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2005 Kia Spectra/Cerato

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  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,788
    I went to my dealer for service yesterday. I looked at the all-new Spectra in the showroom. I didn't test drive it. But it looks very nice. I looked at the window stickers. They are all 2004 model. Most dealers here advertised this as 2004.5 model. And it is 2005 model in Canada. Can you tell which is which if someone mention new 2004 Kia Spectra?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think that is a bit picky. Typically you see only two interior color schemes, light gray and light beige. You're lucky to get charcoal as a 3rd.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Still havent had a chance to test drive, but the reviews seem overwhelmingly favorable. BUT, I dont like the rather bulbous, chunky, too-much-taillights rear styling. Id have to say the 5 door is a lot cleaner looking.

    Have yet to see one in person though, so perhaps my impressions will be different then. FWIW, No cash rebate yet, but I did see an ad last night on TV that stated 0% was available.

    ~alpha
  • wanderwander Posts: 10
    Has the launched date for the Spectra5 been set? My brother said he saw a TV ad for it already I doubt that Kia would still be advertising the original Spectra hatch.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,058
    hitting dealer lots. The sedan is already coming in(has been for a while)and Kia mentioned that the Spectra5 would follow the sedan by a coupla months. I like the large rear-taillights in newspaper and Internet pictures but really want to glance at them in person and on the road. They mimic a few European sedans in that respect-maybe that's what Kia was going for. As for interior colors-I prefer ones like black or grey to hide interior dirt accumulation. I could care less if some dork thinks they mean ECONOCAR. Watch them shreik as gas prices continue to climb, anyway, eh? Kia is spot on with this new Spectra-Spectra5.

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  • wanderwander Posts: 10
    My brother told me that he saw a Spectra 5 in downtown San Diego last Sunday. I hope I'll see one soon too.
  • kiapartskiaparts Posts: 13
    Although not available for another couple of weeks, you may see factory reps driving pre-production models. A lot of my local reps were driving Amantis weeks before the release. As for food for thought. My inside source states that Kia will be offering a SUPERCHARGED version of the new style Spectras. They are also working aftermarket style body kits that will be sold as factory parts.
  • wanderwander Posts: 10
    That car was probably a demo unit, well I'll just wait for official launch. It sounds like Kia has a similar program to what Scion offers with their cars.
  • psrockpsrock Posts: 2
    The new Spectra is a great liitle number, and is light years ahead of it's predecessor, but it's not without shortcomings. Yes 2 color choices is the norm fo interiors, but the new Spectra's cloth choices are far too light, almost annoyingly so. And the interior layout is blah. Kia's are most popular with the 18-25 yr. old segment of the market, but that interior styling screams conservative. And the Sectra has to be one of the only vehicles in the industry to boast better fuel mileage with its automatic transmission. Poor gear ratios the mostlikely culprit here. Finally, as good as this car is, you're still taking the risk of drastic depreciation, and questionable reliability. Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, and even the Focus are still better buys in my book. I say wait 4 more years to buy a kia.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Well, I still havent driven one. But- for those with a reasonable amount of cash, the only way to go is the Mazda 3. No the warranty isnt as long as the Kia's, but the overall package is truly impressive. I drove a 3i auto with minimal options, but equipped the way I'd like, with auto, alloys, power options, side curtains and airbags, and ABS, its $17,940 on the sticker, and carsdirect.com is showing a sales price of $17,000 in my area, and I think there may be College Grad rebates available as well. The ride, handling, acceleration, fuel economy, room, construction, styling, refinement... all represent minimal compromise. Ive rarely been as impressed on a test drive as I was with the 3i. Could be the best car for the money out there, especially for young singles or small families. I really dont like orange IP illumination, but really, thats the ONE major fault I had with the car, and Im sure I could get used to it.

    The Spectra does look nice though. When time permits, I look forward to taking it for a spin.

    ~alpha
  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    Easy with your propaganda, the koreans are making huge strides in quality, the old "just buy a civic, corolla" cannot be applied anymore, i dont think you will need to wait the 4 years to make the jump..... IMHO

    :)

    check it out

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/040429-1.htm
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    Since this isn't a comparison board, I hesitate to jump into a comparison discussion, but I have to disagree that the Mazda3i is the "best car for the money out there" at $17k discounted price--not when loaded Elantra GTs go for ab0out $13k + T&L. Once the newness of the Spectras wears off and the discounts and rebates come, they will be quite a value compared to the 3i also.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's not the no-brainer some people think it is, crash test scores are very disappointing for instance.

    When will the Kia get tested?

    -juice
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,058
    the market, sell for a while, and wait and see how much of a rebate and what kind of incentives Kia will offer Americans to buy it. I sure like a lot of what Kia has done with this new Spectra. Remember, as my nickname implies, I loved my '99 Sephia and this new Spectra simply offers way more feature and build content than my Sephia had in it. I bought my '99 Sephia with a $2,000 manufacturer's rebate in only the spring of '99. Didn't take long for a healthy rebate to hit dealer lots on Sephia. Still have a great impression of that car and we love our '01 Sportage 4x4 as well. It's all South Korean for this Missourian!

