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I think we have a winner on our hands fellas. Definitely the best looking luxury sedan besides the E class. Good looking car from every angle unlike some of the competition. I can't wait to see this baby at New York.
WOW!!! Awesome!!! Love the exterior looks and the interior looks pretty good, though not very exciting. What's up with the gauges and why does it look like some numbers are missing?? Oh well, WINNER!!!
I totally agree with you! The wood looks awesome, but for the beige interior I would've preferred the wood that they use in the Q45's beige interior: Bird's Eye Maple! The dash looks very well organized, but I would've liked a little bit more inspiration. A let boxy interior design would've done the trick. Still, that's only a VERY, VERY small complaint. Otherwise, I am LOVING the car!!!
Well, this is certainly interesting. This is certainly one design I want to see in person before coming down one way or another... That said:
Interior: Looks good, especially the wood. It's simple and understated, a dramatic difference from the billions of buttons that characterize most Euro and Japanese designs right now. Two gripes: I hope that door-dash panel gap is an open door... Also, why are the gauges so small?
Exterior: I'm actually not moved, and I love the CTS design. It's all so... Soft. I still think the bumper designs on this and the CTS don't quite harmonize with the rest of the design quite yet. And is it me or do the panel gaps here too seem quite prominent, and around the windows. The detailing seems off to me. That said, I didn't think I'd like the 500 or Montego either, and then I saw them at auto shows and flip flopped 100%, so we'll see.
I saw some of these pics earlier and now that I've seen that upfront interior shot I am doubly impressed. If this car drives as smooth as it looks it will be a serious contender in my book. Thanks for the pic posts!!
What are the four small circle things on the back bumper?? I imagine somehow they hold the bumper on?? I believe that the Escalde and maybe the Deville has these as well. Why?? I just think they look tacky - is there no better solution? The CTS does not have these.
Besides that the car looks very nice. I hope those multi spoke wheels make production they look very sweet.
Now. lets hope that Cadillac does not overprice the STS like they did with the SRX. I dont care how good the car is there are many who will not pay more for a Caddy than a BMW.
I'm actually glad Caddy scaled back "Art & Science" a bit for thier flasgship model. More daring designs get you interiors such as the 5 series and new A6 which are in my book, unacceptable. This car keeps it simple just like Lexus. I'm a fan of the design in the current STS (notice I said DESIGN, not quality or fit & finish and other nonsense) and LS430/Gs430. Those interiors look like luxury cars, not a pilot's cockpit. I just downloaded the pdf E-brochure of the 5 series and studied the interior pics. The design is chaotic at best, terribly ugly at worst. Nothing makes sense. What is up with the huge binnacle over the PC screen? It just isn't luxurious or good looking. Maybe the materials are high quality but who cares if you don't even wanna look at the thing. Looked at one at the auto show, and still wasn't impressed. Audi A6 is a step backward. Audi never knew how to integrate a NAV screen in their interiors before and it can't be more obvious than now. Why is the floor console literally awash in buttons? I mean, I like it way better than the 5, but still. Again, it just doesn't look luxurious to me. It looks too focused and busines-like. Not inviting. The STS on the other hand looks softer and less intimidating. Hell, even the cockpit of Amtraks Acela Express looks simpler than the 5's.
Designers across the board are using the same character line on cars today.
That line that runs down the side of the car from the back towards the front that eventually fades away just before the front fender.
This new STS has it, as does the new SLK, Honda Accord, Toyota Sienna minivan, Nissan Altima and others all have the same line. This trend needs to stop.
The STS looks ok inside and out, nothing stunning, thankfully not as jarring as the CTS was initially few years ago.
Chavis,
For once you and I can agree. I'm not sure what happened with the new A6, but it looks like a totally different group of designers did the car compared to the A8 and A4, both of which have much cleaner interiors. The A8 is the best going, imo. The A6, at least in pics looks indeed to be cluttered mess, not Audi like at all.
Looks like a Man-u-matic (or whatever GM is calling it) manual shift mode gate for the automatic, to the right of the traditional PRND4321 gate on the console.
Is this predicted to have a 5 speed automatic?
- Ray Also unmoved by pre-release pics, but has learned that in person, cars often look DRAMATICALLY different . . .
