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Sliding doors rattle, scraped paint off the outside of the vehicle due to poor alignment and the thing rattles constantly. Car doesn't even have 10,000 miles on it and it is apparently junk. I gave my car back to the dealer and bought another car until I get this settled. Will NEVER buy Nissan again. I pity the 2 dealers I have worked with. They have been ever so helpful but cannot fix a misdesigned unit.
What are the specific problems that you would recommend we look for when test driving this car? I don't mind a few minor rattles and things but I'd rather not get the transmission replaced!
Thanks!
5by5
I don't know that you could pick up all the problems with a simple test drive. But issues to look for include:
AC not working well
Transmission
Leaking skyroof
Rattles
Electrical problems
Brake shudder (under load, especially downhill)
I may have missed a few issues, but I think these are the major ones.
True, it does come with a 5 yr 60,000 mile warranty. If you have time to deal with your local Nissan Service (potentially a lot) it may be worthwhile.
Good luck!
tom
What are the specific problems that you would recommend we look for when test driving this car? I don't mind a few minor rattles and things but I'd rather not get the transmission replaced!
Thanks!
5by5
I've considered the "why are they selling issue" which is why I want to be very careful when looking over the car. On the other hand, after years of car buying I know people sell nearly new vehicles at a loss for a variety of reasons. Some people just don't make well thought out financial decisions.
Thanks again!
5by5
Based on the "problems" discussion, which I consider more helpful, I'd be pretty reluctant to buy used unless I was getting a -great- price (which heals all wounds) I suspect resale on the 04s is going to take a hit because of the issues with the van, and you should get the benefit of that. Also make sure, if you go ahead, that the issue of the warranty extension is documented for the vehicle so that you get the benefit of that.
THE BAD:
* Rattles EVERYWHERE: passenger sliding door, back gate, overhead console (at rear), rear bench seat (clunks). We took it in for service back in May. The doors still rattle and the solution for the clunking rear seat was to wrap the lock bolts with electrical tape. How ghetto is that? The tape wore off in a couple weeks and the clunking was back so we usually drive around with the bench seat folded down. We received the service notice and will take it in Oct 4. They will have it for a week and will provide a loaner.
* Poor gas mileage: roughly 15 city, 19 highway
* Hot air from vents: I actually didn't notice this right away because it's been hot and we have always had the AC on. Now that the temps are neutral, we notice the constant hot air with the system off.
THE GOOD:
* No engine or braking problems. The 5sp tranni in the SE works great, although I wish they had a manual gear selection mode.
* No leaks in the sunroof or skylights.
* No malfunctions in the automatic doors.
* No paint blemishes
* Tons of room for cargo with the bench and middle seats down. I can fit (just barely) 4'x8' sheets of plywood/drywall in the back with the gate closed.
Jason
Is 35 too much or is that what you are also using? I hardly do any highway tavel, or have not done any after the PSI increase so I don't know what the mileage would be in highway.
The only concern I have is that sometimes when it gets hot, and I'm talking about high 80's, the PSI rises up to 38 PSI.
People with these Hybrid cars are running pressures in the mid 40s to increase their fuel economy- it may affect tire wear at these much higher pressures though.
My father accidently inflated his tires to 85psi cold once! And they still didn't blow out, so as long as you don't have Firestones most tires have a large safety factor built into them. ;-)
tom
Thanks, Tara
Here's the time line.
1. May 1 2004 -- Bought Quest.
2. June 2004 -- Quest has been at two different dealerships and worked with 1800Nissan to resolve A/C problem.
3. July 6th 2004 -- Filed BBB autoline complaint and accepted our case.
4. Aug 4th 2004 -- Arbitration hearing.
5. Aug 12th 2004 -- Arbitrator found vehicle not suitable for a hot climate like Arizona, especially having 6 month old twins, and awarded repurchase of the vehicle. However, maximum awarded is the actual purchase price minus usage, taxes, license, and other misc. fees.
6. Aug 26th 2004 -- Declined the arbitration decision to pursue the lemon law to also get the "full" amount back minus usage. Went to speak with an attorney about my case.
7. Sept 3rd -- Without using my attorney Nissan called me back and wanted to settle. I've requested everything back except the usage and license. License I'm getting back from the DMV and usage at 1900 miles was $403. I also got back my finance charges.
8. Sept 25th -- Returned my Quest back to Nissan and picked up my check.
The quest was a "very-good" mini-van except in my case the A/C. The whole arbitration process was long and somewhat time consuming. No more first model years for me. I'm sorry to hear that Tara and Sam did not win their cases. Good luck to all.
I would like to find out how did your arbitration worked out. I am in a similar situation and going to file for arbitration. Any guidance as to what and how-to-do would be of great help. Thanks.
First - any idea why Nissan calls the repairs in the "Cust Satis. Initiative" upgrades? I pressed the dealership on the phone, indicating that I consider these repairs rather than upgrades (one of the reading lights is failed short, please "upgrade" to the model without the short..?) but she insists Nissan considers the work upgrades. A bit insulting. Any reason Nissan wants to categorize this work as "free upgrade"? Seems sneaky...
