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2005 Kia Spectra/Cerato

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  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    here is a nice link to the kia spectra, no new news but some nice video just click on kia spectra when you get to the page, this car is very sharp looking indeed!!!!!

    http://autos.en.msn.ca/as/autoshow2004/video.aspx?xml=streaming
  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    saw my first 2005 kia spectra beautiful little car, very big on the inside from what i could tell, a huge improvement over the old model, HOWEVER i was looking at an lx model with most of the ex options, minus the nice front and rear chin spoiler and 16 inch wheels, 18950 canadian funds, i am guessing this car well fetch over 20000 with the cosmetic upgrades this is just too expensive for kia to be competitive, very nice design though, i still want to take it out for a spin and see how she performs.......
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    They've already got the new 2005 Kia Spectra's over there? Notice I said "over there" and not "up there?" I want to see one in person, too!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the only problem I have with any Korean (and domestic) automaker is the resale value compared to the Japanese. Then again, I throw 100,000 miles on my cars in six years, then trade em' in on a newer model.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    It seems to me you are a perfect candidate for a Kia (or Hyundai)--you can use up every bit of the 100k warranty and buy a new one. What's a six-year-old Civic or Corolla with 100k on it worth anyway?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    At that mileage the difference is small.

    I had a '91 Ford Escort, with 107k miles and 7 years old it was totalled. I got $3000 from the insurance company.

    Funny thing was the Honda and Toyota were only $1000 more, yet they would have cost $3000-4000 more to buy in the first place.

    So I think you have a point. If you can get a good purchase price and then drive it that many miles...

    -juice
  • ray1ray1 Posts: 4
    Just bought a new LX, they just came out yesterday. $15175.00 color, ICE BLUE,

    Nice!!!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I had an Accord Coupe that fetched $7,500 in the resale market with 100,000 miles on it. The Civic will be worth much less though. At that point, the Kia will be worth just as little.
  • ray1ray1 Posts: 4
    Just bought a new LX, they just came out yesterday. $15175.00 color, ICE BLUE,

    Nice!!!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    a lot more about your new Kia Spectra than that! Coolio Iglasius! Ice blue, I'll bet it's basically gorgeous! What options and features does yours have? Does it have that valance and spoiler body option built onto it? I know that the hatchback isn't out yet so you have that great new sedan style that we've been chatting about for a few months now. You have air conditioning, right? How about the stereo? How's it rock? Way cool...I've got a red Cerato(new Spectra)picture taped to my desk and I DO look at it pert-near every day. Congratulations on your new Kia and good fortune with it. Do post more details about it, too, OK, ray1?

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  • ray1ray1 Posts: 4
    here is the standard features on my LX right of the sticker.

    MECHANICAL

    2.0L 16 Valve DOHC engine w/CVVT
    4 speed automatic transmission
    Power rack & pinion steering
    p195/60r15 tires, full wheel covers

    SAFETY

    Dual advanced front airbags
    dual front & rear side curtain airbags
    front and rear crumple zones
    side door impact beams
    front height adjustable seatbelt anchors
    front seat belt pretensioners with force limiter
    child safe rear door locks
    lower anchors and tethers for children (LATCH)

    INTERIOR

    AM/FM/CD audio with 6 speakers
    cloth seat trim with 60/40 split folding rear seats
    8 way adjustable drivers seat. tinted glass
    center console w/armrest and dual storage bins
    variable intermittent wipers, dual remote mirrors
    map lamps w/ sunglasses holder, tachometer
    remote fuel door, trunk and hood release
    tilt steering column, illuminated ignition switch
    aut off headlamps, dome light w/delay out
    dual front cupholders, dual rear cupholders
    visor vanity mirrors, center console storage tray

    EXTERIOR

    clear lens headlamps and tail lamps
    body color door handles, outside mirrors
    body color bodyside moldings
    5 mph bumpers
    10years /100000 miles limited powertrain warranty

    manufacturers suggested retail price $13,595.00

    OPTIONS

    Air conditioning 960.00

    carpeted floor mats 80.00

    sub total 14,635.00

    transportation fee 540.00

    total 15,175.00

    As you can see, we mostly just got the basics, but it is still a very nice vehicle.

    Ray
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Congratulations on your new Spectra! How does it drive--ride, handling, performance, noise etc.? What other cars did you shop before buying the Spectra?

