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Chevy Uplander/Pontiac Montana SV6/Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza



  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    They'll probably use the TL's engine in the next Odyssey. It does make 270 HP!
  • I've been waiting for any news on the next gm vans, so last week's announcement is welcome. Even if it doesn't have the sales lead, Sienna is the best van out there right now and gm needs to match or surpass it on every level. Safety has to be #1 followed by convenience features. Remote starting (ala malibu) should be avail. and they better have 8 pass. seating with a split third row seat. I can't believe that Ford and Nissan missed the boat on that.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    A ha! Where GM can get a jump over a Sienna!!!!!
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    is a feature you can buy anywhere for about a 100 bucks. Ford offers it on the Windstar, too... So GM should look for something else to be a top leader :-) LOL!

    "I can't believe that Ford and Nissan missed the boat on that..."

    My question is to Nissan only, b/c they designed a brand new van, with even more convenience and safety features than Sienna, ie. reverse mirror tilt, power adjustable pedals, second row folding seat, etc. So it's hard to understand how they missed the split rear bench. But Ford, on the other hand, are just updating the Windstar, and I'm almost sure that in the new 2006 or 2007 model minivan they will update this problem... Yeah, I know, it will be a little late by then...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Where GM can get an advantage is offering a good quality, feature laden, reliable product at a price $2000 lower than the Sienna with out rebates. That's how you'll win import customers like me. (I'm on my 3rd Honda getting ready for a 4th)
  • JChan -

    The problem with reliability for GM is that it will take years of successful cars before we believe that GMs can match Honda and Toyota. Additionally, so long as GM still sells dogs like the Astro and Cavalier, it taints their entire product line.

    - SFD
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    are on the market.

    The Astro is so popular with small contractors - it is rwd and has tremendous tow and load capacity for its size - GM can not afford to dump it without something to take its place.

    A car based, fwd mini-van will never be able to tow 5,200 pounds like the Astro or carry as much inside either.
  • GM won't get rid of the Astro due steady demand. They have a unique product that nobody has challenged (now that the Aerostar is gone - long gone).

    What bothers me is that GM has failed to make any significant changes to this vehicle in the past ten years. They may actually be able to sell a few more of these for family applications if they would make the interior more flexible and the dash more appealing. I like the Astro, but I wish GM would make some long overdue investments.

    When will we get our first peek at the new vans - any idea?
  • First Peek? The press release the same day as the van name release was about the Grand AM replacement the G6. It said the G6 would debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January. Since the van press release didn't make any simular statements, one may assume they would not be on display at Detroit (although it makes the most sense). The next big auto show that GM uses is Chicago which I beleive is in March. SO if not Detroit, it would have to be Chicago. (I'm not ignoring LA, but since it is almost the same time as Detroit, I don't think LA would get the debut).
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    at NAIAS. More likely, the mini-van prototypes will debut at the Chicago Auto Show in February or New York in March.

    Saturn usual new product cycle is usually a few months ahead of main line GM brands. I wonder if the Relay will be available first (say around late July 04), with the other brands launching later in 04 or early 05.

    With fewer Saturn outlets, a Saturn first launch will allow the Doraville factory to ease up production. (of course doing so would also allow larger competitors to grab more sales)

    I wonder if maybe GM could use the Colorado/Canyon platform to affordably make an Astro replacement? Towing capacity would have to be increased.
  • "I wonder if maybe GM could use the Colorado/Canyon platform to affordably make an Astro replacement?" - Logic

    Well, of course they could. GM can do almost anything if they put their best and brightest on the job. I'm confident that the collective brain trust at GM could make a new concept car out of a dust bunny and a safety pin. :-)

    The question is, WILL they make a new RWD/AWD minivan based on the Colorado/Canyon platform? I would certainly consider a 2nd Generation Astro as a replacement for my Quest in a few years.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The GM vans i think will be released in different places. The Relay will premiere in Miami, the Uplander in Detroit, and the Terrazza in New York. An Astro replacement could be do-able if you use the Colorado/Canyon platform and find a way to stick the torque-rich 4.2 I6 from the TrailBlazer.
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    I believe GM's recent UAW agreement allows them to close (in 2005) the van plant in Baltimore that builds the Astro...
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    What will replace the Astro?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I hope a van based off the Colorado/Canyon platform that can squeeze into the Wilmington, DE plant for cost-cutting. Also, if a replacement does come out, it probably will be built in limited numbers.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Most people will chose the Uplander over the Astro at the Chevrolet Dealership.
  • Who goes to their local Chevy dealer to pick up a new Astro for their growing family? Yuck! Maybe a painter or something...
  • lennxlennx Posts: 73
    As current Venture owner, I would not like to see drastic changes in the vehicle. The current van is not outstanding but does many things well.

    The 8 passenger seating is versatile with the fold flat seat in the back and individual seats in the middle.

    The Venture is as reliable as my old Camry.

    An SUV look with AWD would be nice. Better lower back support in the drivers seat. Better MPG.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Agree. The Astro is not really a family vehicle. It is a samller work vehicle.

    FWD format mini-vans are best for most personal applications.
  • Isn't Wilmington, DE slated to be the plant for the Pontiac Solstice? I thought I remember that from a couple months back.

    Good theory on different locations. Guess that would leave Chicago to Pontiac.
  • My point about the Astro and its continuation as a family vehicle was to highlight deficiencies in the current Astro.

    Wouldn't it be nice if GM designed a new Astro (based on the Colorado) and styled it along the lines of the new Sienna or Quest? Families who own boats or pull trailers would have the option of purchasing a minivan with an impressive towing capacity. As it currently exists these families are forced into the SUV market.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I agree. You see a lot of families with boats trade that Caravan on an Excursion just because they just bought a boat! A next gen Astro could be built wherever the Colorado/Canyon are going to be built. Style it more along the lines of a SUV, add a sliding door and add a fold-flat 3rd row seat to the Astro and you have big business. Then again- Suburban Sales would tank. I guess this isn't a win/win situation.
  • So what if Suburban sales tank? I think GM would be doing the average American driver a favor by replacing some Suburban sales with modern Astro sales.

    GM wouldn't care about losing Suburban sales to Astro sales as long as the profit per vehicle on the new Astro would match the Sub's. Not likely, I know, but if GM is interested in returning to prominence it better start thinking outside the box.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Are built in Louisiana in a recently rebuilt facility. It probably could be tooled to make 25k or so rwd mini-vans without much disruption to the pick up truck production.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Maybe we could tone down Suburban production and make a next-gen Astro too. The interior would have to look nice- ya know- people want leather, NAV, and all that junk in their cars. (NAV might be worth a few dollars- but DVD rear seat entertainment? Just tell the kids to look out the window and appreciate what Nature has instead of watching Spongebob.)
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    Looks like it's official - the Venture will be re-named Uplander, and the Montana is now the Montana SV6. Good move or bad?


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  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    although Venture seemed to be a good conservative name for a conservative market.

    Adding SV6 to the existing name seems somewhat indecisive. GM is moving Pontiac away from basic transit. To demonstrate this, it is switching to more performance style names such as GTO and G6.

    GM should show its faith in the trend by naming the mini-van just SV6.
  • lennxlennx Posts: 73
    I like Venture and Montana better.

    Its rare that a name would influence what I would buy but If there is little other differences, the next van will be a Montana SV6 rather than an Uplander. I would not want to be confused with a Highlander or an Outlander
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