Next: I suffer from several of the problems discussed at length on this forum - floor level AC blows HOT air, doors rattle. I also have a few other problems that I have not read about (I did not read all the postings...).
- the liftgate rises too fast sometimes. Seems to be worse in cold weather.
- finish on the centre console is peeling off. IMHO that finish is garbage, not even close to being suitable for automotive interior.
- fan and reading light inserts fall out of ceiling, on their own. They can be pushed back in, but they are not very tight..
- during diagnosis of the failed short reading light, I removed the plastic covers of the drivers reading lights. Sadly, removing as instructed in the Users Manual caused the little plastic clips to deform and almost snap off. I figure I have 1 or 2 more removals before the cover is garbage (here's hoping the bulb doesn't burn out while I own the van!)
- second row seatbelts do NOT work as they should. Although the Users Manual shows using the van's seatbelt to secure a child seat, the restricted angle of the seatbelt receptacle makes securing a front-facing child seat impossible. My dealer said I "had" to get a LATCH compatible seat, which I did, although I have a perfectly acceptable non-LATCH seat. Works fine with a LATCH seat, but that design mistake costs me $$.
Has anyone else seen these problems? Comments appreciated.
I'm holding out hope that the AC fix (service bulletin 04020) fixes the hot air problem. While I can maybe live with the other annoyances, this problem makes long trips almost unbearable. I read the postings regarding arbitration with interest..
BTW, my Nissan was bought in Sept 2003, it was a dealer demo, probably on the road in July or August 2003.
Thanks,
Richard.
Other than that the ride was quite enjoyable. Look forward to getting one (hopefully invoice price on new 2005 S) but disappointed in the carseat situation nonetheless. You would think some engineer would test an older car seat in the thing.
The compatibility info is linked from that page.
BUT: it is not helpful. Quote: "When available, the LATCH ... System was used for installation in the rear seating locations.". But the Users Manual depicts installation of non-LATCH seats in those locations. My (previous) seat (Cosco Touriva, pre-LATCH) cannot possibly be safely installed in the second row because of the seatbelt receptacle design - yes, that seat is shown as "compatible". And what I read from the Nissan Fit Guide is that Nissan did not even attempt to fit non-LATCH seats if the current model seat is available with LATCH. Maybe it is not unreasonable to expect all parents to upgrade to LATCH seats (they are clearly better), but this isn't what is shown in the documentation.
Quite frankly, I consider the design of the 2nd row receptacle to be in error; clearly, the steps outlined in the documentation (installation of non-LATCH seats) were not verified or even backed up in the Fit Guide (only LATCH seats tested). Nissan: please update your documentation or change the seatbelt receptacle!
Richard.
If you leave the system in 'auto' mode, or vent mode and adjust the temp down you will be OK. On cool mornings we can leave it off and are comfortable. On warmer days, we have to have the vent on, temp set to 60, and fan on lowest setting to prevent any perceptable heat.
Mark
2004 Quest SE
6000 miles and still loving it
I agree, if you have a standard 5 point carseat, they are hard to secure. They must match the contours of the seat and require excessive force to make them tight in the seat. They will work, but, not easily. When we purchased our Quest, I donated our old 5 point carseat and purchased a new LATCH carseat for my youngest.
If you have a toddler, over 30lbs, he/she can ride in a booster seat using the standard seatbelt. http://www.nhtsa.gov
Today, however, my wife called just ticked-off that the van stopped at an intersection, would not accelerate, although the engine was still running, and the check-engine light came on. I suspect TRAN, but who knows. Now I read the problems of others and I wonder if buying the Quest was a huge mistake. I had to literally YELL at the dealer to get them to send me a rental car at their expense to handle my wife and 2 small daughters who were going to be stranded while they figured this problem out. Van is less than 4 months, old, 3800 miles, and should NOT be showing any problems of this sort. I just spent 6 terrible years driving a Plymouth voyager that we bought new, and I was determined to never buy American again, but now I wonder if Nissan was an equally bad choice.
Should have bought a Honda... my brother loves his.
I will post more as this fiasco plays out. Anyone else have problems of this exact nature?
I have a forward facing carseat that is LATCH compatible, but I dont use it (the LATCH system). I have a "First Years" clip type attachment that goes on the seatbelt by the seat and it secures VERY TIGHTLY the carseat in place. My previous car was not latch compatible so that is why I have this device. It was not expensive at all and extremely effective. I understand that the carseat manufacturers will all eventually use this system, so you can either replace the carseat or use one of these adapter type devices. I am very happy with mine and have no problem at all. Actually I think they are much more secure than any LATCH system I have seen. I will try to find out it's actual name and post either a link or what it is called. Hope that helps. Even though I understand that a vehicle manufactured for families should not have this flaw, I think that Nissan was looking into the future when the LATCH system would be pretty much universal.
By the way, to the "Quest 04 just stopped" post, what is your gas mileage?
I have always thought the poor gas mileage is related to this transmission problem.
Tara
Anyway... they are fixing it and hopefully that is the last of it.