    Did you get any discount off MSRP? I ask because the price of a Elantra GT with the same engine but more equipment (but just SABs vs. curtains) would be about $2000 less than the sticker price of the Spectra, and I can't see Kia selling many Spectras with that kind of price disparity.
  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    i feel the same way, i think this is a great little car havent had a chance to sit in it, but from the outside it looks great, the 2005 i saw did not have any front, rear or side skirts, but kia was still demanding a pretty penny at 18950 canadian, and that was for the lx model with some ex options like power window and such, i think this car can easily top out at over 20000 and that is just too much for a economy sedan, even though i really do like it!

    kia has to realize they are the one's trying to steal market share not the other way around, really nice car though!!!!!!!!
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    What model year are they calling the Spectra on the window sticker?
  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    I cant speak for my american brethren, but here in canada the sticker is showing as 2005 spectra if you can believe that, this will only add to the deplorable depreciation of the car!!!!! Still love the car though!!!!!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Does anybody know when Kia will let you build and price one on their website?
  • ray1ray1 Posts: 4
    the model year on the sticker for my american LX is 2004. I did not get any rebates that I know of. Just what I could work out with the dealer. Not much though, my wife wanted it NOW!!!

    I finally got to drive it to my birthday dinner with my family. I had to pay for that too. And tomorrow I get to drive it again. My three year old granddaughter is taking me to see Sesame Street Live.

    It may be because I only drive an old truck, but I really enjoyed driving my wife's car
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Two countries. Two cars. One is part of the Present; the other, somehow transported into the Future. What could have caused this juxtaposition of time and space? A black hole, perhaps? Or maybe only a misplaced email in Product Marketing. Either event is possible in... The Kia Zone.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    LOL.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    was a typo, yugoboy.I think it should have said 2004 Kia Spectra. At any rate, I sure love this new Spectra's body styling. And thanks, ray1, for popping that information in here for us on your Spectra. Congrats to you! I think you literally bought one of the first. I don't think these cars are overpriced that are being described here. I do think you have to haggle or you'll pay just a bit more than you should. Point being, I believe the Kia rigs are a good enough deal that a few hundred here or a few hundred there add up to nothing more than points for needless contention in the long run. Just the way I think about that subject. I think Kia builds enough quality in there for you that you'll come out fine with your deal without pulling your hair out haggling. It's worked for me in my two Kia deals so far. The Sport just passed 66,000 miles and we're VERY pleased with it.
        BTW, if I was shopping for a Spectra, I would use my "customer-loyalty rebate" letter Kia mailed me several months ago. Definitely I would. I would also ask for any and all discounts and rebates available at that time. Beyond that I'd buy that pup and drive it with pleasure. Good day!
       Enjoy that Spectra, ray1! When you get to drive it, that is!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    i wish it was a typo and i would be able to put it all behind me, however after closer investigation the window sticker does show the spectra as 2005, these koreans are out of control, it really should be a 2004.5 model!!!!! I still like it though!!!! I will wait for the hatch to come out and the price to come down a little also before any investment in kia is made!!!!!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks better than the BMW 1 series hatch.

    Check it out:

    http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/25231

    Seriously, the Kia looks better.

    -juice
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Yeah, you're right.

    I'm seeing some Jaguar X Type in the front end... just a little.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    looks better than the convertible 1-Series which has too many lines.
  • chrisducatichrisducati Posts: 394
    Wow. that is all I can say. Has anyone seen the hatch yet? Any links to photos of one? On the price of the new spectra, I would wait as long as one could because by the end of the model year KIA and its dealers will be giving huge discounts.
    Don't get me wrong, I like KIA and Hyundai. I just will not pay anywhere near sticker price. Here in St louis you can drive away in a nice new Elantra for about $10000. A kia is a bit less. I am really interested in what the Hatch will look like. I hope it is on the order of the Mazda 3 five door.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    hatchback try this link out. It's the new Kia Cerato(Spectra)microsite. It starts out with a cool mini-movie on the two Spectra's. Looks pretty sweet to this padre!

    http://www.kia-cerato.com/

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  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    here are the photos of the sharp looking hatch, it should be a winner, clean lines, nice look, article states the europe with get a 2 liter that puts out 143hp, very competitive indeed!!!!

    http://www.channel4.com/4car/feature/motorshows/geneva2004/kia-ce- rato.html
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    do visit the Kia Spectra microsite as well located right here:

    http://www.kia-cerato.com/

    This is a sweet looking hatchback-I can't wait to see them hitting Missouri highways and bi-ways. I have to make do with no Kia dealers here in Rolla, MO. The closest dealers are 100 miles NE in St.Louis, MO; 70 miles north in Columbia, MO and 100 miles SW in Springfield, MO. Hey, that gives me an idea!!!! =;)

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I'm very impressed with how this car looks on paper, and I'd like to take a test drive. HOWEVER, it would be especially nice if Kia would pay me to test drive the car, as Mitsubishi, Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, and Mazda have done in the past through various rewards offers! Does anyone know if Kia is going to have a MAJOR marketing push for this jazzy little car, and if that will include test drive offers?

