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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    GM played with the idea of making a Buick Siecle off the Epsilon platform to replace the Century, bet decided against it.
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    tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    Reg, you got your DOHC engine, now what will be the thing that is "wrong" with it?
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    regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    let's see if its ugly and if the plastic sucks.

    the interior is pretty nice by that picture.
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    tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    The 'Buick' name will cause something to complain about. Be it the glove box light, trunk release button, or taillight lens shape.
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    regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    I've owned and driven several Buicks but after the mid eighties they all bit. I would love to see a Buick Renaissance. So I will check out the LaCrosse. But if its ugly, or has a cheap interior, then no go. At least they might have fixed the powertrain issue.
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    corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,412
    Can't compete with the imports unless the car has a full complement of safety features, including amber rear turn signals. GM has decades of bad lighting design and has fought NHTSA's attempts to implement the superior Euro-spec requirements.

    Any spy shots of this car?
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    tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    "GM has decades of bad lighting design and has fought NHTSA's attempts to implement the superior Euro-spec requirements."

    GM has sold many cars with Amber rear turn signals, including as far back as the 1977 LeSabre. And numerous imports have all red rear turn signals.
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    a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Member Posts: 518
    I'll second that. My Pontiac has brake lights that are shared with the hazards. This means that when I apply the brake, the hazards stop flashing. I hope that whatever moron designed that is no longer employed by GM.

    -Andrew L
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    stormdavystormdavy Member Posts: 80
    Seems late in a high-stakes naming game to change what this replacement car will be called. Buick LaCrosse (whether cancelled or no) is a great one: good sound, association of a sport, invented by N. American Indians, while it doesn't have the coveted letter "x", the name in fact means X (cross), or crosier (bishop's sceptre).

    Hard work to come up with a home run name for this... Since we'll know in a month, any guesses? predictions? favorites? Greek deities? Roman soldiers? Birds of prey? Foreign words? Place names? Letter/ Number combos? Retro options? Guess 'Banshee' is out!! Buick "Rex" (sounds like a dog name/ also 'wrecks').
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    ehaaseehaase Member Posts: 328
    Buick should have just kept the Regal name.
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    tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    Regals are not selling, the name is dated and dead.
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    olrdvolrdv Member Posts: 53
    The Regal name did NOT die by natural causes, they just killied it.
    It has been the only model that had reliability surveys comparable to and even beating the japanese brands.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Lutz just wants to start Buick over again. He doesn't care about the heritage of the name.
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    joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    In stead of wasting time with names, how about GM comming out with some production versions of these concept cars. Hey Theo, are you a dealer with access to the order config lists? Funny you know all the options and color lists when no photos or drawings are even out. Probably a re-badged Grand Prix. They got all the same mechanics and option checklist setup right from the other car.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Back in the day (until last week) anyone could go on their merry way to the GM Dealer website and get all the 2005 info they wanted. Of course, they took it down after people went on posting sprees of the 2005 options. And no, I do not work at a dealership.
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    a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Member Posts: 518
    theo-

    Yeah, I figured that out after I started seeing that info all over the place. Actually I went to the fleet site -- they had PDFs up for 2005 (incomplete, though). I should have downloaded them while I had the chance...

    -Andrew L
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    rutledge1rutledge1 Member Posts: 6
    With the NAIAS just about a few weeks away, I was wondering if in one out there had run across any spy photos the LaCrosse anywhere, I'm really interested too see what this car looks like
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Well it seems as if the car won't be debuting at NAIAS, probably New York. Surprisingly, there hasn't been a SINGLE half-decent spyshot, except for that shot of the interior I posted a while back.
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    naias2004naias2004 Member Posts: 2
    I have heard the Lacrosse with be a Lexus GS 300 with Buick badging is this true?

    Does anyone have ANY new pics or info?
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    rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    Where'd you hear that from!?! A Lexus with Buick badging?? They're not even the same parent company! The LaCrosse is rumored to be a CTS, or was that the upcoming Park Avenue or LeSebare. Anyways, it will not be a Lexus.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    I refer you to TSX's post a while back. He said it looked *similar* to the GS.

    post 38
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    rutledge1rutledge1 Member Posts: 6
    I have gotten to the point that I am willing to pay someone to see spy photos of this car......Has somebody out there seen this car and why is Buick being so secretive?
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    rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    You're that desperate!?! I'd rather buy spy photos of the next RL, upcoming Skyline GTR, M35. But, that's you're choice....

    Does anyone know what the engines for the LaCrosse will be???
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    The 3800 V6 bumped to 230 lb-ft and the CTS 3.6L DOHC down-tuned to 240 HP.
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    setzersetzer Member Posts: 127
    the Regal's styling looks like an Oldsmobile's somewhat.
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    bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Member Posts: 1,058
    Lacrosse will debut on Feb 4th at the Chicago auto show.
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    stormdavystormdavy Member Posts: 80
    yet didn't see LaCrosse on Chicago Show web site's list of intros, like Mercury Montego is.