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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Are you talking about the Mazda 3 or the Hyundai Elantra when you say this "It's not the no-brainer some people think it is, crash test scores are very disappointing for instance"?

    backy- for those who have the extra 2 or 3 grand to spend, you're getting a lot more car with the Mazda 3i. More pep, more room, better handling, better styling (subjective), better safety, better ride, better fuel economy, greater resale, better range of colors and options. Mazda hit it out of the ballpark. The Hyundai is also an excellent offering at the price, but in terms of an overall package, the Mazda is in a league of its own.

    ~alpha
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mazda3, it got 4/4/3/3 stars from NHTSA in their ratings. Nowadays quadruple 5 stars is almost universal, so that's poor for a new model.

    Link:

    http://nhtsa.gov/NCAP/Cars/2004Cmpt.html

    Elantra scores better (5/4/5/4), FWIW.

    Mazda6 got a similarly warm reception but it has big rebates now, $2000 IIRC. So if you buy a Mazda3 sans rebate, and later on Mazda piles on incentives, resale might not match your expectations.

    I haven't driven one, but I do like the Volvo S40.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    4 or 5 stars in the goverment's frontal impact make little difference to me, both are very good performances. The Elantra's offset rating is Poor, which I find more troubling. The Mazda 3 tested in the side impact did not have optional side curtains/chest airbag combo, which IMO is the only way to buy a MY 2004 or 2005 vehicle. Happily, one of the major pluses of the new Spectra is its standard side impact protection.

    About resale- the Mazda 3 competes better in its segment than does the 6. Once it starts getting the press it deserves (i.e.... probably the Top Rating for all cars in the segment, which is coming in the August issue of Consumer Reports), I think sales will pick up, which would mitigate the rebate issue. Its almost scary the pull that CR has over everyday consumers.

    Its too bad that I dont think the new Spectra will have been available in time for that report- CR logs about 6000 miles on their test cars before publishing. For the August report, the Scion xB and xA will also be rated, as will the unimpressive (IMO) Suzuki Forenza. Skip that offering and just get a Specrra!

    ~alpha
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    As long as Mazda6 prices don't get too close, the 3 should be OK then.

    NHTSA only tests the cheapest model, hence no side curtains on the one tested. They will re-test only if the manufacturer donates the car, Mazda must have chosen not to.

    I don't doubt it would do far better with them.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Youre confusing the NHTSA with the IIHS, whose policy is as you describe:

    "NHTSA only tests the cheapest model, hence no side curtains on the one tested. They will re-test only if the manufacturer donates the car, Mazda must have chosen not to."

    NHTSA has little rhyme or reason as to which trim lines they test.

    ~alpha
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oops, my bad. Maybe they just test whatever they can get a hold of?

    Back to Kia, making them standard was smart. In the past crash tests haven't been a strength, not they might just be an advantage.

    -juice
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,058
    Forenza? That is the Daewoo Lacetti badged to be a Suzuki Forenza, selling for around $12,500 pretty well equipped, and it is also the car Daewoo designed mostly with new gear to replace thier Nubira model. Is it poor gas mileage you don't like, cheap interior, or what? I may have read your report on it before but I can't remember your reasoning on it. Did you see it at an auto show somewhere recently? Looks-wise it seems fine to me but I haven't gone to any specific threads to read about what people are digging or complaining about Forenza on.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    That's what this board seems to be turning into lately... and we actually have a "Low-End Sedans" board to compare all these cars!

    I think the 3 is an excellent small car, especially in 3s guise. But when a person could spend $4000 less compared to the 3i sedan and get a sedan or hatchback with power everything, moonroof, ABS/traction, leather, Kenwood MP3 stereo, alloys w/Michelins, SABs, a great balance of ride and handling, the best seat adjuster in the industry (per C/D), proven "above average" reliability (per CR), and a longer warranty to boot, with only 10 horses less than the 3, I think that's a compelling bargain. As for IIHS ratings, we'll have to wait until they release the scores for the 3 and for the '04 Elantra--I suspect they'll do that at the same time, since they usually release test results of like-class cars together.

    I just got back from an out of town trip where Hertz gave me a Corolla. I could not wait to get out of that car! The seating position is terrible, the HVAC knobs feel cheap, and the ride, though smooth, is too bouncy for my taste. And I missed the little niceties like map lights, sunglasses holder, and a softly padded center arm rest. Compared to the new Spectra, the Spectra is the better car overall IMO. The ride is better, the interior styling a little bolder (same boring color palette as the Corolla though), brakes far superior (4-wheel discs vs. the groaning of the Corolla's brakes), standard side curtains, peppier engine, and more room inside. Much better driving position too (although not as good as the Elantra's). A better looking car also, IMO--more flair than the Corolla's "don't offend anyone" lines. Once Kia gets their quality reputation up a notch, Toyota should be worried. They already have Hyundai breathing down their necks on quality and reliability, now Kia is starting to make some fine cars.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    ive posted a response to recent comments in the board which you correctly recognize should contain this discussion.