"Also unmoved by per-release pics, but has learned that in person, cars often look DRAMATICALLY different "
I agree, I thought the CTS, XLR steering wheels were terrible on pictures, when I saw the real deal, I thought that were very well executed. I liked them. I think one should hold horse until they see the car in person
Well, I conducted a little experiment. I posted the links of the STS pics in the 5 series and E class topics just to let them know about the car. I was ran off both topics. They said they won't find the STS "remotely competitive" with the new E or 5 because it's too ugly and too soft. Very interesting. Those folks loyal to MB and BMW will not even admit that there are other options available. That's why no matter how bad the quality gets on either brand, they will not lose any sells. Those folk will stick by them iDrive or high water.
That's very true, and very apparent in almost every board here at Edmunds! A BMW person only thinks of BMW, a MB person won't consider another brand, and a Caddy person won't admit to anything else. It always happens! I'm an Infiniti owner and I never admit that other brands are better than Infiniti...it's just how humans work. Great observation!
Maybe you need to speak for yourself. The idea that people can't like more than one brand of car is pretty ridiculous. Some people are incapable of doing so because they are so obsessed with one brand or another, but that doesn't mean everyone is like that. I know lexus makes good cars, but I have no urge to buy one. Same goes for Infiniti (save G35 coupe) and Audi.
I think the STS is better looking than anything in the class except the E-class. To me the front isnt as sharp as that of the CTS which is a shame. The side profile really looks good though. The rear is definitely an improvement over the CTS and seems to be the best A&S rear end so far. Assuming that the quality is up to par, which it should be, the car will defintely make a dent in the sales of the Europeans.
Certainly people can like more than one brand. I have a 3-Series, but I really like the CTS and if I had more cash, the CTS-V would be my next car (maybe pre-owned in the future)
That said, I agree the side profile (from the pictures we have seen) appears to be the best STS angle. I'm not crazy about the softer front, and the rear is just "OK," as I think the XLR rear design is the best A&S gets...
Those guys are on their high horses! Literally. I tried having a civil discussion with them over the CTS V, (though I must admit I was somewhat over the top) and they really shouted me down.
Anyways, they seem to be headed the Detroit route of the 80’s and early 90’s. They ignored the signs of the times; Detroit is on the roll, if they keep momentum, they will soon overtake the Germans and catch up with the Japanese.
Maybe I should've worded it a little bit differently, but what I meant was that the HARDCORE fans of BMW, MB, Caddy, Jag, Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, etc. usually "bash" a new, competitive car in the same class - which is true! There are just some people out there who wouldn't own anything else! From what you say on this and many other boards makes it seem like you hate every foreign car and only buy GM. Point is that I should've reworded it to talk about the hardcore fans of any automaker.
You say you were over the top on the sedans board, and got shouted down, is there mystery as to why? If you would have made some logical points that wouldn't have happened. That Cadillac is better than the world rhetoric isn't going to fly on boards where people know better.
What is really sad is the names along with other insults. Nobody said anything personal here except the above, all I did was make an observation as to why what happened on the other board. You're the one that sounds bitter Mark.
but I am the host of the discussions chavis10 says he got "ran off" of.
The issue is that we generally try to avoid extended and/or rancorous comparisons in a discussion which is focused on a single vehicle. We have an entire board dedicated to comparisons, so there is no reason to disrupt any single vehicle discussion with arguments about something else being better than the topical vehicle.
If folks don't want to talk about an STS in a 5-Series discussion, they shouldn't have to. The topic is "BMW 5-Series," not "With what does the 5-Series compete?"
So chavis10 has created a comparo in the proper place and he and I will be pleased if any of you would like to join us there.
Assuming, of course, that you don't bring this petty bickering with you.
Well folks I have just seen the newest pics of the interior, and that gap of the door and the dash is now nonexistent. In fact it looks extremely tight. As some of you said, the door must have been open before.
Nope, no rear seat yet. They just finished changing all the interior pics and adding mechanical drawings and such.
And for the emails, if like 5 ppl sign up for it then I'll do it, it's a pain to do them individually. Of course, you do it the easy way and just wait until the embargo is lifted.
Guys, this is an automotive discussion board, and our purpose is to build the knowledge base here. It's not a chat room, and it's not an e-mail exchange board. 15+ posts talking about who should e-mail whom what is too many - let's get back to talking about the STS/STS-V. Thanks.
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GM has posted info about the STS on the media.gm.com website. Also, gminside news has infor and pics about the car. They show it from some new angles. Looks very good to me.
