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Scion tC
libertycat
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This will be a convertible. Does anyone know about this upcoming model?
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I bought a used Miata and would have at least considered something like this were it available at the time.
It has to be light, though, that's the key to the current Scions. The engine has little torque. Convertibles add weight, so that's a bad combination.
And puh-lease kill the dorky center-mounted speedo. They should be above the steering wheel. People rejected the Echo for this reason (and others).
-juice
One problem is it may not have Scion-like pricing. In the UK the pricing ranges from £14,200 to £21,700. This is definetly not in the same price range as the Scion xA or xB. Either way I find it appealing and hope they bring it over.
What does everyone think?
Here is a review from 4car that will give you some info on what the Avensis is about. It's available in sedan, hatchback, and wagon variations. This will appeal to a broad range of people, but again seems to not really appeal to the youth crowd in my opinion.
http://www.channel4.com/apps26/4car/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=231_2&re- viewid=779
Nothing is confirmed yet though, so this car may not be coming. The project leader is an audio buff so the Avensis has a very good stereo already in place, so that covers the prerequisite good stereo that all Scions are suppose to have.
Yeah I thought about that, it could definetly steal sales from the Camry. One way around that though is to not offer the 2.4 engine. The next engine is the 2.0 which has 145 hp or something like that. It only weighs around 2800-2900 pounds though so it'll be close to the Camry in speed even though it has less HP because of the less weight.
Still a lot of Americans buy HP and even though I haven't compared the exterior dimensions, the Avensis is probably smaller on the outside as well. This may be reason enough to have a lot of people still want the Camry. Also by the time it comes out (and hopefully it will) the Camry redesign will be a year or two away, so after the Avensis is on the market for a year or so the new Camry will be close to coming out.
If they play their cards right they can keep it from hurting Camry sales too much. To me though the Avensis seems to be a better overall car than the Camry.
Camry buyers' median age has crept up there, I'm just not sure how this would attract younger buyers, besides lower price?
-juice
The car will be named "tC" and not xC.
It will indeed be a 2-door coupe. Some say it will sort of look like the civic coupe, others say like the solara or celica. Basically I can't find any consistent info about it's looks. Word is though it will NOT look like the ccX concept.
Platform? Can't find any info but a double wishbone suspension is being thrown around. The Avensis platform has struts in front and double wishbone in back so maybe this is what Motor Trend was talking about.
Optional turbocharger/supercharger from the factory.
Engine will be either 2.4 in Camry or 1.8 in Celica.
Will have a glass roof. One of those panoramic sunroof type things. Didn't the ccX concept have this? Most info says it will have this but at the same time will not look like the ccX concept.
Price will come in barely under $18,000. I believe this is Scion's top limit on pricing. The car will have a lot of standard equipment and come in under $18,000.
Will be officially shown in January at the Detroit Auto Show. Will be out April-June 2004. Word has it the Scion brand will not be released to the rest of the country until this time or possibly as late as July or so. It looks like everything is planning to happen in the middle of next year though.
17" alloys standard
6-speed manual or auto
Personally I think the glass roof thing is a big mistake. That must add on significantly to the price and some people simply won't care about having one. It should be an option and not standard. All the info I read from people who were there at the unveiling or heard something from someone (I know, take all this with a grain of salt) said something about the glass roof being on it.
I think under $18,000 with a lot of standard equipment is a good price, but the glass roof must add at least $1,000 to the price. Again that would be a big mistake in my opinion. It needs to be an option, not standard.
Bottomline is though the Scion tC has been shown to a significant number of people so I think at least some of this info is accurate.
So what's this mean for the Celica? What was a Corolla Levin?
It would be better to cheapen the base price and make it optional, that way people who simply don't want it or want to save some extra money can get one without it.
~alpha
If it does get a glass roof, it had better have good A/C!
-juice
~alpha
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Allion/index.h- tml
The two back ends are very similar.
-juice
I think it would be odd to add yet another hatchback to the lineup when the xA is already there. Young people like traditional coupes as well, so why not have a coupe in the lineup instead of some funky looking hatchback with a glass roof? You also have the Celica and Matrix as well. How many more of these cars do you need?
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