    ~alpha
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Isn't it time to move this to the sedan forum since the new Spectra is at the dealers?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,077
    It'll probably come up on next week's report - we try to stay consistent with the Edmunds.com Future/New vehicles pages, but thanks for the warning. I'll keep an eye out for the switch.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Anyone seen a new Spectra hatchback in the Midwest yet, specifically the Twin Cities? I have yet to see any dealers advertising it. I won't be able to get to the Twin Cities auto show until next Saturday (am in Asia until then).
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    website now they have a separate presentation set up for the all-new Spectra for 2004. Click on it and you are taken to a video presentation and you can later color the new Spectra how you like and spin it around, etc. Features and comparo's are there as well. Sure looks sweet to this Kia fan.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    I finally saw the new '04 Spectra at my local auto show this past weekend. They had one LX and one EX sedan. I was very impressed by the interior of the LX, which was a two-tone tan and very classy looking, IMO as good as anything in its class. But I didn't like two things about the interior: a single seat-height lever vs. the dual knob adjuster on the current car, and a very small center console with almost no storage space. The single-lever adjuster does not allow the myriad of adjustments that the dual-knob system does, e.g. you can't raise the front edge independent of the rear edge. I was not able to adjust the seat to a just-right position. I don't know why Kia had to change something that C/D has called the best in the industry (in their review of an Elantra that had the same dual-knob adjuster as the old Spectra).

    I was also not impressed by the value proposition of the Spectra, compared to its cousin the Elantra. The EX costs about the same as an Elantra GT, but the Spectra has far less equipment, and the Elantra has much bigger incentives right now. The dash is nicer on the Spectra, but not enough to justify the higher price IMO. The only major advantage the Spectra has over the Elantra IMO is the standard side curtains. However, the Elantra has received solid side-impact test scores, so that may be a case of a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

    A Kia rep at the show said the hatchback would be available in a couple of months.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They're showing the Cerato hatchback at the NY Auto Show. I debuted at Geneva but it'll make its US debut in NY in April.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "The only major advantage the Spectra has over the Elantra IMO is the standard side curtains. However, the Elantra has received solid side-impact test scores, so that may be a case of a solution to a problem that doesn't exist."

    I understand where you seem to be coming from HOWEVER, curtains are very desirable for this little known fact: the NHTSA side impact test scores that you see presented as a star rating DOES NOT factor in head protection, even though dummy measurements are taken. There are many cars that receive 4 stars in the side impact test but have perilously high HIC figures (near 1000, the threshold for severe injury.) Check out the 2004 Honda Accord sedan to see what I mean.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    The Accord had a rating of 882 on the front side impact, and 515 for the rear. It is not clear whether SABs or curtains were tested. Usually the test results matrix indicates if SABs were tested; there is no indication of that for the Accord. The Elantra has standard front side airbags. The HIC for the front is 192, and 540 for the rear.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They test the cheapest model, so if the base Accord does not have it it's likely the tested model does not.

    They will re-test a 2nd model if the manufacturer provides it for free. Honda usually does not, but Ford usually does.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    You're just slightly confused. You perfectly described the IIHS side impact testing policy, not the NHTSA's, who don't have any type of policy publically outlined with respect to testing vehicles with Side Impact Airbags.

    backy- your post gives me no indication as to whether or not you understand the point I am trying to convey. So heres my thesis, in case I did a poor job of elaborating before (sorry!)With an HIC of 882, its impossible that NHTSA factors head injury into its side impact rating, as an HIC of 882 would prevent a vehicle from being assigned 4 stars.

    Thus, in relation to the Elantra and new Spectra, despite the fact that the Elantra does well in side impact HIC for both front and rear occupants, it is nonetheless, all other things being equal, better to have extra protection for the heads of the rear passengers (which the Elantra does not currently offer). However, one would not know this given the high star ratings that the NHTSA seemingly haphazardly doles out.

    That said, I really dont think the new Spectra is priced too high, as you seem to think, backy? Also, given that you havent driven the car, how do you know it is not dynamically superior to the Elantra?