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These pics look better than that first one we saw.
Wood looks good inside. But what's with the *huge* seams where the door meets the dash? You could store an umbrella in there.
Too bad the dash isn't lit up, you can't see much of it.
-juice
Interior: Looks good, especially the wood. It's simple and understated, a dramatic difference from the billions of buttons that characterize most Euro and Japanese designs right now. Two gripes: I hope that door-dash panel gap is an open door... Also, why are the gauges so small?
Exterior: I'm actually not moved, and I love the CTS design. It's all so... Soft. I still think the bumper designs on this and the CTS don't quite harmonize with the rest of the design quite yet. And is it me or do the panel gaps here too seem quite prominent, and around the windows. The detailing seems off to me. That said, I didn't think I'd like the 500 or Montego either, and then I saw them at auto shows and flip flopped 100%, so we'll see.
If priced right, I still think it will sell well.
- Bret
Besides that the car looks very nice. I hope those multi spoke wheels make production they look very sweet.
Now. lets hope that Cadillac does not overprice the STS like they did with the SRX. I dont care how good the car is there are many who will not pay more for a Caddy than a BMW.
Audi A6 is a step backward. Audi never knew how to integrate a NAV screen in their interiors before and it can't be more obvious than now. Why is the floor console literally awash in buttons? I mean, I like it way better than the 5, but still. Again, it just doesn't look luxurious to me. It looks too focused and busines-like. Not inviting. The STS on the other hand looks softer and less intimidating. Hell, even the cockpit of Amtraks Acela Express looks simpler than the 5's.
That line that runs down the side of the car from the back towards the front that eventually fades away just before the front fender.
This new STS has it, as does the new SLK, Honda Accord, Toyota Sienna minivan, Nissan Altima and others all have the same line. This trend needs to stop.
The STS looks ok inside and out, nothing stunning, thankfully not as jarring as the CTS was initially few years ago.
Chavis,
For once you and I can agree. I'm not sure what happened with the new A6, but it looks like a totally different group of designers did the car compared to the A8 and A4, both of which have much cleaner interiors. The A8 is the best going, imo. The A6, at least in pics looks indeed to be cluttered mess, not Audi like at all.
M
Is this predicted to have a 5 speed automatic?
- Ray
Also unmoved by pre-release pics, but has learned that in person, cars often look DRAMATICALLY different . . .
I agree, I thought the CTS, XLR steering wheels were terrible on pictures, when I saw the real deal, I thought that were very well executed. I liked them.
I think one should hold horse until they see the car in person
-juice
I think the STS is better looking than anything in the class except the E-class. To me the front isnt as sharp as that of the CTS which is a shame. The side profile really looks good though. The rear is definitely an improvement over the CTS and seems to be the best A&S rear end so far. Assuming that the quality is up to par, which it should be, the car will defintely make a dent in the sales of the Europeans.
That said, I agree the side profile (from the pictures we have seen) appears to be the best STS angle. I'm not crazy about the softer front, and the rear is just "OK," as I think the XLR rear design is the best A&S gets...
- Bret
Anyways, they seem to be headed the Detroit route of the 80’s and early 90’s. They ignored the signs of the times; Detroit is on the roll, if they keep momentum, they will soon overtake the Germans and catch up with the Japanese.
M
Kristi, can we please get rid of this troll once and for all?
M
The issue is that we generally try to avoid extended and/or rancorous comparisons in a discussion which is focused on a single vehicle. We have an entire board dedicated to comparisons, so there is no reason to disrupt any single vehicle discussion with arguments about something else being better than the topical vehicle.
If folks don't want to talk about an STS in a 5-Series discussion, they shouldn't have to. The topic is "BMW 5-Series," not "With what does the 5-Series compete?"
So chavis10 has created a comparo in the proper place and he and I will be pleased if any of you would like to join us there.
Assuming, of course, that you don't bring this petty bickering with you.
-juice
Have you gotten any new pics of the STS lately, like the rear seat?
And for the emails, if like 5 ppl sign up for it then I'll do it, it's a pain to do them individually. Of course, you do it the easy way and just wait until the embargo is lifted.
theo: if other people sign up, remember to include me alright!!!
Actually, mbukukanyau already signed up, so 1 more!
Pics on the way!
chavis, your email is still private.
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I don't know about you, but I can't view tham, anyone have the user name and password to get us in?
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