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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?



  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Despite its name, GMinsidenews is not an official GM site. It is a website put together by anonymous people who claim affilitation with GM.

    The real GM PR site, does not have pictures of the STS on it.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Those pics are embargoed. GMI is probably going to hear from GM. The embargo will be lifted on Thursday. Those pics are on the GM Media site, but are in a special, locked section.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks good. I actually think the longer body adapts better to the new design. Thumbs up.

  • I think the front end looks good. The extra bits of styling on the bumper near the fog/turn lights spruce things up a bit.

    View from the side, however, is dissapointing, especially in the rear 1/3 of the car. The front overhang is too large. The taillights don't wrap upwards onto the trunk as on the CTS, so I think the rear might have an "old man's Cadillac" look to it.

    Overall, it seems like the STS lacks some of the more dynamic style work of the CTS. It looks kind of bland, but maybe it's just a bad picture. The fenders could use some more stamping; they look they just have holes cut out for the wheels like on the G35.

    The new Art & Science cars have been selling well largely on account of their styling. Not everybody likes it, but those who do want the cars bad. If GM has designed the STS by committee to offend less people, then I think they're in for a painful surprise, because you do need an exciting, perhaps polarizing design to lure away buyers from the BMW 5-series and Mercedes E-class.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Do you have access to the locked area of

    If so, will photos of an actual preproduction car be released on the 4th?
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Boy I wish I had that kind of access. The pics will go up on the regular GM Media site on the 4th, along with official press releases and images of a host of other cars.


    Funny you mention the designing by commitee idea. Lutz hates focus groups, and says it's better if 20% love it than 80% going "meh". He just hates A&S.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the problem with focus groups is they only respond to something, as opposed to 'envisioning' something beyond what the usual focus group schmucks could even comprehend.

    so ultimately focus groups have limited value.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Focus groups by their nature need something to focus on. Perhaps a better way would be to get a list of features a car should have and then throw it into a car. Once you have some configuration, work on refining it within the parameters of the features/styling it needs to have.

    If that doesn't work, try a different version. :)

  • While I was getting my CTS serviced the other day, I overheard a conversation with the dealer reps and a GM exec (Northstar power train guy) who was visiting. I got into a conversation with him on this car and a few other things. Without getting too specific, on some thing, here's what he had to say...

    The STS' dimensions will be a bit larger than the CTS, but not too much larger.

    The interior shot that was posted on the Internet of the interior is the real thing.

    There will be a future STS-V and XLR-V with supercharged Northstars. This probably isn't real news except for the fact that there are real prototypes running around. Chasing the ever-increasing horsepower race has been a challenge. Originally they were looking for a lower 400s HP engine, but now that's not enough.

    Don't expect the big 7.5L XV-12 in anything except an Escalade. If they do a 12 for any other car, it'll be smaller.

    And finally, you can thank Bob Lutz for everything. It's a great time to be working at Cadillac again.
  • "And finally, you can thank Bob Lutz for everything. It's a great time to be working at Cadillac again."

    Actually, that's not true. I know a number of GM insiders, and they say Bob Lutz is the biggest obstacle right now "if you happen to like what Cadillac has been doing recently". Bob Lutz is more typical of the 1990's celebrity CEO mould, more focused on self-promotion than being a team player. He's taken credit for a lot of stuff that he had basically no input on.

    STS will actually be considerably larger than the CTS, at 196 inches. Previously, it was thought to be only 193 inches.
  • Two 2005 STS models. Two dimensions 196. vs. 193. Then there is five speed or a six speed. O and the computer generated pics of the exterior. Hp not 320 but 350 standard. Also remember the September issue of Car and Driver and Road and Track both have pictures of the O5 STS. The R/T STS looks like a smaller 16 concept, and its the one the road being driven, while the C/D looks like the old picture in Popular Mechanics a few months ago. Does anyone know which is THE REAL STS. Someone has the no the truth about the 05'STS besides GM-Cadillac officals. I thought I'd just bring that to everyones attention. The only good pic I've seen is the handsome interior. Just some imput.
  • GM Insidenews already has the "real" STS posted from the embargoed press kit. We know it's real because it looks like the "real" spy shots. Also, GM insiders are confirming it's real.

    Engines will be the same as the SRX.
  • Looks like they removed it.

    Probably threat of lawsuit.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Those pics are still being debated. The fact they they were originally in the "user concepts" section for about a month makes them suspect.
  • Caddy will do a coupe to compete with the Likes of 645i and MB CLK, AMG 55 Coupe?
  • eaton53eaton53 Posts: 356
    It does coupe/convertible duty.
    So, no.
  • as CLK class as Smaller Benzito coupes
  • I have heard all kinds of rumors: Spring 04, Oct 04, Spring 05. Has anyone heard anything more definitive, or authoritative?
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I do not know the month.

    GM will not provide official timing until the annoucement at the NAIAS next month.
  • I think the STS might not debut until later in the auto show season. Maybe Chicago, or even New York.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    New York or Geneva.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    but it does not get the press coverage.

    If GM does not launch the STS at Detroit, it would make a lot more sense that we will not see it until New York.

    Geneva would be very interesting. GM would have a lot to say about its Europe ambitions for Cadillac if it launched the STS in Geneva.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    There won't be much at NAIAS. The Vette, the 4 Kappas, and the G6. GM is spreading the wealth I guess.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nomad concept, too. That should be cool. 4 cyl turbo, I think, so it might be related to the Saturn Ion Redline (just a guess).

  • at a very competitive moment. As far as I can tell, it will face the new BMW 5 (year old), fairly new BMW 7, new Lexus GS, new Infiniti M45, new Acura RL, new Audi A6, new LS430 (year old, but only a year away from a totally new car), etc, etc. Point is, that each of those cars will have lots to offer and Cadillac needs to clearly differentiate itself from the others, or at least, make itself a very comparable American alternative, which many would buy. Not all of the cars above may be direct competitors, but all are in the price "ball park" and will probably be among those "look at" by potential buyers. I want Caddy to hit a home run with the STS, and pray that there is no skimping here and there to save a few bucks, which drives serious buyers to foreign makes. It will not be worth it...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks good. Being RWD will make it more competitive than the current car.

  • That "photo" (really Photoshop!) is hardly new. It and the text came from Car and Driver's 2004 new models issue that came out back in August.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    GMI already had pics of the STS. It looked nothing like that. Did they take them down?
  • you are our BEST source of info on the new STS. Anything else you can dig up? Pics (obviously), powertrain info, transmissions, gearing, weight, when it is likely to go on sale, prices, etc, etc. Thanks and Happy Holidays!
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