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    I understand the point you were trying to convey. I was only giving you some detail on why I don't consider the lack of side curtains on the Elantra to be a big issue. I still think the Spectra is overpriced vs. the Elantra, given that there are $3000 in rebates availble to me right now on an Elantra plus hefty discounts. I can get a loaded Elantra GT automatic with ABS/traction and moonroof for about $13,000 + T&L. That's thousands less than a comparable Spectra. The value proposition just isn't there for me yet on the Spectra. When the inevitable discounts and rebates come, maybe it will be.

    No, I haven't driven a new Spectra yet because they haven't been in my local dealerships. Maybe they are now. Since they use the same chassis as the Elantra, I would expect the ride and handling to be comparable, but that remains to be seen. Anyway, since the Spectra hatchback isn't available in my area right now, and that's the type of vehicle I'm interesting in buying at this moment, the Spectra is a no-op for me until it's time to turn over the keys of my Elantra to my oldest son in a couple of years.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Saw it, didn't drive it.

    I thought this was the next gen. Elantra available as an '06 and that Kia was springing it a year early because of the sorry state of the present platform. If so, I'm a bit dissapointed. Not sure why they marketed the base car without air or automatic windows/locks. Interior looks a bit barren too.

    Stark difference in marketing compared to Hyundai. Also, why are they calling this an '04 Spectra...almost like Volkswagen used to do.

    Isn't it time to put this in the sedans forum???
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    What?

    Yes, I also believe that this is based on the NEXT Elantra, which is why I asked for the distinction between "seeing the car" and driving it. However, I'm not sure why you're correlating the next generation platform/structure to standard features, as the two are entirely not related, but this seems to be why you are disappointed with the vehicle. I apologize, I just dont get the thesis of the last post.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Does anyone know for sure whether the new Spectra uses the platform from the current Elantra, or the platform that will be used for the next-gen Elantra? I had heard that it was the new platform, but then someone else told me I was wrong, that it's the current platform.

    Re the "drab" interior, I thought the grey interior (EX) was a little drab looking, but the tan interior of the LX was quite sharp, with a more distinctive two-tone treatment similar to pricier cars like Camry or Passat.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I really expected this thing to be on the cutting edge. At least as nice as the Mazda3-- not sure it's any better than the current Elantra (which I own and like a lot).

    I recently went shopping for a low end TV for a friend's kid and was kind of surprised that the prices have risen since last summer. I guess the dollar's getting cheaper in relation to the won and that's resulting in decontenting all around. Don't know why anyone would buy the EX when the a/c brings it almost in line with the LX as to price. Maybe people in northern Maine or something. At any rate, it looks like a big marketing departure although I know the Elantra had more on the base car than the last gen. Spectra did.

    (Just checked dollar dropped against the Won 1156 today, 1248 last year. Not big but it does represent about 8-9 percent.)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    I drove a '04 (need to change the title I guess) Spectra today--the New '04 Spectra vs. the Old '04 Spectra (that will be interesting to sort out in the car ads and pricing guides). It was an EX 5-speed with mats as the only option, MSRP $14,370. Silver with grey interior.

    Inside and out, the new Spectra is lightyears beyond its predecessor. The exterior reminds me of a plumped-up Protege, especially the rear deck. The interior is tastefully done, with quality comparable to Honda and Toyota. Quality of the plastics on the dash and trim panels is very good. The seat material, a light grey plush, is a little boring, however. (Personally I prefer the tan interior, with more contrast between the plastic trim and fabric.) The controls have a precision feel, with rotary HVAC controls similar to the '04 Elantra's. The center console has a padded armrest, but the storage compartment is small. There is only one 12V power point (at least that I could see). The plastic wheel has a comfy thick rim. However, it was difficult to adjust the wheel such that it would not block the speedo or tach, or both. (I am blind in the right eye, that may have something to do with it as the tach is in the left corner of the instrument cluster.) The driver's seat has a single-lever height adjuster, instead of the dual-knob adjuster used on the previous Spectra and on other Kias and Hyundais--more on that later.

    The engine is quiet at idle and growls under acceleration. I didn't press the new engine but power seemed more than adequate. The shifter is precise, just a bit notchy (it might loosen up with time if it's anything like the Elantra's shifter). The shifter knob is big and round, easy to grip, with a tasteful shift pattern emblem on top. The clutch action is smooth.