    Maybe they're keeping it a surprise-- and hopefully it knocks everyone's socks off. After Terazza, we need that!
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    stormdavystormdavy Member Posts: 80
    Thanks for that tantalizing glimpse. Looks sharp.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    That's the concept car that debuted back in 2000. The LaCrosse will look nothing like that.
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    regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    unfortunate about that, actually the show car was hot.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    All pre-Lutz concepts have been thrown out the window, just as an FYI.
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    wsag26wsag26 Member Posts: 124
    Looks like a Benz. That has to be a compliment.
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    joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    with a different front end, just like the mini-vans: 100% exactly the same from the nose back.
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    orwoodyorwoody Member Posts: 269
    Somewhere I saw a spy photo of the new LaCrosse (before name change decision). Don't expect too much excitement. I was really excited with the concept LaCrosse. The Spy photo I saw didn't show a drastic departure from the current design.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    The G6 and LaCrosse are on totally different platforms, therefore it is a totally different car. The minivans are just badge-jobs.
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    logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    Joey is never one to let the facts get in the way of a dissing.

    Boy Joey, that G6 sure looks a lot like the Malibu, Maxx, Saab 9-3 and Opel Vectra it shares its platform with (NOT).
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    joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    They add a few inches to epsilon and it's a whole new platform. I guess you think the Nox is a new platform also cause they strech the wheel base six inches over the Vue. Instead of the stupid little remarks why don't bring some facts of all your inside knowledge to the forum.
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    wsag26wsag26 Member Posts: 124
    They're not alike otherwise I would have said the LaCrosse looks exactly like the G6. The LaCrosse is on a different platform. The Nox (Equinox) and VUE are on the same platform, so is the G6 and Malibu & Malibu Maxx. They can be longer, yes and still be on the same platform. The LaCrosse, on the other hand is on a totally different platform than the Nox or Malibu, meaning it will have a different wheelbase (longer or shorter), have a different engine, interior, styling, design, architecture, practically everything.
    JUST REMEMBER: They did the same thing with BMW's and no one realized. All the 5 & 7 series is are the same vehicles, looking different, but having the same engines, interiors, everything. Just because GM is doing it, doesn't mean all the others aren't!
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    The G6, Vectra, Malibu, 9-3, and the Saturn version are all Epsilon. The LaCrosse, Grand Prix, and Intrigue are/were on the W-body. Very different; the W-body has been around for about 10 years. They've upgraded and improved the platform a lot for the Grand Prix and LaCrosse. Even those two will be hard to tell apart.
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    rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    W-body?? You'd think they'd at least make the platform with a flashy name like Epsilon or Sigma. LOL..just a thought. :)
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Back in the dark ages at GM (late 70s to early 90s), they used a rediculous amount of platforms. They had A, B, E, F, G, H, J, K, N, P, U, W, X, and Y-bodies. There are probably more that I can't remember.

    Now they are trying to take a Japanese approach to things, reducing the amount of different platforms and re-engineering them for different vehicles, so they can look and drive differently.
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    logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    are on the Epsilon, a platform developed under the management currently heading GM.

    The W body, which will base the Buick LaCrosse was developed during the early Zarella days.

    Other than that they are both car platforms, there is nothing in common with the Epsilon and W platforms.

    The Nox and VUE share a platform and are in many ways the same.

    Toyota, Honda, BMW and DaimlerChrysler are all big platform sharers. GM sells more cars through more branded dealerships. Most likely its percentage of swapped platform sales is right in line with the competition.

    FACTS JOEY. FACTS.
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Exactly right. Honda uses the Accord platform for everything, but they re-engineer it for each application, which is a much better idea.

    BTW if it means anything to anyone, Epsilon was primarily engineered in Europe.
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    regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    toyota spawns about ten vehicles off the camry platform.
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    alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    about 10 on the FM Global (read: Altima) platform.

    ~alpha
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    alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    posted all the GM platform alphas:
    10 points per if you can name at least TWO of the cars that at one time shared that platform. (I have to confess, I dont know them all).

    ~alpha
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    a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Member Posts: 518
    All off the top of my head...

    A: Buick Century, Pontiac 6000, Chevrolet Celebrity, Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera/Cruiser

    B: Chevrolet Caprice/Impala, Buick LeSabre/Estate, Pontiac Parisienne, Oldsmobile Delta

    F: Chevrolet Camaro, Pontiac Firebird

    G: Pontiac Bonneville, Chevrolet Malibu, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

    H: Chevrolet Vega, Pontiac Astre, Chevrolet Monza, Buick Skyhawk, Oldsmobile Starfire, Pontiac Sunbird

    J: Chevrolet Cavalier, Cadillac Cimarron, Pontiac 2000/Sunbird/Sunfire, Buick Skyhawk, Oldsmobile Firenza

    N: Buick Skylark, Pontiac Grand Am, Chevy Malibu, Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais

    W: Chevrolet Lumina, Chevrolet Impala, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Buick Regal, Buick Century, Pontiac Grand Prix, Oldsmobile Intrigue, Buick LaCrosse (2005)

    X: Chevrolet Citation, Pontiac Phoenix, Oldsmobile Omega, Buick Skylark

    Yeah, so there are a few I don't know :-)

    -Andrew L
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    theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    What I have:

    P is really P90. That's what the old Malibu, Grand Am, and Alero are on.

    G is the premium front-drive platform. The Park Ave., Deville, and Aurora are on it.

    The Delta 88, LeSabre, and Bonneville are on H.

    K is the old Seville.

    The U-bodies are the minivans. The Y-bodies are the Corvette/XLR.

    A good, fairly complete list: http://www.automotive-esources.com/platforms_codes.htm
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