    ~alpha
  • jimjpsjimjps Posts: 146
    I think we have to wait until someone drives a new Spectra5. I drove the Mazda3 Hatch and it is very good indeed, probably even the current benchmark, but not perfect. The gearing is one problem, revving too fast on the highway, and the styling is a personal thing, I think it will not look that good in a few years, and why didn't they give it traction control like the Spectra5 and you have to really pay if you want SAC. It may very well be in another league but I am going to wait and drive the Spectra5.
  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Posts: 435
    The Elantra had some changes and did better in the NHTSA tests for 2004. It got 5 stars for the frontal. The Mazda 3 got 4 stars which is disappointing because Volvo supposedly helped out with design and with all the technology that is available today, the HIC numbers should have been as low as Honda and Toyota's numbers.
    Anyway...the 3 is a great car to drive... but after the initial excitement is over you will realize it is not perfect. The drivers bottom cushion has no angle adjustment and when you raise the seat, it sort of feels like it's tipping you forward. The tires will cost you an arm to replace and the 3 is not available with normal wheels/tires unless you get the base model i sedan. According to the maintenance forum, people are having not-so-minor problems already.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    Actually the '04 Elantra got the same NHTSA scores in terms of stars that it got for the '01 model.

    As for the 3's seat height adjuster, for one thing it is optional on the 3i. The other thing is that Kia made a big mistake IMO and did the same thing with the new Spectra that Mazda did with the 3--went with a single-lever seat height adjuster instead of the dual-knob arrangement that they used on the previous models (the Protege for Mazda). Why they went with an inferior design on these new models, which has the drawback you mentioned, is beyond me--unless it's a cost-cutting move. But if Hyundai/Kia can afford to use the dual-knob adjuster on inexpensive cars like the Accent and Rio, I can't see where cost would be much of an issue. The 3's driving position is tolerable for me, but the new Spectra's is not--which is too bad for me because otherwise it's a fine small car.
  • psrockpsrock Posts: 2
    Actually yugoboy, it's noy propaganda. I sold Kias for 2 years and I can tell you they have a long way to go. Are they on the right track track?? Absolutely; light years ahead of most domestic competition already. Initial quality is definitely on par with Japanese brands. Long term is awful right now. Vans start to thunder over small bumps,and the whole Van rattles after around 20,000 miles.
    Rios and Spectras depreciate like a bat out of hell. Sorentos get God Awful gas mileage, and have a serious problem shifting into 4x4 on a slope. Better than some, yes. Better than Toyota or Honda??? Not even in the same league
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,041
    Correct, correct... it's difficult to discuss an upcoming vehicle when there's not a bunch of new info coming out, but let's do try and stay focuse on the new Kias rather than delving into comparisons. Thanks for the helpful info, backy.

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  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Posts: 435
    Backy... I just looked at the Kia website and the features for the new spectra do say "8 way adjustable seat."
    http://www.kiaspectra.com/site.html

    Also I looked again at the NHTSA site and compared the 2001 Elantra with the 2004. The 2001 had a driver's side HIC of about 482 and the 2004 was about 308 bringing the rating up from 4 stars to 5.
    http://www.nhtsa.com/NCAP/Cars/1694.html
    http://www.nhtsa.com/NCAP/Cars/2814.html

    We still need to see if IIHS will test the 2004, because their test is more realistic.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    On the Elantra's crash tests, we were both wrong. Both the 2001 and 2004 models got two five-star ratings and two four-star ratings; that is why I said they had the same ratings. But I didn't look carefully enough. The 2001 car got four stars on the driver's side and five stars on the passenger side. The 2004 got five stars on the driver's side but four stars on the passenger side. I think that's curious since there were no obvious deign changes on the passenger side to account for it.

    As for the "8-way" adjustable seat, let's do some counting:

    1. Seat slides fore and aft.
    2. Seatback reclines.
    3. Seat cushion height adjusts in a single arc, using a single control.
    4. Lumbar support adjusts.
    5. Headrest adjusts up and down.

    I'm not sure how they get 8. In fact, I'm not sure how Hyundai gets 8 even though they have an additional adjustment (total of 6). Maybe they both count "fore and aft" or "up and down" separately? ;-)

    I happened to check some of Kia's comparison data to other cars on the Spectra site, and based on the inaccuracies there (e.g. Elantra does not have an audio system standard, Mazda3s does not have power locks or mirrors standard) I don't know how much I can trust their other data.
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