    The ride is good on the highway, with expansion strips creating a mild thump. The suspension seems a little firmer than an Elantra GLS or Corolla, but less firm than a Civic. Handling seemed in between an Elantra GLS and GT--it took cloverleafs at 35 mph with no problem and there was no sway on turns or lane changes. The car is quiet at cruise, except for some wind noise (65 mph) from the driver's side and a rattle in the driver's B pillar. I noticed the rpms are a bit higher than on an Elantra with the same engine--about 2250 at 50 mph vs. 2000 on the Elantra, in 5th gear.

    Rear seat comfort was very good (5' 10", 32" inseam), with good leg room and head room. There is good toe space under the front seats, much more than cars like the Elantra and Mazda3. It's a 60/40 split rear seat but with no center armrest, which the lower-priced Forenza has. Two cupholders pop out of the center console.

    Which leads to the one major problem I found with the car: the driving position. As noted, the seat has a single-lever height adjuster. It moves the seat cushion up and down along one axis. So when I raised the seat such that the front edge was the right height, the rear felt too high, and when I lowered it to correct that problem, the front edge was too low and I felt I was going downhill. The steering wheel was also difficult to adjust so that it was comfortable and I could see the gauges. I think it's unfortunate that Kia didn't carry over the simple but effective dual-knob seat height adjuster from the previous Spectra. Because of that one flaw (or feature), I have to rule out the Spectra, just like a similar problem with the Corolla knocks it out of the running for me.

    Other than that, I think the new Spectra is a well-executed small car that is at least the equal in most respects to the class-leaders: Civic, Corolla, Focus, Mazda3, and Elantra. It doesn't have the fuel economy, reliability history, or resale value of the Civic or Corolla, but beats them on power, price and warranty. It can't match the Mazda3 for power, but again has the price and warranty advantages. It is similar in many respects to the Elantra, with the same engine and chassis (?), but has a more upscale interior than the GLS and offers standard four-wheel disc brakes (available only with ABS on the Elantra) and standard side airbags and curtains.

    I think the Spectra will get its toughest competition from its cousin the Elantra. The Spectra has a small price advantage in MSRP, with the Elantra at $14,467 but without rear discs or the side curtains. However, the Elantra has a $2000 rebate plus other incentives, which IMO tip the scales in favor of the Elantra until Kia addes similar incentives.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Spectra EX MSRP with cruise is $14,570, a bit more than the Elantra GLS with package 3.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Knew it had to be head and tails above the old car...
  • robinsrobins Posts: 2
    Hi Backy
    This is my very first post for the town hall, so please excuse any imperfections.

    I was told by the dealer that this car has the same platform as the hyundai tiburon.

    I had the opportunity to keep the 2005 Spectra overnight thus giving me a chance to drive it alot. I really love this car! It drives and handles very well. It has a lot of pep for a little car. This car is quiet when driving on the highway as well as around town. I am not an expert on vehicles just a person looking for a new car. I also drove the Toyota Corolla and the Elantra but overall I liked the interior/exterior style of 2005 Spectra more than the others. The Spectra's motor was much quieter than the Toyota when accelerating and driving. The Spectra's dash is much more pleasing than the Elantras. My dilemma is I am quite apprehensive about buying a Kia product.
    PS I also drove the 2004 Spectra... absolutely no comparison to the new 2005! I wouldn't even consider the 04 model.
    Thanks Robin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Welcome, Robin, promise we won't bite.

    :o)

    -juice
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    Personally I'd take the comment by the dealer with a grain of salt, as not all dealers have deep insider knowledge. But in this case there may be some truth to it. The previous generation Tibby used the same platform as the Elantra, but in the current generation I've read that the two platforms have diverged somewhat. Still there is enough similarity that, for example, some Elantra owners have been known to use the Tibby's rear sway bar on their cars. If the new Spectra does in fact use the same platform as the Tibby, then there must have been a lot of suspension tweaks made to the Spectra, because the Tibby rides much more firmly than the Spectra.

    I prefer the dash on the new Spectra to the Elantra's also--a much more upscale look. Elantra won't be able to catch up until the next redesign for the '06 model year. However, I do like a lower cowl, and the Spectra's dash is higher than the Elantra's.

    I also don't see any big advantage that the Corolla has over the Spectra, at least from a driving standpoint. The Corolla still has the advantage in fuel economy and in predicted reliability and resale value; it will take awhile for the Spectra to build a comparable reputation. For example, the Elantra has had a solid reliability picture for over five years now, but that still hasn't translated into higher resale values (in part due to the large incentives offered on new Elantras). At least the Spectra has the long warranty. If you like the car but are apprehensive, you might want to go for an extended warranty to give you peace of mind (and also will increase the resale value).
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