But, my mileage has been in the 17 to 19 range all the time, which I have considered low, but in reading this board today, I am going to bump up my tire pressure and see if that might help. Pressure been around 31 to 34 most of the time.
Still, a bad fuel injector might cause mileage issues as well.
I think my S has a different HVAC system than your SE, since I don't have the ability to set particular temperatures (is that 'auto' mode?).
Richard.
Perhaps you've already seen this (it was talked about earlier in this same thread), but just in case: there is a service bulletin related to (non)-starts after "cold soak". It is number 04021, you can see it (and other bulletins) at this link: http://www.nissanhelp.com/Bulletins/Quest/2004/3.htm
Seems unlikey that your dealer would not be aware of this bulletin, but it's probably worth a question. Also, I'm not sure if yours qualifies as a "cold soak", in fact I'm not really sure what they mean by that. How cold? For how long?
BTW, on the first really cold morning my quest experienced (~ -15 C), it did not start on the first crank. It started on the second crank, and was not a problem again...
Richard.
They ordered the part and were about to install it when Nissan called him and told him NOT to install it.
Apparently this valve part has been replaced in many units and it has NOT solved the problem. So, I am back to square one with Nissan engineers STILL trying to solve this known problem.
Strangely, we have not had the problem for weeks now -BUT the H2S odor still crops up from time-to-time.
Anyone else had this odor problem.
goes into a little more background about the warranty extension - also mentions you can get a full refund on any extended warranty purchased.
i bought my quest in 8/03 and have 14k miles on it...1 transmission replaced completely and the rest of the issues mentioned on this board...haven't gone in for the "free upgrade" yet
funny, i didn't really notice the h2s smell until i read about on this board.
i have the 7yr/100k extended warranty...part of me says that i should get the full refund b/c i can't see myself owning this more than 5 yrs...but then again, my wife loves the van so much regardless of the problems...sigh
never to buy a first-year run again...i really wanted the new mazda3 but will wait until next year for those kinks to get ironed out.
overall..i think i've gotten used to all the little issues with the quest and have basically just gotten tired of going to the dealer (which is why i am in no rush to get the customer satisfaction upgrade done...actually afraid it might make things worse than the usual stuff i am used to dealing with currently in the van)
then a few days later i saw the postings on this board (timely)...sigh...yet another issue.
guess i have to the get the latch conversion kit for my car seat
i have this happen to me periodically (not as often during warm months but quite often last winter) and the way to get around it is to just move up/down the interior light dimmer (i don't know the technical name of it) - it's the "rolling thing" next to the interior light on/off switch...when i just moved that the hvac lights came on...so it probably is a loose connection thing but of course the dealer can never reproduce it.
Thanks,
Dan
Yeah, the light issue is strange. It's not even all the HVAC lights, and it's not consistent. Thanks for the tip on the dimmer- I'll try it next time.
I had the dealer order the parts for the customer initiative, but now that my van is rattle free I'm hesitant to let them do anything. Oh well, no risk, no reward. ;-)
I'll report back when it's done in a week or two.
tom
The Airbag light came on / stayed on. We had not even left the dealership. They had it for 1 more hour and said that was just the system re-initializing itself, not to worry. I would have worried less had they actually had it re-init for them first. Two weeks and no repeat light.
Got rid of the third seat rattle while we were there.
No more rattles for two week (yea)!
This last initiative brings us to 22 days in shop since 1/04. I have given this to my lemon law lawyer and see what we can do. NJ only allows up to 20-days without a buy-back. We shall see what we shall see...
Has anyone had problem with people stealing the silver valve caps for the tires? I have now had mine stolen 1 1/2 times. First they stole all four. The they stole two of them, with the third most of the way off.
They only cost about $2.00, it is just a d**n annoyance.
I'm curious if anyone else has had problems with the windshield. My wife was removing the windshield sun shades and the rearview mirror fell off. Not only did it fall off but a CHUNK of the windshield came out with it. The dealership replaced the windshield.
Now, as I was driving it...a tiny little rock (I guess...it honestly didn't sound like anything hit the windshield) hit the windshield and immediately a 12" crack formed. We get windshield replacements for no cost through our insurance so that's not the issue...it just seems like the windshield (along with the rest of the vehicle) is cheap/defective.
Otherwise, my biggest issues were the cold door not closing (recall fixed it) and a rear hatch leak which also appears fixed, so I am happy with this September 2003 built SE.
When I went to pick up my car at 5pm, the sliding door and rear hatch would not open/close automatically anymore. The service advisor came out and took a look and felt very embarrassed as all his mechanic has gone home already. I will have to take it back tomorrow morning and get them to look at it.
Another thing, is the fix they had for the rattle on the 3rd row was to wrap the latch with foam tape to dampen the vibration. A chunk already fell off. The vibration is gone but I wonder how long it would last? For those who have had this problem fixed also, can you fold down your seat and see if they also taped up the U-shape latch on the side of the car?
KP
Nay
Someone that knows more about this than I, help me out. I can accept that perhaps a mfg. defect or install problem might cause a single bad injector. But 2? What would cause injectors to go bad so fast? And since this does not seem to be a common problem on this board, I wonder if a larger problem is lurking...
Help!