium or small size pics."

    Hmmm? Strange that when I checked after posting, the photos displayed fine. They were all reduced to less than 80k. Maybe it was the combined size of the four photos that caused the problem since the same photos displayed fine in another forum. Anyway, thanks for the fast reply Steve and I'll try reducing the size of these photos even more. :)
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "I think the suction-cup mount that came with mine has a power cord that is not detachable."

    The cable is easily detachable by removing the two little screws (photo below)
    image

    The suction mount attaches to your windshield, minus the chord. I purchased a chorded dash mount for the rare trip that would exceed 5 hours but have not needed it yet.

    image

    image
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,730
    Figured I'd jump in and try to post a screenshot of what WE are seeing on our end, and probably why the host deleted it previously. The pics just aren't showing up.
    image

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  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "Figured I'd jump in and try to post a screenshot of what WE are seeing on our end, and probably why the host deleted it previously. The pics just aren't showing up."

    Thanks qbrozen. This is very helpful. It seems my photo hosting provider is the culprit. I was able to post these photos on another forum at the same resolution so go figure. Anyway, I reposted at a reduced size (Post 891). Were you able to view these?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,730
    sorry, I should have explained ... the screenshot I provided IS of post 391. So it is still failing to display.

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  • mstemmstem Member Posts: 113
    Regis, Just an FYI...

    Post #391 is displaying beautifully for me; nice pictures! I wonder if some folks are having problems due to their Web browser, etc, etc? Just a thought... Mike
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Regis, you probably are seeing the pics because they are cached locally on your computer. I don't know how Mike is seeing them though!

    I still can't see the pics in IE6 or Firefox on my XP machine.

    Thanks for the screenshot, qbrozen.

    Steve, Host
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    This is very odd. I see the pics just fine with Opera but with both Firefox and IE I get the same message qbrozen got.

    tidester, host
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "This is very odd. I see the pics just fine with Opera but with both Firefox and IE I get the same message qbrozen got. . . tidester, host"

    Could it be that the security settings of those browsers that can't access photos are set too high . . . or settings of anti-virus software or . . .??? Would be nice to get a handle on this since sharing photos can be very helpful. Interesting that the Avalon 2005+ forum does not appear to have the same photo sharing problem,
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Believe it or not, a goodly percentage of our members and visitors are still on dial-up or low bandwidth connections, so keeping the file sizes small is a real plus for them.

    Steve, Host
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    It can't be the antivirus program since I tried all three browsers on the same machine. I can't rule out security settings but I don't think that is the cause.

    In any case, smaller is better - for now! :)

    tidester, host
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    And I have no security nor browser security stuff running. It is coming from the hosting site. Perhaps the hosting site has an agreement with the Avalon forum owner to allow the larger pics to be viewed on there.

    -mike
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    I think you're right. I've subscribed to a new photo sharing service ( http://www.imagestation.com/) that I'll use here for future postings. Apparently they don't restrict posting images hosted on their site.

    P.S. And I'll keep em small for our dial-up people.
  • jrynnjrynn Member Posts: 162
    With the Garmin C320/330/340, do you have to pay for annual map/database updates? When do the updates occur?

    And why buy the C320 if you also need to buy a 1GB SD card that costs $75 when the difference in price between the 320 and 330 is only about $130 on Amazon?

    Do the Garmin units show reversible commuter (also called "time restricted") roads or are they left out of the databases? (See the discussion about 20 messages back about the difference between the Toyota (included) and Acura (not included) Navs.)
  • rwisemrwisem Member Posts: 96
    I believe the updates are about once per year. The latest is being shipped starting tomorrow and it is free for any Garmin c3xx unit purchased after 7-1-05. Otherwise, I think the cost is about $125-130. Someone else may have a better figure.

    1MB SD cards are about $55 all over the internet and on auction sites. I paid $54 with shipping for a Lexar card. The C330 is nice since it requires no computer set-up initially or thereafter to change the states that are loaded. The C320 has advantages in that with no hard drive, the battery life is longer and it should be more reliable. Hard drives can fail, and the automobile is not an ideal environment. Already some C330's have failed initially when they could not access the hard drive, requiring warranty replacement.

    I could find no documentation on the reversible commuter roads, so assume they aren't supported.
  • jrynnjrynn Member Posts: 162
    Very, very helpful. Thx.
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "The C320 has advantages in that with no hard drive, the battery life is longer "

    Just to be current, the newer Garmin model c330 batteries are rated for 8 hours, the same as the c320.
    Compare various garmin models at: http://www.garmin.com/mobile/compare.jsp
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I could find no documentation on the reversible commuter roads, so assume they aren't supported

    I called their tech support, and they suggested adding a custom POI to warn you that the road ahead may be open at certain times of day. But it would still route you elsewhere, so this only serves as a reminder to the operator that the route may indeed be open.

    Strange, I know.

    -juice
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